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Is the Democrat Party in America dying?

 
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WallaceNails
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:39 pm    Post subject: Is the Democrat Party in America dying? Reply with quote

This past election cycle the Democrat party and their supporters (Like George Soros and Moveon.org) spent millions and millions of dollars to beat President Bush. We had movies (like F-911) Hollywood stars and rock concerts to get out the vote against Bush. The M-TV “rock the vote” and the “Bush is going to set up a draft” rhetoric in full swing. Tons and tons of media support, PR support, money, time and effort to defeat Bush and NONE of it made a difference. NONE. Kerry ended up with less Electoral College votes than Gore had in 2000 and Kerry lost the popular vote by 3.5 million. You have to ask yourself, “WHY?” How could this possibly have happened? You then have to ask the question:

Is the Democrat Party in America dying?

This past election the Bush/Republican victory was substantial. The GOP stronghold in the White House, House of Representatives and Senate was strengthened like never before in modern times. Bush will have the votes in the Senate to confirm 3-4 Supreme Court Justices over the next 4 years. Yes, Kerry received over 52 million votes. But, how many of those votes were FOR him rather than AGAINST Bush? (due to the vast anti-Bush PR campaign) Why did the Democrats lose so many House and Senate seats? Why have they lost so much power in State Governments? (Governorships, State Level legislative bodies and judgeships)

The Democrat Party has seen its power fade ever since the election of 1994 when the Republicans won the House and Senate with their “Contract for America”. They have really taken some hits in the last election cycles of 2000, 2002 and now 2004. The Democrats lost Five of the last Seven presidential elections including 4 to a Republican that earned a majority of the vote. Who was the last Democrat candidate to get better than 50% of the popular vote? (LBJ if I'm not mistaken—maybe Carter?) That it was LBJ isn't a coincidence, IMO. That was at a time when the Democrats literally dominated Washington with nearly 2/3 of the Congress. What do those numbers look like today?

Today the Democrats seem to be made up of vastly different political groups that have banded together to form a party rather than people that actually share similar beliefs. The Environmentalists, Gays, Pro-Abortion, Unions, Trial Lawyers, Blacks, Illegal Immigrants, Hollywood stars, Liberal Press, Anti-Religion, and Anti-War people are all separate groups with different belief systems that make up the majority of the Democrat Party. You also get the senior citizens that have been Democrats since FDR and don’t know that their party has left them behind. (They will vote Democrat until they die) The only common ground all these groups might have is a hatred for the Republican Party. A Democrat politician these days has to appease so many different fringe groups that it’s almost impossible to “energize” a base of voters because they really are not a “base”. A national candidate has to be careful not to make one group in the Democrat party mad while he/she appeases another group.

The Democrats need to realize that their far left support of issues may appease the Michael Moore element of the party, but it just doesn't wash with mainstream Americans (as the 2004 election proved.) The Democrats seem to be drifting further and further to the left. Becoming shriller and fringe isn’t the answer and isn’t working. Abandoning the likes of Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller for Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy aren't going to get the “fly over” states to vote for the Dem candidate. Until the Democrats can unify together and come up with a true base and a true platform that appeals to a majority of Americans (besides the “Anything but republican” rhetoric), then they will continue to lose elections and their power will continue to diminish.

Does the Democrat party have the ability to make that happen?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See http://www.stentorian.com/politics/ for Blue Dog versus Yellow Dog Democrats.

The basic problem is that the Democratic Party has been hijacked by left-wingers from Massachussets and their fellow travelers (Soros, Sharpton, and Moore). And the working guy with the NRA member card next to his union card isn't going to vote automatically for the Democrat.

It is really time for conservative and moderate Democrats to break with the rest of the party and form their own party. If Zell Miller had stepped forward and run for the Presidency instead of backing Bush, he would probably have captured all conservative Democrat and many moderate Democrat votes, along with a lot of Republican votes. That would have given him the election or at least thrown the election into the House of Representatives. In the latter case, Miller might have gotten a good part of the South along with the centrist Democrat Midwest. Kerry would have won the left-wing sewers of New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and of course DC but probably not much else. (Well, maybe the Left Coast and Illinois, which is being hijacked by leftists.)

But there is a good chance that Miller could have captured the White House and redefined American politics.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many people such as Ronald Reagan and Jean Kirkpatrick have said something like "I didn't leave the Democratic party,they left me." .
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Liberal wing of the Democrat party is dying, not the Democrat party. Liberalism and Conservatism will swing back and fourth between parties with compromise bringing moderates to form coalitions that unite factions giving rise to candidates like Clinton and even W originally.

I think that the democrats will sniff out the polical air and reinvent themselves into a new age liberalism that is in disguise moderate but centered on liberal ideals. Bigger government but friendlier to the right, Pro-Defense & National Security but more appeasing to the left wingers (total smoke screen on this one), Health Care scam some how, Social Security scare tactics & National Debt scare tactics, Education, etc. They will bring in churches, blacks, hispanics, women, etc. somehow, someway with a spinoff moderate agenda but it will be liberal at its core (I am generalizing here because they still have to invent it I am predicting at this time).

My point is that Liberalism is dying, but will be reinvented. Keep having to say this. We have to keep killing it like polio and remove it from the earth. The plague is even trying to make a comback I hear, that's how dangerous I think liberalism is, it's communisms little cousin. Kind of like Androstendione...the precurser to Testosterone.

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