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[muggedliberal]

Aides Say He Wants to Act as Counter to Bush, and Possibly Run in 2008

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 9, 2004; Page A02

Democrat John F. Kerry plans to use his Senate seat and long lists of supporters to remain a major voice in American politics despite losing the presidential race last Tuesday, and he is assessing the feasibility of trying again in 2008, friends and aides said yesterday.

Kerry will attend a post-election lame-duck Senate session that begins next week and has said he is "fired up" to play a highly visible role, the friends and aides said.

Aides said Kerry is relishing the prospect of renewed combat with President Bush, fighting such measures as the president's proposal to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. Kerry has spent the better part of the past two years on the campaign trail, meaning that his return to Capitol Hill will be something of a reintroduction to colleagues.

Kerry's plans contrast starkly with the approach taken by former vice president Al Gore, who all but disappeared from the political scene after losing to Bush in the disputed 2000 presidential election.

Kerry fueled talk about a 2008 bid during remarks at a Washington restaurant Saturday night. He provoke a thunderous reception by reminding about 400 campaign aides and volunteers that Ronald Reagan twice sought the Republican nomination for president before winning it in 1980.

"Sometimes God tests you," Kerry told the crowd at H20, a restaurant on the Potomac waterfront, according to an aide. "I'm a fighter, and I've come back before."

Bob Shrum, Kerry's chief campaign consultant, told reporters during a Democratic panel yesterday that Kerry "will not do what Al Gore did after the last election -- he will not disappear."

"He will be active and vocal," Shrum said. "He has one of the most powerful lists in the Democratic Party and one of the most powerful fundraising bases in the Democratic Party, and I think he intends to use it to speak out."

Several Democrats expressed skepticism about Kerry's plans, saying they believe the party needs a fresh face and must turn a corner. One well-known Democratic operative who worked with the Kerry campaign said opposition to Bush, not excitement about Kerry, was behind the senator's fundraising success. "If he thinks he's going to capitalize on that going forward, he's in for a surprise," said the operative, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Another Democrat involved in Kerry's campaign strategy -- who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, in order to be more candid -- said: "I can't imagine people are going to say, 'It worked pretty well last time. This is what we need next time.' "

Kerry has mostly remained at his Boston home since Election Day and has spent some of that time preparing for his return to the Senate. The friends and aides said he wants to use his new following and credibility to become a major force on legislation that will extend well beyond his previous portfolio of national security issues.

The senator from Massachusetts is also contemplating establishing a political action committee and perhaps a think tank to elevate his role during the jockeying over the definition and leadership of the Democratic Party. Kerry lost to Bush by three percentage points in the popular vote and by 34 electoral votes. The president carried 31 states to 19 for Kerry.

Shrum made his remarks in an appearance at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with James Carville, chief strategist of President Bill Clinton's first campaign, and Stan Greenberg, a Democratic pollster. The session started out as a clinical dissection of what went right for Bush and wrong for Kerry.

But it quickly became a blunt, emotional discussion of the future of the Democratic Party -- a high-decibel preview of countless conversations that will occur as Democrats try to figure out how to retake the White House after winning only twice in the past seven elections.

"I'm not in denial. Reality hit me," Carville said. "We need to be born again," he added, in a play on words connoting both his view that the party needs a fundamental change, as well as the importance of evangelical Christians to Bush.

"We have to treat the disease, not the symptom," Carville said. "The purpose of a political party is to win elections, and we're not doing that."

Carville said that the party's concern about interest groups had resulted in "litanies, not a narrative."

"The party needs a narrative," he said. Carville added later that one possibility would to become "an aggressively reform, anti-Washington, anti-business-as-usual party."

Greenberg said that big forces had been at work in the election, meaning that mere tinkering was not the answer for Democrats. He said Bush had cleverly freed himself from the normal standards by which an incumbent is judged.

"In being successful in making the election about security-safety and values," Greenberg said, "they don't say, 'Vote for us because we're making progress.' They say, 'Vote for our worldview.' " Greenberg said that "downscale America, starting with rural voters and cascading with older, blue-collar America, shifted to Bush" in the last 10 days, including some union voters.

Shrum said of the campaign's decision to emphasize a final-week revelation about missing explosives in Iraq: "There's wasn't disagreement inside the campaign about that, so if it was a mistake, it was a mistake that we all share responsibility for."

Shrum acknowledged that he had not seen the problems at the time, saying that he believed on Election Day and the night before that Kerry would win. "All the polls appeared to be moving in the right direction," Shrum said. "We thought, 'We're ahead in the battleground states, we'll win in the battleground states.' " Also yesterday, the Associated Press quoted a party veteran as saying that Howard Dean, who lost the nomination fight to Kerry, is considering a bid to become chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

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Hype you reckon... or is he really that stupid?

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[wwIIvetsdaughter]

LOLOLOLOL If SKerry had been "fired up" FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS AS A SENATOR maybe he'd of accomplished something tangible by now!

[GenrXr]

The media will have more then egg on its collective head once the truth about Kerry's discharge and Paris luncheons comes to light. Make no mistake Billy Bob and his red neck wife Hillary will make sure it happens before 08'.
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[cipher]

This really needs to be nipped in the bud.

Until and unless he signs an SF-180, he needs to be hammered on his missing military records at EVERY opportunity.

I'm amused by the concept of him going "back to work" at the Senate. With his 20 year record as a guideline, I don't see him doing much until mid 2006.
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[GenrXr]

[eXcel]

Whenever I hear "lame duck" and "Kerry" in the same article / conversation / whatever, I always think of that phony goose hunt.

http://www.fivehundredwords.com/multimedia/index.htm

soooo soo funny

[one more captins mast]

If we can get "bald marvil" in a four year fight with the "liar king" and

with the "clinkstons" and the mud/in/your/eye ones not knowing how

and which side to lie for.

here is a chance to split them..... split them

one under the clinkstons and one with "spleem" deen in a to small

groupe with "scary kerry" , and the msm , in the middle.



somehow, it should take us 4 years of water drip, drip, drip, to get him

and do it say at the worst time for all of them.
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[BuffaloJack]

muggedliberal,
how about a link to the article?
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[kman]

[Mooncusser]

So much for his concession speech.

Excerpts:


Earlier today, I spoke to President Bush, and I offered him and Laura our congratulations on their victory. We had a good conversation and we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need – the desperate need – for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together. Today, I hope that we can begin the healing.



We are required now to work together for the good of our country. In the days ahead, we must find common cause. We must join in common effort without remorse or recrimination, without anger or rancor. America is in need of unity and longing for a larger measure of compassion.


INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY, AND INTEGRITY.
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I actually won the election before I lost it.

"It is a good day to fight! It is a good day to die! Strong hearts, brave hearts to the front! Weak hearts and cowards to the rear!" (Crazy Horse)

[JROTC]

One of my first thoughts while reading that piece is how it highlighted one of the major disadvantages President Bush had in this election -

in addition to campaigning, he had a job to do!
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[Anker-Klanker]

There's a silver lining on every cloud, they say. As long as he insists on staying in the public limelight he remains a good target for anyone wanting to investigate and expose his past. (It's when he goes incognito that it becomes hard to bring him to accountability.)

[Hammer2]

Kerry dosen't yet realize the long knives are out for him in his own party. Look for the dominant media culture to finish him off, now that he is useless to them.
Hillary will not tolerate any pretenders to her throne!
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[army72]

The 180 will be a thorn in the side of this senator as long as people keep demanding it. If he plans to continue his assault using his senate seat, the resulsts are laughable before he begins. Exactly what did the first 20 years accomplish? Even the fine people in New England should start seeing that the Kennedy and Kerry clans have done nothing but line their own pockets at their expense. I can't see his support continuing even in Mass now. They'll make room for the Hill-Billy tandem coming. Kerry is already a has-been. He has as much clout as (hehe) Gore.
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Hillary and Kerry in '08? Something smells!!

[muggedliberal]

[quote="BuffaloJack"]muggedliberal,
how about a link to the article?[/quote

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35224-2004Nov8.html

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