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[fortdixlover]

Veterans have focused on Kerry's stealing of their honor and reputations as defenders of America and of liberty.

Would it be unreasonable to suggest a much more widepread, damaging legacy of Kerry's 1970's propaganda and hissy fits in front of the U.S. Congress and media regarding his VVAW activities?

I submit that John Kerry played a major role in the severe damage inflicted upon our culture in the 1970's. He aided and abetted the respectability of utter contempt for authority, respectability of contempt for cultural norms of past centuries that predated the U.S., and respectability of "dictator worship" and "communism worship" by our youth. The effect became pervasive, and is promulgated in our schools and universities even today.

The cornucopia of benefits besides Stolen Honor? How about breakdown of the family, increased drug abuse and addiction, AIDS, and other social ills due to habits that became 'fashionable'?

Could Kerry could be rightly described as a person who promoted not just "Stolen Honor" but far worse, a Stolen Culture?

I think vets sense this, and that is why they despise him far more than their stolen reputations might account for.

-- FDL
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[neverforget]

Amen. He is an enemy of our country and culture. However, there were a number of the same types who began at Berkeley in early 60's and branched out much too quickly.
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[Barbie2004]

neverforget wrote:

[Beatrice1000]

[JimRobson]

Good topic.

The Berkley thing seems to have focused on the "Free Speech Movement" but I believe that there were sleeper cells of Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and Socialist Workers Party (SWP) that sprung in to action politicize the activities.

I believe that one of the prime movers in the swing to the left was Saul Alinsky. Here is a very brief summary of his organizing principles. He claimed to be non-socialist but I'm thinking that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It's a DUCK! His techniques were amazingly similar to those advocated by Leon Trotsky and embodied in the 60's by the Socialist Workers Party. That is to take existing popular movements and to politicize and radicalize the ordinary citizens who were active in each area. (Civil Rights, Womens Rights, Free Speech, Urban Renewal etc., and of course Anti-War. ) Based on FBI files and the Winter Soldier information it is proven that VVAW was taken over by SWP.
http://www.e911.com/exacts/EA051.html

[USAFE5]

Another great book is "Treason" by Ann Coulter.
She shows how the Communist party infiltrated our government in the 30' and how high up this went and how long it lasted.
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[Anker-Klanker]

Not to be planting grand conspiracy theories, BUT...

I believe I remember General Giap stating in his memoirs that the NVM Communists spent several times the amount of money on anti-war protestors in the US than they did in their own prosecution of the war. I've seen no amount mentioned, but this sum must have been HUGE. Does it look to you that the anti-war protests, Winter Soldiers, Kerry's testimony before the Senate, etc., consumed vast amounts of money? Do you think that maybe that money might have been invested in planting moles who would reemerge at some future propituous time?

I also believe the fact that the Rumanian(?) Colonel(?) who stated his agency was responsible for writing much of the anti-war propaganda for the VVAW and others is an indicator that the real organizer behind this whole effort was none other than the Soviet Union. Which is probably where the NVM Communist funding came from, as well.

Added: Then there's George Soros - Hungarian multi-millionaire (or billionaire?). Everybody knows he made big money in the international currency exchange market. But to make money in that market you have to have money to make money. Where did he get his "seed" money to start with. George Soros, from the not-so-distantly USSR-dominated country of Hungary.

Put it all together, and what do you get? Especially when all the old VVAW characters emerge just when the "most liberal" Senator seeks election as President - with the backing of the socialist elements of Europe? Yep, there are lots of very strange and unique things about this past election - things, events and coincidences we've not seen in any other election.

There may be a whole lot more to the story and the election that just occured than any of us imagine.

[I B Squidly]

Damn if that doesn't read like the sylabus for DNC101 at the Carville & McAuliff School of Public Mendacity.

[Me#1You#10]

I think, perhaps, this might well be one of the more intriguing and important topics I have yet to read that have arisen from post-election analysis in this forum. I certainly agree with what appears to be a consensus that understanding the nature of the "enemy within" is critical to combating the influence that they now historically bring to bear on any contemporary socio-political issue. It was the mechanism of employing this influence that, after all, led to the invention of John Kerry, VVAW champion.

The piece on Alinsky was almost scary in it's revelations yet, oddly enough, perhaps suggested a roadmap for countering the "counter-culture", a concept that should be almost irresistable to forum members looking to continue in the pro-active mode that the Swiftees employed. At first glance, I see elements already being employed by such groups as "Protest Warrior" and "Communists for Kerry".

Likewise the work of David Horowitz is an excellent primer and introduction to the "intellectual" underpinnings of the contemporary left. I have "The Anti Chomsky Reader" at the ready and "Unholy Alliance" will be ordered post-haste.

Excellent thread...compliments to all contributors.

[depotoo]

i, having grown up during that era have always felt it was a time of such turmoil that i have mostly bad memories of it - which is sad, as i was a teen and feel as though an important part of my life was stolen from me.
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[Beatrice1000]

[tiptie]

For the younger crowd (and others that were swayed by the MSM) this series is incredible listening:

Michael Medved did a wonderful show about the Vietnam war. It is available on audio cassette if you missed the original transcript.

[Barbie2004]

Thanks to everyone who has posted here.

I will be going through all of the links posted here as I have time, but I began with Beatrice's post containing FrontPage Magazine and David Horowitz's interview.

There are numerous intriguing quotes that I believe are worthy of repeating here (although there are certainly more, but I don't want to overload anyone).

Quoting David Horowitz

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15316

(emphasis mine in all cases):

[BuffaloJack]

Nobody could ever take our honor away from us, but ourselves. John Kerry chose to abandon his honor and in doing so made it difficult for others to see the honor within the rest of us. The honor has always been there, untarnished and solid. It has taken 33 years to dust the dirt and debris from the honor we all hold, but it once again shines and will never again be allowed to be covered over. John Kerry's honor, though, cannot be recovered, he chose to throw it away. That was his choice, not ours, all we did was brush aside the tinsel and glitter that John chose to show instead of true honor.
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[Beatrice1000]