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Stanford, AbuGarib, and Insurgents

 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:08 pm    Post subject: Stanford, AbuGarib, and Insurgents Reply with quote

I can find snapshots of our Marine, but sure can't find any pictures of the blonde. This is what I found when I searched for dismembered, disembowed woman in Iraq.

Phil Zimbardo, the Stanford professor who organized the Stanford Prison Experiment, discusses the similarities between his experiment and the actions of the soldiers in Iraq:

Abuse of Iraqui prisoners and Stanford Prison Experiment

Recent horrors being displayed of sexual degradation of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military army reservists elicit direct and sad parallels between similar behavior of the "guards" in the Stanford Prison Experiment against their "prisoners." As the guards on the night shift became ever more bored with their long 8 hour shift, they began to use the prisoners as play things for their amusement, believing that their actions were not under surviellance during the night (they were secretly video taped for subsequent viewing). I then discovered they would get them to simulate sodomy and other homophobic behaviors. They also stripped prisoners naked for various offenses, took away their sheets and mattresses, put them in solitary for excessive periods -- all of which are mirrored in the behavior of military police in the Abu Ghraib prison outside of Bagdad. It is one reason we ended the study a week early because the guards were abusing the power in their roles, and were becoming uncontrollable by our staff. (see www.prisonexp.org)

See the report by Seymour Hersh, who helped expose the MY Lai massacre, for details of the exent of the torture, abuse of all kinds, murder of inmates, coverups by senior officers and details.

In the current situation, we must not allow the politicians and pentagon to dismiss the seriousness of what happened with the usual dispositional analysis of a few bad apples in a good barrel. Bush said it should not reflect on the good nature of all Americans or our military.

Wrong. The situational analysis says the barrel of war is filled with vinegar that will transform good cucumbers into sour pickles and will always do it to make the majority of good people, men and women, into perpetrators of evil, where there is: anonymity-deindividuation, dehumanization, secrecy, diffusion of responsibility, social modeling, big power differentials, frustration, feelings of revenge,obedience to authority, lack of supervision that conveys a sense of permissiveness.

Remember the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, other good boy-soldiers murdered, raped, scalped and burned to death hundreds of innocent Vietnamese civilians, and only one was tried and Lt. Calley was soon released to become a hero of the right wing.

I studied torturers and death squad executioners in Brazil and there civil and military police committed the most atrocious horrors against fellow citizens once they were labelled the "enemy" -- socialists and communists-- and the ideology of "National Security" made them a threat to the fascist military junta running the country--with the support of our government.

Again we show in our recent book that basic social psych principles were operating to morph ordinary Brazilian police into brutal torturers and heartless mass murderers (see Violence Workers, UC Berkeley press, 2003, Huggins, Haritos-Fatouros, Zimbardo).

The ubiquitous causal force in all this is the Evil of War, and the cover story of "National Security," and now the exaggerated fears of terrorism that have been induced by ten "credible" terror alarms is transforming our nation into a culture of victims and our soldiers into brutal abusers of other human beings.

This one incident of wanton, repeated, dehumanized abuse of innocent Iraqi civilian detainees will haunt the objectives of the Bush administration of bringing any semblance of US- style democracy to the Middle East -- it will now not happen. It is not Americans at our worst, it is human nature succumbing to the power of evil situational forces. The horror is that our soldiers should never have been put in harm's way to be killed, maimed, and now to have to function in situations that enabled them to behave in ways that are a perversion of the perfection of our humanity. The rush to this pre-emptive war was based on lies, false assumptions and political and economic objectives that had nothing to do with WMD, terrorism, or enhancing our national security.

WAR IS INDEED HELL, AND THIS AGGRESSIVE, NEEDLESS WAR IS HELL ON EARTH THAT WILL HAVE LONG-LASTING NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES AT HOME AND ABROAD. ONE SLIM HOPE IS SOME IMPROVEMENT AFTER THE NOV. ELECTIONS IF THE CURRENT WAR-MONGERING ADMINISTRATION IS DEFEATED. BUT THE CURRENT NATIONAL INERTIA IS AMAZING TO ME, ESPECIALLY AMONG OUR PASSIVE UNCONCERNED STUDENTS.

Phil Zimbardo
Professor of Psychology
Stanford University

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In the south of the city, where insurgents regrouped over the weekend, the butchered body of a blonde-haired Caucasian woman was found Sunday lying on a street.

"It is a female ... missing all four appendages, with a slashed throat and disemboweled, she has been dead for a while but only in this location for a day or two," said a Navy Corps hospital apprentice who had inspected the body.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041114/wl_afp/iraq_041114190347&e=2

Only for those with strong stomachs:
http://poetry.rotten.com/dismember/
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading this, and considering the mindset of the person who wrote it, it's clear to me that there is a concerted campaign to tarnish the image of our American soldiers and turn them into war criminals and baby killers.

Yes, there are always going to be some mean people who abuse their power. What gets me is that these people can decry what our people do, and yet completely ignore the atrocities that the terrorists inflict on their victims.

I can't help but think he would be singing a different tune if terrorist groups were active in *this* country. I have a feeling a lot of these people would be singing a different tune if they were the ones facing enemy fire in this country. All their loft theories would go out the window then.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wounded are supposed to be noncombatants. But when they abuse that situation and use it to kill or injure our guys they are and should be considered combatants. Of course, after what we have seen about how they treat captives and hostages, I don't have much sympathy towards them.
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