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MSM Exagerating and Lying about Marines AGAIN......
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you that say let the military investigate, I agree. In my view the investigation should take about 10 seconds:

1) Marine knows insurgents fake injuries as a tactic to kill fellow Marines.

2) Marine's partner hurridly shouts that the insurgent is faking.

3) Marine reacts immediately to end the threat.

End of investigation.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question is, 'How did Al Jazeera get the tape. And WHO gave it to them. Apparently, they are airing the Marines' faces & identifications.' Did Kevin Sites give it to them??? If so, I'm going to blast him and NBC with emails about the unethical way he handled this. Check this out from BlackFive:
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Mosque Shooting
At least, that's the headline most editors decided to go with today. By now you probably have heard about the Marine that shot an (apparently) unarmed terrorist in a Mosque.

I've received a few emails from some folks who want me to explain why a Marine would do such a thing. These are from left-wingers, against the war, who don't like my pro-military blog. Tough.

Okay, whackos, here's my response.

First, Kevin Sites, the embed reporter from NBC (who's video footage of the shooting has been broadcast around the world) is an blatant opportunist who had a responsibility to turn over the video footage to Marine Authorities, but, instead chose to broadcast it, give the entire tape to Al Jazeera, etc. It should not have been used for publicity, for television ratings, etc. Sites should have turned it over with the expectation that he would get it back. The video was broadcast (in full) on Al Jazeera - including the identities of the Marines.

So now, you have the world aghast at this shooting (especially, the Arab world - although in undeserved moral outrage), you have Marines identified before trial, and you have a reporter continuing to follow a story. Kevin Sites continues to report and continues to be embedded with the same Marines.

Why?

If I were one of those Marines, I wouldn't want that guy around. Actually, if I were his producer, I'd get him out of there for his own safety.

Now, here's what I believe:

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had been in combat for eight days. He's tired, hungry, frustrated, angry, and, had been wounded the day before.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist had lost his best friend to a booby-trapped (wounded or dead - it's not clear, yet) terrorist.

That Marine who shot the wounded terrorist decided to shoot that one and not the others (who didn't make any moves).

The Marines had cared for the wounded terrorists the day before when they took that Mosque the first time. The next day, those terrorists opened fire on Marines from the same Mosque.

Here is what should happen:

This case should be investigated fully, along with the other charges by Kevin Sites that three other "prisoners" were killed.

This case should be followed by the media.

What happened is a nasty, dirty part of war. For anyone to suggest that these kind of incidents haven't been done by US forces in every war is sadly mistaken. We follow the Geneva Convention. So we will always investigate charges of violations of the Convention. We should. And those guilty of violations should be punished.

Every war that we have fought in the last 60 years has been against a foe that does not subscribe to the Geneva Convention. There is no doubt that a Marine's treatment at the hands of the terrorists would be worse. Much worse. This makes it difficult to follow the Convention because of the tactics used by the enemy. Tactics like faking wounds to draw US forces closer in order to kill them.

I am not suggesting that we brush these incidents aside as "this is what happens in combat". But I think that, in the end, you will have a Marine that was justified in using deadly force.

Update: You can go to MSNBC to the Today Show's footage. The introduction by Matt Lauer is one sided (guess which?). The report given by Jim Miklaszewski is balanced. There is a Marine statement about the investigation, followed by an explanation and camera appearance by Kevin Sites.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marines rally around their comrade

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U.S. Marines Rally Round Iraq Probe Comrade


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A series of television pool images shot by NBC shows a U.S. Marine shooting dead a wounded and...
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FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. Marines rallied round a comrade under investigation for killing a wounded Iraqi during the offensive in Falluja, saying he was probably under combat stress in unpredictable, hair-trigger circumstances.

Marines interviewed on Tuesday said they didn't see the shooting as a scandal, rather the act of a comrade who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the insurgency in the city.

"I can see why he would do it. He was probably running around being shot at for days on end in Falluja. There should be an investigation but they should look into the circumstances," said Lance Corporal Christopher Hanson.

"I would have shot the insurgent too. Two shots to the head," said Sergeant Nicholas Graham, 24, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "You can't trust these people. He should not be investigated. He did nothing wrong."

The military command launched an investigation after video footage showed a U.S. Marine shooting a wounded and unarmed man in a mosque in the city on Saturday. The man was one of five wounded and left in the mosque after Marines fought their way through the area.

A pool report by NBC correspondent Kevin Sites said the mosque had been used by insurgents to attack U.S. forces, who stormed it, killing 10 militants and wounding the five. Sites said the wounded had been left for others to pick up.

A second group of Marines entered the mosque on Saturday after reports it had been reoccupied. Footage from the embedded television crew showed the five still in the mosque, although several appeared to be close to death, Sites said.

He said a Marine noticed one prisoner was still breathing.

A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's f***ing faking he's dead."

"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head," Sites said.

NBC said the Marine, who had reportedly been shot in the face himself the previous day, said immediately after the shooting: "Well, he's dead now."

THOROUGH PROBE PROMISED

The Marine commander in Falluja, Lieutenant General John Sattler, said his men followed the law of conflict and held themselves to a high standard of accountability.

"The facts of this case will be thoroughly pursued to make an informed decision and to protect the rights of all persons involved," he said.

Marines have repeatedly described the rebels they fought against in Falluja as ruthless fighters who didn't play by the rules. They say the investigation is politically motivated.

"It's all political. This Marine has been under attack for days. It has nothing to do with what he did," said Corporal Keith Hoy, 23.

Rights group Amnesty International said on Monday both sides in the Falluja fighting had broken the rules of war governing the protection of civilians and wounded combatants.

Gunnery Sergeant Christopher Garza, 30, favored an investigation but like other Marines said the Pentagon should weigh its decision carefully.

"He should have captured him. Maybe the insurgent had some valuable information. There may have been mitigating circumstances. Maybe his two buddies died in Falluja," he said.

Sites said: "I have witnessed the Marines behaving as a disciplined and professional force throughout this offensive. In this particular case, it certainly was a confusing situation to say the least."

The U.S. military has been embarrassed by scandals in Iraq, most prominently the Abu Ghraib affair in which at least eight U.S. soldiers have been tried or face courts-martial over the abuse of prisoners at the jail outside Baghdad.

There have also been several cases in which soldiers have been charged with wrongfully killing Iraqis during operations.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was standard practice during WW II on Iwo Jima to make a "security round" of the dead with a .45. If there was no gaping hole in the head, one was put there before dark.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Pay attention. Reply with quote

Ok, boys & girls of the MSM, I will say it again.
I never said I would disarm and free the terrorists.
I never said I would spank them, disarm them, and then send them home.
I said from the begining, if you are a terrorist, we will hunt you down and kill you.
I sent in the Marines & the Big Red One. They were not sent in to wash cars, provide taxi service, or handle social problems other than what I told them to do, kill terrorists. What didn't they understand? Marines did what they were told to do. I don't see a problem here.
On Friday, these terrorists were shooting at the Marines from this Mosque. The Marines took the Mosque, putting a hurt on the terrorists. Sat. AM, a squad member of the shooting Marine was killed when he checked a booby-trapped terrorist's body. The shooting Marine controlled the immediate situation so that wouldn't happen again. I repeat, we will hunt them down and kill them. End of story.

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I would love to see GWB respond similar to this. MSM couldn't say he was lying.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Army_(Ret) wrote:
That was standard practice during WW II on Iwo Jima to make a "security round" of the dead with a .45. If there was no gaping hole in the head, one was put there before dark.


I think that should be standard practice now also. Our soldiers are not fighting an enemy that follows the rules of engagement. The enemy makes up their own rules as they go along. IEDs strapped to their bodies, blowing up civilians and soldiers.......they are worse than animals. It should be allowed in Iraq that our soldiers protect themselves against this kind of warfare at any cost, just like in WWII.

I do see a big difference between then and now, then people accepted that war causes one to take extreme measures to persevere. Today people want you to succumb to some higher moral standard. Okay. Then I must ask why do you not hold the terrorists, and have no outrage towards their acts, no condemnation for the beheadings, and hold them to the standard you want to hold us? I hate this sort of hypocricy. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GiveMeFreedom wrote:
My question is, 'How did Al Jazeera get the tape. And WHO gave it to them. Apparently, they are airing the Marines' faces & identifications.' Did Kevin Sites give it to them??? If so, I'm going to blast him and NBC with emails about the unethical way he handled this.


Kevin Sites gave the broadcast to NBC and maybe others. He is the one who shot the video. He has been an imbed wtih this Marine unit. See my earlier post for information on his site and his email.

Here is another update to the Media Contact List:

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=137042#137042

We need to continue to pressure the media. We still have many in harms way. Express your outrage. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need to stop the media from creating scandals for their stories, then trying the people in the press by reporting one sided, slanted and just plain fraudulent items. We need to get them out of the war zone and let the military fight this. I think the military should change the way reporters are imbedded. How about a new rule to the media, 'If you chose to go with you may, but you walk point'.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, we need to come down on this one HARD I think it would be a good idea to contact the commander of the unit involved and have him make sure that these damned snoops are sent elsewhere during combat operations. This Sites character sounds like really bad news. What is he doing in a combat theater anyway? He shouldn't even be there.
If I was over there right now I would find some way to bang the bastard and make it look like the monkeys did it. Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen some of the handiwork of these "people" first hand. I do not even consider them to be human. Shooting is too good for them. I'd like to see them roasting live over a slow fire. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digger wrote:
I've seen some of the handiwork of these "people" first hand. I do not even consider them to be human. Shooting is too good for them. I'd like to see them roasting live over a slow fire. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


What guals me is that now the UN is investigating the US Military in Fallujah for "excessive force". Why are they not investigating the terrorists groups and accusing them of "excessive force"? That embedded NBC reporter just gave the UN another excuse to divert their own "Oil for Food" scandal by projecting us to be evil war mongers who kill without provocation. This is getting way out of control. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digger wrote:
I've seen some of the handiwork of these "people" first hand. I do not even consider them to be human. Shooting is too good for them. I'd like to see them roasting live over a slow fire. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Any room on that spit for some UN folks?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LewWaters wrote:
I wonder when he became a "prisoner?" Last I heard, he was a terrorist sniper who had been shooting at our troops earlier.


Yes, I saw the video. The dead snipers were slumped together and then one was moving and a soldier yelled out that he was moving and then shot him. At first glance, if I was a soldier fighting for who knows how long against an enemy shooting at me that I well understood to be suicidal, that was planting bombs everywhere and wearing them also -- and then saw a movement from a fallen sniper, I would shoot, too -- assuming a bomb to be detonated by the enemy... or an attack of some kind.

There will be an investigation -- but oh goodness how the lib press is going to go after this, use this, you can see it coming. Another day in the process of fighting a war for our troops -- one unfortunate incident, and the "opportunity" will be seized on and magnified all out of proportion for the benefit of the anti-war agenda of the Left. Maybe I'm wrong... just making assumptions based on the prison issue and how that was handled.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snipe wrote:
The bottom line is that everyone's going to be real leary about the "imbedded" newsmen with the troops, especially in a combat
situation. The opportunity to say "Hi Mom!" on national news is
going to be tempered with self preservation. Unsecured wounded
enemy are not "prisoners"...yet.


Yes - kick them out.. they are just looking for something to use against us... just unbelievable how that film got out of there... maybe the reporter did it on the sly and didn't say anything to anyone... The press didn't seem too concerned about that woman that was found all hacked to pieces -- but oh boy, watch out for that American soldier! This should have remained an internal military affair and not aired in public.
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The press didn't seem too concerned about that woman that was found all hacked to pieces -- but oh boy, watch out for that American soldier!


Amazing isn't it. Good is evil and evil is good. I just wish the hate America first crowd would follow through and move to Canada. Unfortunate for the Canadians, but good for America.
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