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[Barbie2004]

What a bunch of boloney!

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/11/16/recount.html

[Barbie2004]

[Snipe]

Third partys get on the ballot next time without having to do hand
springs with nominating petitions if they get a certain percentage
of the votes in the last election. Maybe that's why. But pickin's
were kinda slim in the third party turnout this year.
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[carpro]

Just a thought.

This may be a stealth campaign by the democrats. They didn't want to "demand" a recount with the margin of victory so large. Afraid of public opinion.

It is clear to me from remarks Kerry has made that he has NOT given up hope in Ohio. He's going to keep a close eye on the recount. Thousands of Democratic hired attorneys are still there looking for possible law suits.

In typical Kerry fashion, he has conceded the election but still hopes to win.
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[noc]

[WilliamShipley]

[Timberwolf]

"Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities."

Yea riiiight! If Badnarik is only interested in making sure every vote is counted, why isnt he having a recount of all states, but oh thats right only Ohio would really make any difference, duh.
I feel sorry for Ohioens and there election board, they probably feel like idiots for haveing there integrity questioned by Badnarik, who ever this is.

[Steve Z]

This is just a gimmick, to please the political conspiracy theorists, otherwise known as Sore Losermen.

Neither Bednarik nor Cobb got more than 1% of the vote in ANY state, so they have no chance of overturning the election even in a single state.

In Ohio, Badnarik got a whopping 0.26% of the vote, and Cobb wasn't on the ballot, while Bush won the state by 2.49%. What possible purpose would be served by wasting the efforts of Ohio election officials, when even the Kerry campaign didn't want to pursue a recount?

When they had a month-long recount in Florida, the initial 1730-vote margin for Bush became a 537-vote margin--it took a month to find a net 1193 votes for Gore. Kerry would need 136,484 net votes in Ohio, where the total votes cast were comparable to those of Florida in 2000. Can anyone seriously believe that Ohio's uncounted ballots are over 100 times more skewed than those in Palm Beach and Broward Counties?

He's well named. Narik is really BAD!!!
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[neverforget]

>>Only swinging door ballots or chads removed will be counted. No dents, no doubles, and even if broken on two sides it won't be good enough. There is no reason to assume that Kerry will get anything more than a very modest increase and will not manage to close the gap anywhere near the number needed.<<

Very easy for "Democratic Party-type handling" of these punch cards to result in these chads being "punched" through.

I agree this is a Kerry/DNC orchestrated attempt to overthrow the election. And I am not so confident Kerry will only get a modest increase.
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[Barbie2004]

noc wrote:

[noc]

here is part:

Fewer Ohio votes uncounted this time

Thursday, November 04, 2004
Darrel Rowland
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

http://www.dispatch.com/election/election-local.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/04/20041104-A13-03.html

Almost 93,000 presidential votes in Ohio went uncounted in Tuesday’s election, according to numbers from the secretary of state’s office.

That’s still less than the 136,000 victory margin for President Bush, alleviating preelection fears that the number of uncounted tallies would exceed the winner’s margin.

As usual, punch-card ballots appear to be the main culprit.

But despite a record number of voters this year, the total of "residual votes" dropped from 95,500 in the 2000 election.

The secretary of state and others launched a widespread voter-education program this year in an attempt to minimize voting problems, especially with the problematic punch-card ballots and their infamous hanging chads.

A Dispatch study published last month showed that in 2000, votes from predominantly (90 percent or more) black precincts went uncounted at nearly triple the rate of those from the rest of the state.

No one can determine how many Ohioans intentionally did not cast a vote in the presidential election or how many this year lost their presidential vote by supporting independent Ralph Nader, whose name was mistakenly included on ballots in a handful of locales.

The uncounted votes do not include 155,000 provisional ballots, which are handled separately from votes cast on Election Day and by absentee ballot.

A total of 69 counties — containing 72 percent of Ohio voters — use punch-card ballots. That’s the second-most in the nation, and by far the highest rate of any presidential battleground state.

But this should be the last presidential election where punch-card ballots will dominate Ohio’s tabulation.

Counties are supposed to switch to electronic voting devices with paper-audit trails by 2006.


Reports on the provisional ballots vary. Early reports published today are showing some counties in the 30% rejection range, but the voting does not appear much different than the current ratios.

Here are the provisional ballots issued by county:

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ProvBallots.htm

Some number crunching on the winning percentage in each of those counties should provide a good base for the numbers expected in the recount.

[Steve Z]

Because I am somewhat mathematically inclined, I decided to do some number-crunching on these Ohio provisional ballots (an Excel spreadsheet helps). Using the county-by-county vote totals on

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/county.003.html

and the number of provisional votes by county given in

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ProvBallots.htm

I allocated provisional ballots to Bush and Kerry proportionately to the number of votes each candidate already received in each county. According to this model, Bush picks up 67,295 votes, Kerry picks up 66,566 votes, out of 134,505 provisional ballots in this sample (a few hundred votes went to Badnarik and Peroutka).

Bush would pick up a net 729 votes, which increases his margin to 137,212 votes. It should be noted that provisional-ballot numbers were missing for a few large counties won by Kerry, such as Lucas, Mahoning, and Summit. But if the total number of provisional ballots is about 155,000, there would be only about 20,000 left in these counties, not nearly enough for Kerry to catch up, even if he got ALL of them!

They can count those provisional ballots for the sake of fairness, but the result will probably be a wash, so we don't need to worry about Ohio turning blue, THIS YEAR!
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[Anker-Klanker]

I've lost the fox somewhere. According to everything I saw prior to this recount, the rule was that any candidate or party could request a recount if they paid for it.

[southerndelite]

I AM from Ohio and I AM livid!! What a total waste of tax dollars!!