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msindependent
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| After looking at the Millennium Information Services website, I can see John Lewis of Progressive Insurance putting the squeeze on them to fire Gardner. |
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Rurik
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Fund for Steve Gardner |
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| stcromwell99 wrote: | | Route6 wrote: | | I have just sent a fax to Steve Pietrzak, President of Millennium Information Services, Inc., to tell him what I think of his firing Steve Gardner. |
Actually I just sent an email to Mr Pietrzak at the email below. And I didn't get a bounced msg. Might want to try it. 
Steve.Pietrzak@Millinfo.com
Here is the Freepers site info on the same subject. Seems to be a lot more interest there then here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1290194/posts?page=144 |
My email to that address did bounce. Maybe they've already been blitzed enough to make achange? Okay. so I sent my message to their customer office.
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Slednfool
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | is this one of those companies with stockholders? |
It appears to be a privately owned company.
The guys at Free Republic are trying to arrange some way for us to donate money to Steve. I'd recommend you guys check out the link posted earlier. |
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Nomorelies
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:23 am Post subject: |
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email sent. Will watch powerline for donation information. Steve should set up a PayPal account and email us back.
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Slednfool
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:27 am Post subject: |
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"I can see John Lewis of Progressive Insurance putting the squeeze on them to fire Gardner"
I dont think any squeeze was needed. Over on FR, "Open Secrets shows John Pietrzak, president of Millennium Information Services, gave $500 to Carol Moseley-Braun in 1997, with earlier amounts to Tom Harkin and Dan Rostenkowski. No money to Republicans."
I checked opensecrets.org and that is accurate. |
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gmez2001
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:48 am Post subject: Gardner |
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I'll be faxing,calling,emailing and complaining.
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Doc Farmer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Picked this up over at FR...
| Quote: | Re: Steve Gardner
Thanks to all of our readers who have written offering to make contributions to Steve Gardner or otherwise expressing interest in helping him. We tracked down Mary Laney, the freelance reporter who wrote the Chicago Sun-Times story that Deacon linked to earlier today. Here's her message:
I'm glad you picked up my column on Steve Gardner. He certainly deserves better than he's gotten for speaking up about what happened on that Swiftboat those years ago. I'm not at liberty to give out his address or phone number, but he has allowed me to give you his email address: sgardner5@carolina.rr.com
I hope a great job can be found for this man.
Best,
Mary Laney |
I've already written him a thank-you letter. I'd ask that all of you do the same. If I find there is a way to do more, I'll pass it along here.
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RogerRabbit
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Stevie boy must have discontinued his email address cause he probably has got a host of mail - my latest was bounced
| Quote: | did not reach the following recipient(s):
STEVE.PIETRZAK@MILLINFO.COM on Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:58:44 -0600
The recipient name is not recognized
The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=millennium
infor;l=NTFS00020411300058VJ9VMN0G
MSEXCH:IMS:Millennium Information Services,
Inc.:MILLENNIUMINFORMATION:NTFS0002 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient
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d19thdoc
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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I am a little confused by this.
From the Mary Laney article dated today Nov. 29, 2004.
| Quote: | Days later, Brinkley called again, warning Gardner to expect some calls. It seems Brinkley had used the "fact checking" conversation to write an inflammatory article about Gardner for Time.com. The article, implying that Gardner was politically motivated, appeared under the headline "The 10th Brother."
Twenty-four hours later, Gardner got an e-mail from his company, Millennium Information Services, informing him that his services would no longer be necessary. |
But the Brinkley Time.com article is dated March 9, 2004 – over nine months ago.
| Quote: | Tuesday, Mar. 09, 2004
The Tenth Brother
Douglas Brinkley, author of Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, interviews Kerry’s tenth warmate and gets a story sharply different from what the other nine crew members have had to say
By DOUGLAS BRINKLEY |
So this all happened in March of 2004 . . . the job loss, etc.
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RogerRabbit
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Thats the way I read it - irregardless of when he was dismissed it is still wrong and Millenium should make it right
| d19thdoc wrote: | I am a little confused by this.
From the Mary Laney article dated today Nov. 29, 2004.
| Quote: | Days later, Brinkley called again, warning Gardner to expect some calls. It seems Brinkley had used the "fact checking" conversation to write an inflammatory article about Gardner for Time.com. The article, implying that Gardner was politically motivated, appeared under the headline "The 10th Brother."
Twenty-four hours later, Gardner got an e-mail from his company, Millennium Information Services, informing him that his services would no longer be necessary. |
But the Brinkley Time.com article is dated March 9, 2004 – over nine months ago.
| Quote: | Tuesday, Mar. 09, 2004
The Tenth Brother
Douglas Brinkley, author of Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, interviews Kerry’s tenth warmate and gets a story sharply different from what the other nine crew members have had to say
By DOUGLAS BRINKLEY |
So this all happened in March of 2004 . . . the job loss, etc. |
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Barbie2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
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msindependent wrote:
| Quote: | | After looking at the Millennium Information Services website, I can see John Lewis of Progressive Insurance putting the squeeze on them to fire Gardner. |
Article we discussed in a previous post:
| Quote: | Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2004 1:09 p.m. EDT
Billionaires Secretly Met in Aspen to Defeat Bush
In the days following the Democratic National Convention in Boston this past August, several billionaire Democratic activists secretly met at the famed Aspen Institute in Colorado.
The purpose of their clandestine meeting was "to use their fortunes to engineer the defeat of President George W. Bush," The New Yorker magazine reports in its most recent edition.
Details of the meeting remain sketchy, but the magazine described the Aspen conference this way: "Five billionaires joined half a dozen liberal leaders in a lengthy conversation about the future of progressive politics in America."
For sure, there were differences of opinion in the group, but they all shared one goal: to get George Bush this November.
The Aspen meeting was supposed to have been a top secret within Democratic Party circles.
When The New Yorker inquired about the meeting, an assistant to one of the attendees was surprised by the call.
"No one was supposed to know about this," the aide told the magazine. "We don’t want people thinking it’s a cabal or some sort of Masonic plot!"
Apparently the leader of the secret cabal is billionaire Peter B. Lewis, chairman of the Cleveland, Ohio-based insurance company Progressive Corporation.
Like another attendee, wealthy financier George Soros, Lewis has poured millions into Democratic 527 groups, including Americans Coming Together and MoveOn.org.
One of Lewis’ top agenda items has been the decriminalization of marijuana, a policy position also shared by Soros.
Another billionaire who attended was John Sperling, founder of the online University of Phoenix.
Also present were Herb and Marion Sandler from California. The couple founded Golden West Financial Corporation, a California bank reportedly worth $17 billion.
The key agenda items for the Sandlers has been "preserving progressive income taxes and inheritance taxes," the magazine reported.
The wealthiest and most notable of those attending the meeting was George Soros, the 74-year-old Hungarian immigrant who desperately wants to defeat George Bush and has even compared him to the likes of Adolf Hitler.
Apparently, all was not roses at the billionaire confab, according to The New Yorker.
"The billionaires spent much of the time moaning the superior powers of the GOP," the magazine said, and the group even needed some cheerleading from Harold Ickes, a former top aide to Bill Clinton who is involved in the 527 efforts.
There was disagreement about some of the issues and policy positions the group should take.
Sperling, for one, argued that the main target of their efforts should be Wal-Mart. He wants to push for unionizing the giant retailer.
That idea was apparently vetoed by George Soros, who reportedly told the group he had no desire to support union initiatives and that his only single goal at this point was "ousting Bush."
Though not the leader of the group, Soros holds the largest bank account and as such is the 800-pound gorilla, having given more than $18 million to the 527s in an effort to defeat Bush.
The magazine said Soros had planned to keep a low profile in the closing months of the election, but suddenly changed course this summer when he decided to "jettison the strategy in favor of waging his own media-grabbing political campaign."
Soros hired a publicist and began a 12-city, $3 million personal crusade to defeat George Bush.
According to the magazine, Soros has nothing but contempt for Bush, who he considers "an ignorant fool."
More than that, he sees Bush as the face man for a secret cabal. "Bush was just chosen as a figurehead, an acceptable face for a sinister group," Soros told The New Yorker, adding, "Cheney is the Capo."
Clearly, Soros knows a thing or two about secret cabals and capos. |
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/19/131508.shtml
Mr. Lewis seems to be popping up as much (and with) George Soros. Hmmmmmm. . . .
And didn't we all figure out that:
Progressive=Socialist=Communist
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JimRobson
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Barbie, What an awesome detective you are! That is the link to Garner's firing, for sure!!!
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Stevie
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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well gee, I hope Mr Progressive and his friend don't have any republican / anti Kerry customers.....
or maybe they just don't care.....
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CandiM
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| Cazador wrote: | | .......Steve has a very good case for suing his ex-employer. The key is the employee handbook and what it states for termination of employment. If it states that any bad press attention garnered on behalf of an employee might be reflected upon the employerm they might have a case. Might being the operative term. The employer might have the call in that case. The odds are that they do not have a press clause so unless his performance reviews were poor, they are probably going to have to settle with him out of court. ....... |
Sadly, unless he can prove discrimination, Steve has no case to sue his former employer--Illinois is an "Employment At Will" state and as such, any employer here can terminate any employee at any time for any non-discriminatory reason--
About the best that can be hoped for is that sufficient pressure and adverse publicity can be brought to bear on Millennium Information Services that they might consider hiring him back or, I would think preferrably (for who would want to work for such people, they might be "encouraged" to make a settlement with our Dear Mr. Gardner that would/could help to tide him over until he can find employment where he can be working for human beings--
We can hope, anyway--C
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Barbie2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:23 am Post subject: |
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CandiM wrote (bolding my emphasis):
| Quote: | Sadly, unless he can prove discrimination, Steve has no case to sue his former employer--Illinois is an "Employment At Will" state and as such, any employer here can terminate any employee at any time for any non-discriminatory reason--
About the best that can be hoped for is that sufficient pressure and adverse publicity can be brought to bear on Millennium Information Services that they might consider hiring him back or, I would think preferrably (for who would want to work for such people, they might be "encouraged" to make a settlement with our Dear Mr. Gardner that would/could help to tide him over until he can find employment where he can be working for human beings-- |
Candi, I am very sorry, but I disagree.
I have done extensive research on a very similar matter, and Steve has more than just a "discrimination" case, although he may in fact have that.
Certainly, if he is over 40, their may be an "age" discrimination case.
Having said that, I believe that the strength of his case is in "violation of his First Amendment rights." I have seen so many cases like this. That is, where an employee loses his/her job because of his/her "political views", which is a violation of a person's First Amendment Rights.
Second, just because a company claim's that an employee is "at will," does not necessary mean that the employee is "at will." What I have found in this context is that a company can turn an employee into a "contractual" employee based upon things such as: policy manuals and statements (both oral and written) by management or other "apparent agents" of the company.
Bottom line: the violation of the First Amendment is the, IM(not so)HO, the area that Steve & his attorney should look into.
It is, by the way, a Civil Rights case, and as such may get Steve punitive damages and attorney's fees, which in turn, should make getting an attorney much easier.
Hit them in their pocket book, and get the added benefit of "press coverage" will certainly get their attention, not to mention the discovery phase, where they will have to admit their "dasterdly deeds" and "billionaire culprits!"
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| Quote: | | Barbie, What an awesome detective you are! That is the link to Garner's firing, for sure!!! |
Thank you very much! I hope that this helps in putting the puzzle together and I only hope that I can contribute half as much as Beatrice, which is my goal! 
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