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[PhantomSgt]

Again I say...........

WOULD THE LAST AMERICAN OUT OF SOCAL PLEASE BRING THE FLAG?
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Independent that leans right of center.

[ScottyDog]

[PhantomSgt]

[ScottyDog]

Know the Enemy

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/12/7/94502.shtml

Tuesday, Dec. 7, 2004 9:43 a.m. EST

9/11 Report Urges Driver's License Reform

Contrary to the claims of many in Congress who say the issue of driver's license reform is an immigration issue that has nothing to do with the 9/11 Commission recommendations, the Commission report specifically urges new federal standards for driver's licenses.
On page 390 the Commission report states:
Recommendation: Secure identification should begin in the United States. The federal government should set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as drivers licenses. Fraud in identification documents is no longer just a problem of theft. At many entry points to vulnerable facilities, including gates for boarding aircraft, sources of identification are the last opportunity to ensure that people are who they say they are and to check whether they are terrorists.
The driver's license recommendation follows a section that urges tighter identification standards to enable more complete tracking of illegal immigrants:
It is elemental to border security to know who is coming into the country. Today more than 9 million people are in the United States outside the legal immigration system. ... All but one of the 9/11 hijackers acquired some form of U.S. identification document, some by fraud. Acquisition of these forms of identification would have assisted them in boarding commercial flights, renting cars, and other necessary activities.
Despite the clear and specific language, supporters of the current intelligence reform legislation continue to insist that illegal immigration be treated as a separate issue.
"The problem on 9/11 was not an immigration problem," Rep. Carolyn Maloney, who represents a lower Manhattan district near Ground Zero, told WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter on Tuesday. "This particular bill was designed to respond to that intelligence failure in the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission."
Apparently oblivious to the portion of the 9/11 Commission findings that deals specifically with the issue of driver's licenses, Maloney said the topic "was not in the 9/11 Commission report."

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[ScottyDog]

I can tell you my opinion why the Polticos are refusing to pass it from the left.

Of the 19 hijackers on 911, they had 63 valid legal drivers licenses and 8 of them were registered to vote.

Illegal Aliens registered to vote!!

The open borders lobby on the right wants them so they can get to work using a valid ID and less chance to be deported.

After all they have a DL.

My 2 cents

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[USS Endicott]

The amnesty program (oops - make that Work Visa Program) of President Bush is the one reason I considered not voting for him this past election. However, neither party is interested in protecting our borders and Kerry was such a terrible choice for President, I voted once again for President Bush.

Both parties are soft on illegal immigration. Republicans & Democrats want illegals for cheap labor and the vote. There is a group of wealthy Americans who don't want to pay a reasonable wage for maid service, lawn service, construction service, fast food work, farm work, and a host of other jobs that illegals taking. Those who pay under the table also avoid dealing with payroll taxes, workmans comp, and healthcare and this makes it harder for legitimate businesses to compete. I don't believe this nonsense that most Americans won't do these jobs because it is beneath them and I think it is an insult to Americans to say so. I do believe Americans would like to make a decent wage for doing this work. Those who are willing to hire illegals are traitors to their country and should be jailed. We have a lot of able bodied people on welfare that could do these jobs. And if those who are on welfare and able to work don't want to take these jobs, they should lose their welfare benefits. And to save time - yes, I would be willing to pay more for grapes and other food items if it means the borders are secured and illegals are returned to their country.

I am not against immigration, I am for a sound, reasonable immigration policy that does not reward those who break our laws to get into this country. As long as we reward illegals, the problems in Mexico won't be fixed and the incentive to come into the USA illegally will remain. Granting amnesty is also not fair to the legal immigrants who went through so much to become US citizens. I also believe that we should do our best to only allow those with a desire to be Americans and not hyphenated Americans into this country. Many hyphenated Americans that I have worked with are still loyal to their home country over America. If only we had a political party that truly believed in protecting our borders and following the laws of the land.
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"God Bless America and keep watch over our military personnel. Thanks to all who have served and are serving now!" from a California American.

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PhantomSgt

The articles I read did not identify party registration but my guess is the DNC. Do you think that the terrorists would have registered RNC?

LOL

USS Endicott

I agree with you 100%.

Kudos on your comments, I think most Patriotic Americans get it.

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[ScottyDog]

PhantomSgt

Would that be Samy Al-Arian?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=6306

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[SBD]

I agree that something needs to be done with the porous border. I am more concerned by the fact that a terrorist can easily enter this country. This fear became reality to me during the campaign. I was a volunteer for the Bush campaign along with a Border Patrol Agent. One night, the Border Patrol Agent told me that they had arrested three Middle Eastern men who were trying to cross the border. She said they had documentation from South America that looked valid but she had a gut fealing and sent them to secondary inspection where they were detained. While the agents were verifying the documents, the three men, who did not realize their conversations were being monitored, began to speak arabic. They were arrested but the agents were not supposed to publicize the incident and it was never reported in the press.

A few week later, there was a report from Arizona that was even more disturbing than this one. Apparently 77 illegals were caught crossing the border and they were Middle Eastern. Again, the local Border Patrol denied the incident.

Needless to say, I was very angry after the election when one of the first things President Bush did was try to pass that Amnesty Program. We had just faught the election battle of all time to get him elected and his first action was to try to pass something the majority of the Party was opposed to? What a great way to say thank you to all of us who worked hard to further the cause of the Republican Party.

Here's the Arizona Article

U.S. seized 77 Mideastern aliens in southern Arizona

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Monday, August 2, 2004

U.S. Border Patrol agents detained 53 Arabic-speaking males in Arizona near the Mexican border on June 13, according to a report by a small-town newspaper in Tombstone, Arizona.

The same report detailed a second incident on June 21 in which 24 Arabic-speaking males were seized after a chase of a larger group of border-crossers, most of whom are still at large.

Both incidents involved agents from the Wilcox, Arizona Border Patrol station.

The agents said they encountered the 53 men on June 13 as part of a larger contingent of approximately 100 illegal aliens in the Chiricaucha Mountain foothills.

The agents said they were able to detain 71 of the aliens, of whom 53 were described as males of Middle Eastern decent. The men spoke poor English and no Spanish, sources told the newspaper.

One of the agents, who speaks Arabic and Farsi overheard the detainees speaking Arabic through an air vent in the transport vehicle after their detention according to the story in the Tombstone Tumbleweed.

The June 21 incident occured in the area of Pierce and Sunsites approximately 25 miles northeast of Tombstone and not far from the Chiricaucha foothills.

A border patrol spoksman officially denied that any Middle Eastern aliens have been detained in the area. However he did confirm that since Oct. 1, 2003, 5,510 illegal aliens "other than Mexican" (OTM) have been detained crossing the border into southern Arizona. The term actually means"other than Mexico or other central and South American countries," the spokesman, Andy Adame, told the newspaper.

Such OTM aliens are "people from all over the world," he said. "We apprehend them, process them, and turn them over to [the U.S. Department of] Homeland Security and the FBI and that is all I can say."

Vouching for the small newspaper report is J. David Galland, deputy editor for DefenseWatch, a defense-oriented Internet publication headed by retired Army Colonel David H. Hackworth.

The border patrol has in recent weeks stepped up its enforcement in the southeast quadrant of Arizona, which includes the area of the Huachuca Mountains in Cochise County, Galland wrote on July 23.

"The Cochise County seat is in Bisbee, an artsy copper mining town, with a colorful past, located just a few miles north of the America's southern border with Mexico. At the foot of the Huachuca Mountains lies Fort Huachuca, the home of the U.S. Army Intelligence Command and school."

On July 20, Geostrategy-Direct.com reported that the U.S. Homeland Security Department had deployed the Israeli-made Hermes 450 unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) "to help border surveillance in southern Arizona."

Galland's article implied that the UAVs were deployed because of the threat posed by OTM aliens from the Middle East.

The agents involved in the June 13th incident said the men were dressed like ordinary border-crossers – baseball caps, jeans, sneakers and t-shirts. What distinguished the Middle Easterners was the fact that their clothes were as new and fresh as their identical haircuts and mustaches.

SBD