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shawa CNO
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: Let Bin Laden Stay Free??? |
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"Buzzy" is an example of the people Porter Goss is cleaning out
of the CIA. I say, Keep it up Mr. Goss!
This "don't make them mad" mentality will kill us.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1431539,00.html
Let Bin Laden Stay Free, says CIA man
Tony Allen-Mills
THE world may be better off if Osama Bin Laden remains at large, according to the Central Intelligence Agency’s recently departed executive director.
If the world’s most wanted terrorist is captured or killed, a power struggle among his Al-Qaeda subordinates may trigger a wave of terror attacks, said AB “Buzzy” Krongard, who stepped down six weeks ago as the CIA’s third most senior executive.
“You can make the argument that we’re better off with him (at large),” Krongard said. “Because if something happens to Bin Laden, you might find a lot of people vying for his position and demonstrating how macho they are by unleashing a stream of terror.”
Krongard, a former investment banker who joined the CIA in 1998, said Bin Laden’s role among Islamic militants was changing.
“He’s turning into more of a charismatic leader than a terrorist mastermind,” he said. “Some of his lieutenants are the ones to worry about.”
Krongard, 68, said he viewed Bin Laden “not as a chief executive but more like a venture capitalist”.
He added: “Let’s say you and I want to blow up Trafalgar Square. So we go to Bin Laden. And he’ll say, ‘Well, here’s some money and some passports and if you need weapons, see this guy’.
“I don’t see him keeping his fingers on everything because the lines of communications are just too difficult.”
Several US officials have privately admitted that it may be better to keep Bin Laden pinned down on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan rather than make him a martyr or put him on trial. But Krongard is the most senior figure to acknowledge publicly that his capture might prove counter-productive.
Krongard also acknowledged that the CIA was still having trouble planting spies in Islamic militant ranks. “There are hundreds and hundreds of (Al-Qaeda) cells — it’s like a living, moving bit of protoplasm,” he said.
“In order to penetrate you not only have to be language-proficient, you also have to commit acts that exceed criminality. It’s very hard.”
His comments came as it emerged that new laws to combat the Al-Qaeda threat in Britain and keep the Belmarsh terror suspects in jail will be unveiled next month.
The draft terrorism bill will propose that “acts preparatory to terrorism” become a criminal offence to catch those who provide accommodation, finance, identity papers and other support. The bill will prove controversial because it could be applied restrospectively against many of the 11 foreign terror suspects being detained in Belmarsh, south London, and Broadmoor secure hospital.
Charles Clarke, the home secretary, is also planning to announce a civil punishment for those suspected of “associating” with terrorist suspects, but where there is insufficient proof to press charges.
Additional reporting: David Leppard |
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Beatrice1000 Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1179 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Let Bin Laden Stay Free??? |
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shawa wrote: |
“He’s turning into more of a charismatic leader than a terrorist mastermind,” he said. “Some of his lieutenants are the ones to worry about.” Krongard, 68, said he viewed Bin Laden “not as a chief executive but more like a venture capitalist”. |
YIKES!! . Go Goss -- and just in time, it seems. I recall early on when we were first noticing bin laden -- that he was viewed by our agencies merely as a "financier" -- a money man for terrorists, and that it took some time before the FBI was able to label him as an Islamic extremist leader. Incredible to imagine that over time the thinking has circled back to that early belief that he hasn't much power... Also, to think -- to wring our hands, so to speak, that there would be "more trouble" if UBL were taken out just feeds into the Jihadi propaganda -- we have got to be smarter than that! Unbelievable... good riddance to the fool.
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GoophyDog PO1
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 480 Location: Washington - The Evergreen State
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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a pretty good analogy would be:
If you want to catch the drug dealers, you stake out a crack house for the deliveries. You don't bust the house, simply watch, follow, and then snag the dealers elsewhere. If you get a little luck you'll also be able to identify other dealers and suppliers while still keeping the house under wraps. _________________ Why ask? Because it needs asking. |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Let's refer to OBL as uncaptured. The guy isn't really free. He can't go very far wherever he is,as sooner or later he would be tracked. He is currently in some inaccessible place where he has little control outside of it. He will be captured for sure at some time, but he certainly isn't free. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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