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Doc Farmer
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| mtboone wrote: | | There was a Ward L. Churchill in the Army and that he made E5. Now, I do not know if he is the same one. |
From the pictures I've seen of the 'professor' I'd wager he's never had a buzz cut...
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Doc Farmer
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| d19thdoc wrote: | Doc Farmer:
From my email to the chair of the U of C Board of Regents:
| Quote: | Dear Mr. Rutledge,
In reference to Ward Churchill, who is being maintained by the University of Colorado on your watch, I submit the following observations.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2381
§ 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
What more aid and comfort can one give to our enemies than to justify their acts of war against our country, to characterize innocent civilians as legitimate combatant targets, and to co-sign the enemy's own rationales for the attacks.
Terrorism is almost entirely psychological warfare, with the exception of the few actual military actions the terrorists are able to take against us. Promoting their propaganda agenda is collaboration and active participation in their politico-military objectives.
This is not a question of free speech. This is a question of treason.
It should be dealt with - swiftly and ruthlessly - as such.
All this nonsense about Churchill's First Amendment rights is just that - a diversion to shift the focus from his Constitutionally criminal activity. The Constitution does not give anyone the right to subvert its very survival.
And, he has been able to get away with this so far because of the legacy of the anti-war people of the 1970's - Comrade Kerry, Jane Fonda and their ilk, who went un-prosecuted and became precedent for the government to sit idly by while an entire generation of this country's defenders. like myself, were vilified and marginalized, and while the national security interests of the nation itself were undermined.
No more. Never again.
Take action appropriate to the threat, or be considered a collaborator in treason. The taxpayers of Colorado and of the United States (you do get Federal funds, don't you?) are not interested in paying for their own subversion in war time. |
Two other throughts. 1) If Churchill would have been prosecutable during World War II, why not now? The Constitutional principles have not changed. A jury should decide. Since the Colorado House voted its outrage unanimously, and the Colorado Senate had only one dissenting vote on a similar resolution, I don't think the case would be a hard sell to a jury. And, 2) his defense that he is only reporting the position of our enemies is transparently bogus to anyone who can read - and who did read his original article. He is defining, advocating and advancing the agenda of our enemies, who, like the North Vietnamese, need only to be convinced that staying their course will defeat us at home, in order to continue and to escalate the barbarity of their attacks on our troops in the field. |
I understand the point you're making (and you make it well) but even though terrorism is more a mind game than anything else, I don't know if that can be the basis of treason. I think (and I'm willing to be corrected on this by any constitutional f*****g lawyers out there) that there would have to be tangible evidence of action taken as a direct result of his words, for this to be called true treason.
As to your other points, 1) I'm talking mainly about the mindset of 1942 versus 2005 (or even 2001). Back then, there would have been no question that the guy would have at the very least be brought up on charges. As to the treason charge sticking, it might or might not depending on any actionable evidence obtained after his statement. The sedition charge, however, would almost certainly be a slam dunk. Same with today, assuming you could find a federal prosecutor with the cojones to actually go out there and do his job. Since we haven't found one yet with the stones to take on Hanoi Jane or Hanoi John, I doubt you'll find one to take on Churchill. As to 2) a slick defense f*****g lawyer could pick that apart in about 5 minutes, I'm afraid. It'd be done dishonestly, of course, but what do you expect from those folks?
Although the basis for the law haven't changed in six decades, sadly our society has. It's become weak and wimpy, and doesn't have the guts to do something so politically incorrect as uphold Constitutional law.
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blue9t3
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 The wannabee never had a buzz cut? thats precious, he has got to be the biggest galute Indian wannabee I have ever seen! You have a right to say what ever you want, just like I have a right to do what ever I want. And that wasnt a question, so I wish that stupid jerk all the luck- hes gona need it! I just hope there isnt one penny of my tax money in that college. 
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Doc Farmer
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| blue9t3 wrote: | | The wannabee never had a buzz cut? thats precious, he has got to be the biggest galute Indian wannabee I have ever seen! You have a right to say what ever you want, just like I have a right to do what ever I want. And that wasnt a question, so I wish that stupid jerk all the luck- hes gona need it! I just hope there isnt one penny of my tax money in that college. |
Hate to say this, but if they receive any federal money (which is almost a certainty) you've probably given them more than a penny... 
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IMO, you're right about Churchill. He's just a Native American wannabee with a sensationalist bent. He will say or write anything to promote himself for money -- MONEY! I heard radio news that much more is coming on this preposterous punk's background. The investigation now is moving at flank speed and so much is available the full month will be needed to analyze all the material.
In a way, he's done all of us a favor because now the universally hated "tenure" system in our universities is about to be altered. The days of permitting effete progressive professors to say anything, regardless of how cruel, insane, insensitive, or whatever, are coming to an end. They soon will be held to some standard of decency higher than constitutionally required simply because they are supported by tax money, they have captive audiences and they are able to subtly coerce. 
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| Doc Farmer wrote: | | mtboone wrote: | | There was a Ward L. Churchill in the Army and that he made E5. Now, I do not know if he is the same one. |
From the pictures I've seen of the 'professor' I'd wager he's never had a buzz cut... |
According to Churchill's response, here, he stated:
"* This is not to say that I advocate violence; as a U.S. soldier in Vietnam I witnessed and participated in more violence than I ever wish to see. "
I know an International Studies "professor" who thinks exactly like Churchill. This knucklehead even has a son who was three floors below the WTC second impact zone and made it out alive with just minutes to spare.
"We were the bullies on the block and we deserved it" he said.
I'm embarrassed to say this "professor" is my cousin.
Kurt
PS I love the way the Indians are leaving skid marks to disassociate themselves with Churchill. Indian wannabe indeed. |
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Tom Poole
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| kman said Ward Churchill wrote: | | ...as a U.S. soldier in Vietnam... |
I wonder if he really was "in Vietnam" or merely a wannabee there too. If he'd lie about being a Native American, why wouldn't he lie about his military service? Anyone out there able to authenticate that statement?
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Doc Farmer
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| Tom Poole wrote: | | kman said Ward Churchill wrote: | | ...as a U.S. soldier in Vietnam... |
I wonder if he really was "in Vietnam" or merely a wannabee there too. If he'd lie about being a Native American, why wouldn't he lie about his military service? Anyone out there able to authenticate that statement? |
Somebody should check and see if he was involved in the "Winter Soldier" investigations back in the 70's as well...
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I Googled on "ward churchill" "winter soldier" and found this on one try.
| Frank Salvato, Mens News Daily, February 4 wrote: | ...Recently, the American Indian Movement (AIM) exposed Churchill, the coordinator of American Indian studies at UC, as a fraud. After a 25-year internal investigation of Churchill, AIM condemned Churchill’s writings and called for educators to remove his books from their programs and schools stating that he was, “deceitful and treacherous” and “a white man masquerading as an Indian.” Churchill was expelled from the International Indian Treaty Council in 1986 and from AIM in 1993.
Churchill is an ignorantly evil fraud of a man and the UC should terminate his employment, not because of his inflammatory and irresponsible statements about those who perished on September 11 th, his right to free speech remains inalienable, but because he is a charlatan....Merely a Wannabee |
Thus far, I've found nothing to link Ward Wannabe to the Winter Soldier testimony, Silky's New Soldier, or any other Vietnam affiliation for that matter. Someone should be able to lay hands on a document proving he either was or was not a Vietnam Veteran. So many lied about this for a thousand reasons, it seems logical to question it, especially since he's already been proven to have lied about this Native American heritage.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: Sounds like Skerry to me. |
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According to Churchill's response, here, he stated:
"* This is not to say that I advocate violence; as a U.S. soldier in Vietnam I witnessed and participated in more violence than I ever wish to see. "
Furchill's statement about Vietnam and violence only tells me it never happened. Sounds like Skerry's drivel of six months ago. |
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BOR just announced he has revised his line of thinking on Churchill and says he must be fired because, Churchill is calling for more 9/11's. Seems Churchill wants more Americans to die. Of course we all knew this, but great seeing BOR grind his teeth and change a position.
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