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Tex Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 84
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: CNN's Eason Jordan>the U.S. targets journalists?(resigns) |
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This is a really hot story in the "blogosphere", originating at Forum Blog, which covered the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Here's the meat of the controversy:
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At a discussion moderated by David R. Gergen, the Director for Public Leadership, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, the concept of truth, fairness, and balance in the news was weighed against corporate profit interest, the need for ratings, and how the media can affect democracy. The panel included Richard Sambrook, the worldwide director of BBC radio, U.S. Congressman Barney Frank, Abdullah Abdullah, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan, and Eason Jordan, Chief News Executive of CNN. The audience was a mix of journalists, WEF attendees (many from Arab countries), and a US Senator from Connecticut, Chris Dodd.
During one of the discussions about the number of journalists killed in the Iraq War, Eason Jordan asserted that he knew of 12 journalists who had not only been killed by US troops in Iraq, but they had in fact been targeted. He repeated the assertion a few times, which seemed to win favor in parts of the audience (the anti-US crowd) and cause great strain on others. |
This has been picked up by many other blogs, like Power Line and Captain's Quarters, who have uncovered similar remarks made by Jordan on the subject.
For CNN's part, they claim Jordan's comments were "taken out of context".
Eason Jordan is of course the same guy who ignored Saddam Hussein's brutality in exchange for access.
Note: Tex, updated your thread topic _________________ "If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness." -- Theodore Roosevelt |
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PhantomSgt Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 972 Location: GUAM, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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cNN Al Jazeera showing their true colors again. Does anyone watch this network of bias anymore? Just listen to the drool coming from Ted Turner's mouth of the south and you can tell who he hired in the first place. If your traveling overseas watch cNN International one time and you will boycott the network as I do into oblivion.
_________________ Retired AF E-8
Independent that leans right of center. |
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kate Admin
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1891 Location: Upstate, New York
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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that would be the same Easton Jordon that slept with Saddam’s government in order to maintain CNN’s Bagdad bureau
Reporting some of what we know
Rich Tucker
April 12, 2003
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richtucker/rt20030412.shtml
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Quote: | Reporters want to be anywhere news is happening. Sometimes, they face great danger. In Iraq, for example, at least ten journalists have been killed so far.
But it doesn’t do much good to have a reporter somewhere if he/she can’t actually report what’s happening. That’s why Eason Jordan’s op-ed piece in the April 11 New York Times is such a shock and such a disappointment. Jordan is the chief news executive at CNN.
…. “Over the last dozen years,” he writes, “I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard — awful things that could not be reported.” Jordan goes on to detail beatings he knew about and the torture of some Iraqi employees of CNN.
….“I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan.”
If that’s not a story, what is? The leader of one country is planning to kill the leader of another. CNN had the exclusive because of Jordan’s reporting. CNN suppressed it. |
Jordon’s op-ed referred to above(subs)
The News we Kept to Ourselves The New York Times | 4/11/03 | Eason Jordan
can be found here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892613/posts
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Quote: | “Then there were the events that were not unreported but that nonetheless still haunt me. A 31-year-old Kuwaiti woman, Asrar Qabandi, was captured by Iraqi secret police occupying her country in 1990 for "crimes," one of which included speaking with CNN on the phone. They beat her daily for two months, forcing her father to watch. In January 1991, on the eve of the American-led offensive, they smashed her skull and tore her body apart limb by limb. A plastic bag containing her body parts was left on the doorstep of her family's home.
I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me.“
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this guy ain't gonna survive the pajama patrolers in the blogosphere.. _________________ .
one of..... We The People |
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Tom Poole Vice Admiral
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 914 Location: America
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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kate wrote: | ...this guy ain't gonna survive the pajama patrolers... |
He ain't gonna have to see it again either, thanks to the troops who cleaned out the squamulose bottom feeders who once ruled Iraq. Maybe he ought to thank our heroes personally, and Bush and FOX News and SVPT and Rumsfeld and Franks and... _________________ '58 Airedale HMR(L)-261 VMO-2 |
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Uisguex Jack Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 613
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm gonna give this story some time before I come to any conclusion at all.
Well except I am allready very suspicious of the nature and wagging spin thus far.
I've heard over and over this story referenced as being a 'big deal on the 'new media'' Blah, blah, blah..... blogosphere. This reference coming from near Icons of the 'old media'.
My first guess is this could be a attempt by CNN or who ever has got this dog by the tail and is shaking vigoursly enough to make the odd splash.... they may be attempting to discredit 'bloggers' in general.
Make not mistake about it there will be retribution for the exposure of Dan Rather, and this story could be a shot at that. Time will tell.
However there are a few opportunities which come up from time to time where I know I might 'target' a jounalist. Like when they are orginizing the enemy to fight against you:
http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17587&highlight=i+led+iraqi+army
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/11/23/iraq_adventure/index.html |
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Beatrice1000 Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1179 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Washington Times editorial: “CNN’s Line of Fire” (2/4/05)
In war, mistakes happen and innocents are often killed. For journalists covering the action, the risk is extremely high. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, 36 were killed in Iraq between 2003 and 2004, some unfortunately as a result of U.S. fire. But were any of these journalists targeted for death, as CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan recently suggested?
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At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, during a discussion on media and democracy, Mr. Jordan apparently told the audience that "he knew of 12 journalists who had not only been killed by U.S. troops in Iraq, but they had in fact been targeted,"…..
In November, as reported in the London Guardian, Mr. Jordan said, "The reality is that at least 10 journalists have been killed by the U.S. military, and according to reports I believe to be true journalists have been arrested and tortured by U.S. forces." This is very serious stuff, if true. Yet aside from Mr. Jordan's occasional comments, there's no evidence to support it.
Mr. Jordan's almost immediate backpedaling seems to confirm this. In a statement to blogger Carol Platt Liebau, Mr. Jordan said, "To be clear, I do not believe the U.S. military is trying to kill journalists in Iraq. I said so during the forum panel discussion. But, nonetheless, the U.S. military has killed several journalists in Iraq in cases of mistaken identity." He added, "three of my CNN colleagues and many other journalists have been killed on purpose in Iraq." He didn't elaborate by whom. ..…
Doubtlessly, Mr. Jordan's unsubstantiated comments play well for CNN's international anti-American audience, who grasp at anything damaging to America's reputation. If the CPJ information is wrong, however, we'd like to see the evidence from Mr. Jordan. Otherwise, how can CNN justify keeping on staff someone who maligns our troops with rumor and innuendo?
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redleg2 Seaman Recruit
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 21
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I can understand US journalists may have been targetted by US forces if the journalists were covering the war from the aspect of the terrorists, that is, if the journalists were actually in terrorist battle positions. I understand that there may be a few western journalists who are turncoats covering the war from the "other side". |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Scott Ott gets it right at Scrappleface.com
Pentagon Sets Rules of Engagement for Journalists
by Scott Ott
(2005-05-0 -- Spurred by CNN executive Eason Jordan's accusations that U.S. troops have targetted journalists in Iraq, the Pentagon today issued revised rules of engagement for encounters between U.S. forces and the members of the news media.
Under the new guidelines, U.S. troops will first offer journalists an opportunity to throw down their cameras and notebooks and approach with hands raised.
"We're there to kill terrorists, not journalists," said an unnamed Pentagon official. "The new rules are designed to make it easier for our personnel to distinguish between the two, since they're often found together and have similar objectives."
Once in captivity, the so-called Prisoners Of Undetermined Loyalty Embedded with Terrorists (POULET), will be treated according to the Geneva Conventions, although the Justice Department has yet to rule on their official status. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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DLI78 PO3
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 273
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Did CNN's Eason Jordan suggest the U.S. targets journalists?
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I don't know if we're targeting journalists or not, but come to think of it, it IS a damn good idea.
You just have to ask yourself one question: Are you wasting a perfectly good bullet on a whining mosquito when there are plenty of terrorists to hunt? _________________ DLI 78
Army Linguist
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Tex Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 84
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Eason Jordan resigns _________________ "If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness." -- Theodore Roosevelt |
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kate Admin
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1891 Location: Upstate, New York
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:19 am Post subject: |
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! yes he did resign ...here's his statement , and links
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/02/11/esn_res.html
Quote: | This is the statement CNN put out:
After 23 years at CNN, I have decided to resign in an effort to prevent CNN from being unfairly tarnished by the controversy over conflicting accounts of my recent remarks regarding the alarming number of journalists killed in Iraq.
I have devoted my professional life to helping make CNN the most trusted and respected news outlet in the world, and I would never do anything to compromise my work or that of the thousands of talented people it is my honor to work alongside.
While my CNN colleagues and my friends in the U.S. military know me well enough to know I have never stated, believed, or suspected that U.S. military forces intended to kill people they knew to be journalists, my comments on this subject in a World Economic Forum panel discussion were not as clear as they should have been.
I never meant to imply U.S. forces acted with ill intent when U.S. forces accidentally killed journalists, and I apologize to anyone who thought I said or believed otherwise. I have great admiration and respect for the men and women of the U.S. armed forces, with whom I have worked closely and been embedded in Baghdad, Tikrit, and Mosul, in addition to my time with American soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen in Afghanistan, former Yugoslavia, Somalia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and the Arabian Gulf.
As for my colleagues at CNN, I am enormously proud to have worked with you, risking my life in the trenches with you, and making CNN great with you. For that experience, and for your friendship and support these many years, I thank you.
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also on yahoo news
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050211/ap_en_tv/tv_cnn_jordan_2
pajamapatrollers ^ _________________ .
one of..... We The People
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DADESID Seaman
Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 157
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Lotsa_Static wrote: | Quote: | Did CNN's Eason Jordan suggest the U.S. targets journalists?
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I don't know if we're targeting journalists or not, but come to think of it, it IS a damn good idea.
You just have to ask yourself one question: Are you wasting a perfectly good bullet on a whining mosquito when there are plenty of terrorists to hunt? |
Interesting.
During the 1864 battle at Cold Harbor, a journalist by the name of Edward Crapsey reported something he had "heard" about some advice General Meade had given to General Grant.
Meade took exception to the reporter's account, and forced Crapsey (ain't that a great name?) to ride under armed escort along the entire line of Union troops with a sign around his neck reading "Libeler of the Press".
It was noted that the troops wished "...to tear him limb from limb and strew him over the ground..."
Later, Meade remarked on how much this delighted his troops, "...for the race of newspaper correspondents is universally despised by the soldiers."
During the evacuation of Saigon in 1975, a group of Marines spotted a "journalist" and his cameraman concentrating on a Vietnamese man with a rifle aiming it at a fellow Marine. The cameraman was aiming his camera on the targeted Marine, obviously in hope of getting a shot of the bullet impact and blood spatter on film. Fortunately, the Marines were able to knock the ******* "journalists" to the ground, smash their camera, and... exercise the restraint we know we can depend upon from the American Military... |
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Slednfool Seaman
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 198 Location: New Brighton, MN
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Bloggers 2
MSM 0
Who's next? |
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kate Admin
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1891 Location: Upstate, New York
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Slednfool wrote: | Bloggers 2
MSM 0
Who's next? |
Ward Churchilll? _________________ .
one of..... We The People |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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kate wrote: | Slednfool wrote: | Bloggers 2
MSM 0
Who's next? |
Ward Churchilll? |
Ward Churchill doesn't need any help. Let him keep talking as he is self-destructing as he goes. The more he says, the more he shows what the kook left is all about. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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