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I B Squidly Vice Admiral
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: Navy to Commission Attack Submarine Jimmy Carter...WHY? |
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What possible constituency is the Navy trying to satisfy with this. Rykover is more deserving and it's a name not yet used. I mean, what did Jimmy ever do for the Navy? Salt and Peppers? Poverty wages?
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GenrXr Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 1720 Location: Houston
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Arrgghh... _________________ "An activist is the person who cleans up the water, not the one claiming its dirty."
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797), Founder of Conservative Philosophy |
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Tom Poole Vice Admiral
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: |
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I B Squidly wrote: | What possible constituency is the Navy trying to satisfy... |
Mother of God, please save me from this travesty. As important as the constituency, are there any sailors here who would be proud to serve on the USS Jimmy Carter? I'd like to know who was responsible for proposing and passing this absurd name for a fighting ship, er boat (my apologies, I was a Marine airedale). My God, in a futile campaign, he gave away our stealth secret in hopes of being reelected. This is no warrior and his name should not be associated with them. _________________ '58 Airedale HMR(L)-261 VMO-2 |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | President Carter is the only U.S. president to have qualified in submarines. He has distinguished himself by a lifetime of public service, and has long ties to the Navy and the submarine force. Carter graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1946, served as a commissioned officer aboard submarines, and served as commander-in-chief from 1977 to 1981. Carter's statesmanship, philanthropy and sense of humanity earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. |
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blue9t3 Admiral
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1246 Location: oregon
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Giiiivvvvvvee me a break! Why dont they name a shot down crop duster after him? or some sort of peanut barge? Maybe a peanut barge full of 16D nails and 2x4's so he can build habitats for ennemies? _________________ MOPAR-BUYER |
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gmez2001 PO3
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: |
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blue9t3 wrote: | Giiiivvvvvvee me a break! Why dont they name a shot down crop duster after him? or some sort of peanut barge? Maybe a peanut barge full of 16D nails and 2x4's so he can build habitats for ennemies? |
Geeeeez--
You hit that right on the 16 penny.
Need something like this to happen on another watch,i.e.; 2050. What about the USS Roy Hoffman or the USS John O'Neill?
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't they just name a gate in the Panama Canal after him.
When he's dead of course. _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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I am as conflicted as well, but you can't take away the fact he was a Naval Academy grad and was part of the Nuclear Submarine Navy. That is the thread. He at least reflected credit on the Navy unlike a certain candidate that spent 4 mo in a combat zone. I would blow my cork if a ship were to be christened the USS Slick Willy (probably a floating you know what). I think here we just have to grin and bear it and shake our heads. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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coldwarvet Admiral
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 1125 Location: Minnetonka, MN
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Carter was a disaster he gave away the Panama Canal and welcomed home the dodgers while ignoring those who served in Vietnam. In 1976 with my p38 (can opener) I opened a can stamped 1970 to a nice serving of cold ham & eggs. And then for good measure the Carter administration froze our pay and then my leave time. Moral had reached a new low under his command.
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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coldwarvet wrote: | Carter was a disaster he gave away the Panama Canal and welcomed home the dodgers while ignoring those who served in Vietnam. In 1976 with my p38 (can opener) I opened a can stamped 1970 to a nice serving of cold ham & eggs. And then for good measure the Carter administration froze our pay and then my leave time. Moral had reached a new low under his command.
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Carter was the most inept President we ever had. Malaise, rampant inflation, interest rates over 20% and cabinet people who did what they felt like. Do you recall Billy peeing on airplane tires, gas lines and oil shortages? He gave us the Dept of Education and unionized Gummint Employees and so on and on.... The only thing I am grateful to him for is he, Jimmuh, convinced me I was no Liberal Democrat. I was lost till Ronaldus Magnus came by and renewed my faith and I became a Republican. I will admit having voted for Jimmuh and have paid the price. I changed Nov of 1980. The best thing about Carter was, he left office. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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1991932 Lance Corporal
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 381 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: tough issue |
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I B Squidly posed the question "...Jimmy Carter...WHY?", so here's my take:
The fact that civilians control the military in America has always bothered veterans. Remember Robert McNamara's micro-management of the war in Viet Nam? We couldn't attack many targets in the north without his explicit approval. That was efficient. NOT!
So we have a system where nitwits make life-or-death decisions as well as choose unpopular names for our warships. I'll take that over a society that is controlled by the military.
This business of departing from Naval tradition in naming ships first troubled me when JFK was assassinated and we got an aircraft carrier named after him. Much of the country detested the man, but we probably all accept the decision now that three decades have passed.
But then I turned around in the 1980's and discovered that we have an aircraft carrier named after a living congressman {USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70)}, and still ten years later, another one named after a living senator {USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74)}. Neither man, no matter how deserving of the honor, never spent a day in the military. At least Jimmy Carter was a veteran and Commander in Chief.
Take solace in the fact that we'll never have a USS John F. Kerry, although it's rumored that the French are considering such a move. And the US Navy is still pondering what ship would be worthy of the moniker USS Wiliiam J. Clinton. But that's another topic.
As Walter Cronkite used to inform us: "That's the way it is."
Is this a great country, or what? _________________ Former "War Criminal" |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: tough issue |
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1991932 wrote: |
Take solace in the fact that we'll never have a USS John F. Kerry, although it's rumored that the French are considering such a move. And the US Navy is still pondering what ship would be worthy of the moniker USS Wiliiam J. Clinton. But that's another topic.
As Walter Cronkite used to inform us: "That's the way it is."
Is this a great country, or what? |
Do the French still have a real Navy?
One can only wonder what kind of craft the Slick Willy ship would have to be. I recall some time ago when the Ronald Reagan was christened, we had some fun somewhere speculating. It got quite funny. God forbid it ever should happen. As for a Kerry ship, I don't think the Navy uses Luxury sailing yachts or windsurfing boards.. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, Just reminiscing. Remember when Jimmuh fought off the attack of the Killer Rabbit at the old fishing hole??? It was touch and go for awhile as I recall. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of reminiscing, did any of you have a can or two of Billy Beer around? I kept them for a while and eventually threw them out. Bet some looney lefty would pay a lot for them on Ebay these days |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Rdtf wrote: | Speaking of reminiscing, did any of you have a can or two of Billy Beer around? I kept them for a while and eventually threw them out. Bet some looney lefty would pay a lot for them on Ebay these days |
It was swill. Back in the early 80s a lot of idiots were paying big bucks when a collector craze peaked, but not since. I remember seeing newspaper ads for 6 packs at $125 or more. I have a Stroh's can I bought and consumed at Billy's Service Station back in 82 or so, but that is not for sale. Probably get a quarter for it. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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