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Tom Poole
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| snipe wrote: | | Why don't they just name a gate in the Panama Canal after him.... |
Because, just maybe, the Chinese have no more use for him? I have to agree with the majority on this one. This country has many who are more deserving of such an honor.
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shawa
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I think its probable Teddy Kennedy promoted this travesty. The liberals were chagrined by the
commissioning of the Ronald W. Reagan, and this is their counterpunch.
As Zell Miller said, "What's it going to shoot, SPITBALLS?"
http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=5F724A1D-35CF-4AAE-817B-AC1E0B6A853C
| Quote: | Ceremony For Jimmy Carter Is Saturday
Former CIA Chief To Deliver Speech At Sub's Commissioning
By ROBERT A. HAMILTON
Day Staff Writer, Navy/Defense/Electric Boat
Published on 2/16/2005
Groton — Retired Adm. Stansfield Turner, a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, will be the keynote speaker as the Jimmy Carter is commissioned at 11 a.m. Saturday at Pier 17 at the Naval Submarine Base.
President Carter, the ship's namesake, and his wife, Rosalynn, who is the ship's sponsor, will also attend the ceremony. Navy Secretary Gordon R. England will formally put the ship into commission.
It will also likely be the last submarine commissioned in Connecticut for a number of years. The Virginia-class submarines that are now in production are usually commissioned in the state they are named for, or at least as close to that state as possible.
Virginia, for instance, was commissioned last year in Norfolk, Va. The next ships of the class are the Texas, Hawaii, North Carolina, New Hampshire and New Mexico.
The ship is named for the 39th president of the United States, who was the only president ever to have served in the submarine force.
Carter earned a degree from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1946 and was chosen for the nuclear program. He was senior officer of the pre-commissioning crew of the first Seawolf nuclear submarine, the SSN 575, which was commissioned in 1957. He left the Navy when his father died in 1953 to attend to the family's business.
Jimmy Carter is the third and final Seawolf-class submarine, though it is so heavily modified that officials at Electric Boat, where it was built, put it in a class by itself.
When the ship was nearing completion, the Navy and EB reached an agreement to put a 100-foot, 2,500-ton section in the middle of the ship that will give it a sort of “bomb-bay” capability, at a cost of $887 million.
The special section will give the Jimmy Carter the capability to deploy underwater drones and other equipment much larger than can be deployed by a conventional nuclear submarine. It will also have the capability to embark dozens of Special Forces commandos.
Jimmy Carter also has unique “ocean-engineering” capabilities, which means it will be able to do research and recovery work on the ocean bottom. It is designed to take the place of the Parche, which for years was the Navy's premier spy submarine.
Because of the highly classified nature of the work it will do, Jimmy Carter will be homeported at Naval Station Kitsap in Bangor, Wash., the Parche's former homeport. The ship is expected to transfer to the Pacific fleet late this year.
Capt. Robert D. “Don” Kelso, a native of Fayetteville, Tenn., and a 1983 graduate of Virginia Polytechnic Institute, commands the crew of 14 officers and 126 enlisted men. |
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kman
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Good Lord. They named an ATTACK submarine after an inept pacifist who wrung his hands while countries fell. What were they thinking?
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shawa
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| Quote: | | Hey, Just reminiscing. Remember when Jimmuh fought off the attack of the Killer Rabbit at the old fishing hole??? It was touch and go for awhile as I recall. |
Heh,heh,heh! I remember that!
Wonder if this sub will be equipped with anti-rabbit weapons. |
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GoophyDog
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If memory serves, Lt. Jimmy Carter was one of the few that volunteered and worked in cleaning up a near disaster at a nuke site I believe this was at the old Argonne facility where an accident took the lives of two (or more?).
Carter volunteered to enter the contaminated area to effect repairs to the systems.
Again, memory is shakey here but it popped up in my mind reading this thread. Sure, Carter was totally inept as a president and unfortunately dove off the deep end in recent years but no matter what you say or think, there is a core there that has shown bravery (his acts as a Lt.) and compassion (his work in habitats for humanity). While I do agree that perhaps this naming of a boat is over the top, to denegrate him completely is, in my opinion, out of order.
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| GoophyDog wrote: | If memory serves, Lt. Jimmy Carter was one of the few that volunteered and worked in cleaning up a near disaster at a nuke site I believe this was at the old Argonne facility where an accident took the lives of two (or more?).
Carter volunteered to enter the contaminated area to effect repairs to the systems.
Again, memory is shakey here but it popped up in my mind reading this thread. Sure, Carter was totally inept as a president and unfortunately dove off the deep end in recent years but no matter what you say or think, there is a core there that has shown bravery (his acts as a Lt.) and compassion (his work in habitats for humanity). While I do agree that perhaps this naming of a boat is over the top, to denegrate him completely is, in my opinion, out of order. |
That's what I was trying to say earlier. His Navy service in particular was notable and he acquitted himself well as far as I know and I for one will not denigrate nor detract from it .
Presidency is another matter.
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coldwarvet
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| GoophyDog wrote: | If memory serves, Lt. Jimmy Carter was one of the few that volunteered and worked in cleaning up a near disaster at a nuke site I believe this was at the old Argonne facility where an accident took the lives of two (or more?).
Carter volunteered to enter the contaminated area to effect repairs to the systems.
Again, memory is shakey here but it popped up in my mind reading this thread. Sure, Carter was totally inept as a president and unfortunately dove off the deep end in recent years but no matter what you say or think, there is a core there that has shown bravery (his acts as a Lt.) and compassion (his work in habitats for humanity). While I do agree that perhaps this naming of a boat is over the top, to denegrate him completely is, in my opinion, out of order. |
Any bravery Carter showed with a potential nuclear melt down was probably brought on by thoughts of suicide in the event that the problem could not be neutralized.
And as far as Habitat for Humanity Jimmy Carter is just one of the many voulenteers.
http://www.habitatlb.com/habitatlb/Fr_habfacts.html
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| GM Strong wrote: | | ...Remember when Jimmuh fought off the attack of the Killer Rabbit... |
OK GM, just for those of us who missed this one, what's it all about?
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Poole wrote: | | GM Strong wrote: | | ...Remember when Jimmuh fought off the attack of the Killer Rabbit... |
OK GM, just for those of us who missed this one, what's it all about? |
http://rabbiteyes.com/killerbunny.html
It was quite the story and a lot of humor generated at the time.
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Jerald L. Parsoneault
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My view is that former Commander-in-Chief Jimmy Carter gave up his right to any and all military honors, including the naming of a submarine after him, when he publically criticized and undermined the current Commander-in-Chief in a time of war in front of the fighting troops no less. When I was at the Naval Academy one of the things they taught us from day one was to "reprove in private." Apparently Jimmy Carter forgot this adage in his zeal to make the President look bad.
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GenrXr
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Joe Scarborough is going to discuss this on his show tonight. Tune in.
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GM Strong
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| Jerald L. Parsoneault wrote: | My view is that former Commander-in-Chief Jimmy Carter gave up his right to any and all military honors, including the naming of a submarine after him, when he publically criticized and undermined the current Commander-in-Chief in a time of war in front of the fighting troops no less. When I was at the Naval Academy one of the things they taught us from day one was to "reprove in private." Apparently Jimmy Carter forgot this adage in his zeal to make the President look bad.
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Carter and Clinton both ignored the custom that fromer Presidents do not comment or critisize policies and actions of serving Prsidents. Bush 41 honored this though I'm sure at times he would have liked to have not. Carter the Inept and Clinton the Corrupt have no such scruples. Disappointing in the case of Jimmuh, expected from Slick Willy.
For chuckles, here is Scrappleface's Scott Ott on the situation:
(Probably designed by Smurf engineers)
Jimmy Carter Attack Sub Armed with Nerf Missiles
by Scott Ott
(2005-02-16) -- The U.S. Navy on Saturday will commission its newest nuclear-powered attack submarine, the Jimmy Carter, with many new features, including multiple-warhead Nerf missiles.
President Carter, who brought peace to the middle east, vigorously defended America's right to give away the Panama Canal and, in 1994, convinced North Korea to abandon talking about its nuclear weapons, said he's honored to have his name on "one of the most powerful peacemaking devices on earth."
Jimmy Carter is the first of the American Seahare-class subs, featuring a high-tech sonar system which alerts enemy forces to its presence and a safety device on the Nerf missiles which allows firing only after an enemy missile impact.
"This new generation of nuclear submarines is designed to use trust in our enemies as our first line of defense," said an unnamed Navy spokesman.
President Carter has invited leaders from North Korea and Iran to the commissioning ceremony, during which former First Lady Rosalyn Carter, in a time-honored Navy tradition, will give the first order to "man our ship, bring her to life then park her over there by the dock!"
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AMOS
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: LBJ or Peanut man? |
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Carter the worst? LBJ was just as bad. Imagine either one as your Commander-In-Chief in time of war. I've often said, the death of JFK was the worst thing to happen to me and the other Vietnam vets as well as the South Vietnamese. "I come to you with a heavy heart................" remember that? Totally inept. Way over his head. If I could just get ONE hand on Lee Harvey Oswald.
And his wife's name was............Lady Bird? |
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kman
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Frankly, I'm surprised Carter would even allow a ship (boat) of war to be named after him. It doesn't seem fair to his legacy (of hand wringing) or to the boat's crew. Shoot, it would be more menacing if it were named the Good Boat Lollipop.
Can't we just name some wealth-redistributing Federal office building after him?
Apologies and Godspeed to the boat's crew. May the boat kick ass despite the insulting name.
Kurt
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Darkhorse18
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| When were all the Carter pardons handed out? |
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