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GenrXr
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I heard Hollywierd is making a new Superman movie and wouldn't be surprised if they cast Karl Rove in the role of Lex Luther. 
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PhantomSgt
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| GenrXr wrote: | | I heard Hollywierd is making a new Superman movie and wouldn't be surprised if they cast Karl Rove in the role of Lex Luther. |
Sorry Xr, Carl has just signed a four picture deal to be the next "James Bond" in the soon to be released: "Cambodian Caper or Shove It Up Your Mekong”.
Apparently John McKerry has agreed to portray his heroic self as US Navy CIA Transportation Specialist John McKerrystein.
Former Governor John Dean has signed to play the infamous villain, Doctor Demented who has evil plans to rule the Democratic World.
Rove should fare well with the bevy of women booked for the movie:
Ann Coulter has agreed to portray CIA operative and Bond love interest, Ripe Pickins who is covertly transported into Cambodia by McKerrystein only to be abandoned. Will Bond rescue her?
Susan Sarandon has lobbied vigorously for the coveted role of Mrs. Demented and won the part as Evil Matriarch of the Demented family.
Hillary Rodham Clinton will perform a cameo role as the wife of Bill Clinton. Bill was unavailable for comment as he was in Bangkok Thailand receiving full body massage treatments for his aching back. The word is he injured himself carrying Hillary on his back all the way into the Senate.
Look for a summer 2006 release of this next Bond installment.
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| PhantomSgt wrote: | | GenrXr wrote: | | I heard Hollywierd is making a new Superman movie and wouldn't be surprised if they cast Karl Rove in the role of Lex Luther. |
Sorry Xr, Carl has just signed a four picture deal to be the next "James Bond" in the soon to be released: "Cambodian Caper or Shove It Up Your Mekong”.
Apparently John McKerry has agreed to portray his heroic self as US Navy CIA Transportation Specialist John McKerrystein.
Former Governor John Dean has signed to play the infamous villain, Doctor Demented who has evil plans to rule the Democratic World.
Rove should fare well with the bevy of women booked for the movie:
Ann Coulter has agreed to portray CIA operative and Bond love interest, Ripe Pickins who is covertly transported into Cambodia by McKerrystein only to be abandoned. Will Bond rescue her?
Susan Sarandon has lobbied vigorously for the coveted role of Mrs. Demented and won the part as Evil Matriarch of the Demented family.
Hillary Rodham Clinton will perform a cameo role as the wife of Bill Clinton. Bill was unavailable for comment as he was in Bangkok Thailand receiving full body massage treatments for his aching back. The word is he injured himself carrying Hillary on his back all the way into the Senate.
Look for a summer 2006 release of this next Bond installment.
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Is this an Oliver Stone movie?? I know he is a guy who insists on accuracy in role portrayals casting fiction as history. This would be too complicated for michael Mooron.
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Why does it matter where the documents came from (Lucy, Karl, Burkett), the fact remains that they could not be authenticated and therefore should not have been used and claimed as authentic.
It just goes to show you that the Dem's are beyond hope. Hinchey claims that he is against manipulation of the Press, but what he really means is he wants to find out who supplied the docs so they won't get caught next time.
Who supplied the docs is a non issue, the issue is Dan Rather running with a story while disregarding basic journalistic practices to influence the Presidential Election of the United States.
He should be arrested!!
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| gmez2001 wrote: | | ...another example of a delusional and paranoid Demo... |
I'm idly curious but did anyone hear Rep. Maurice Hinchey describe a close encounter of the third kind with Karl Rove?
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GM Strong
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This guy is a conundrum. The 22nd district is not in the city, but elects a city style Liberal. After this kooky allegation one wonders if he is in touch with Calypso Louis' mothership. He might better represent the 19th district.
Back Later: 19th Dist is Rep. Sue Kelly, a Republican. District includes Westchester Co., Putnam, Orange, Counties between NYC and the 22nd. How the 22nd elected a Lib kook deepens. Maybe they follow Washington State rules. NY politics is interesting at best.
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coldwarvet
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| GenrXr wrote: | | I heard Hollywierd is making a new Superman movie and wouldn't be surprised if they cast Karl Rove in the role of Lex Luther. |
Did you ever see "The Sting"? They were only able to pull off the operation because of the corruptible nature of their victims. If Karl Rove did manage to set up the MSM it is only because the MSM has become corrupted thus becoming easy mark.
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joe_madeup
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SBD wrote: | Why does it matter where the documents came from (Lucy, Karl, Burkett), the fact remains that they could not be authenticated and therefore should not have been used and claimed as authentic.....
Who supplied the docs is a non issue, the issue is Dan Rather running with a story while disregarding basic journalistic practices to influence the Presidential Election of the United States.....
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It matters because forging government documents is legally a crime (at least in Texas). While bad journalism is only a civil case (libel/slander), and rightly so.
That means, whoever forged the docs is more culpable than Rather - no matter how willing/eager Rather may have been, to be led down the garden path.
If law enforcement doesn't find out who forged, certain congresspeople like Hinchey will doubtless make their smears for decades to come.
P.S. It's a little weird, for me at least, to see some comments in this forum allowing a possibility that Karl Rove might have done it, and semi-excusing him "if he did". Number one, there is basically no way Rove could be Rather's "unimpeachable source" (so why are we joining Hinchey?). Number two, the party who forged deserves to be exposed, **no matter who it turns out to be**.
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I can't get too worked up about the legalities on this as it is not of anything within my control.
Many years ago at what used to be an institution of higher learning a clever prank was perpetrated. I and some cohorts were given credit and when we denied it, nobody believed us. They still persisted in being impressed by the prank. They guys who did do it eventually confided they had done it and could not get blamed or credit no matter what. They were frustrated.
Blather and Burkett are toast and everything has blown up on them and the MSM. Justice served. If Kooks want to blame Karl Rove, Karl should just grin and say "OK, show me how I did it." They more they try to explain it the dumber they look. As Rush says, "When sombody wants to make a fool of himself, get out of the way and let them."
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joe_madeup
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I hear where you're coming from.
I just don't think altering a Presidential election (with potentially life-shattering results) is like a prank. |
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_madeup wrote: | I hear where you're coming from.
I just don't think altering a Presidential election (with potentially life-shattering results) is like a prank. |
My prank allegory is just to get my idea across. I agree the thing was no prank. The document thing was a bungling inept mess that blew up in their face. You are absolutely right on the attempt to mess with the election, but that is a separate issue. CBS News and Blather need to be accountable on that. They did that without any prompting from Karl, certain Presidential campaign hacks of the Kerry sort are invlved though.
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GM Strong
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Sean Hannity just got done trying talk with this clown Rep. Maurice Hinchey D-22nd Dist NY.  He is crazier than Howlin' Howie and Cynthia McKinney put together.  Sean asked him several times for his evidence Re: Karl Rove. The kook ranted for minutes on end never answering the question. Sean told him he was unhinged and had no evidence and the guy still would not acknowledge a thing.  The nutcase kept on taking even after Sean terminated the whole conversation. I can't believe this guy is a Congressman. This man has a problem in dealing with reality. People of the 22nd District in NY should be appalled and embarrassed that they have such a whacked out guy representing them.  He belongs in San Francisco or a Michael Moron movie. His lunacy is nothing but stunning. AAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!
Ohmigod, Sean went to a break and came back and the guy was still there ranting. He's playing the Twilight Zone theme and the loon is still on. He's frighteniing. DOO-DOO  DOO-DOO DOO-DOO DOO-DOO
Post Script: Sean returns from the top of the hour news break and the clod is still on the phone. He had made some kind of threat to Hannity and refused to apologize. Sean did not specify, but told this kook of a legislator if he attempted to make good on his threat he would broadcast it as the entire episode was recorded. Is this what kind of people Democrats want representing them?
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Really curious coincidence in this NRO story:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/murray200502240814.asp
It is about documents used to attack Lily, the pharmaceutical manufacturer of Prozac, in a British medical journal. Lily was not able to get copies of the documents (in order to examine the charges) directly from the medical journal, but who managed to get copies for Lily? The very same Congresso-whacko, Hinchey!!! How and why did he get them?
Get a load of the sordid details:
| Quote: | | A prime example is the British Medical Journal (BMJ), which recently published a news story that suggested that Eli Lilly, the makers of Prozac, had failed to disclose links between the drug and violent behavior and suicide. The story alleges that certain documents detailing the alleged links — and provided to the BMJ by an anonymous source — had not been shared with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and had gone "missing" during the trial of man charged with murder in 1994. In a strongly worded response, Lilly pointed out that the documents had been in general circulation for years. In fact, the BMJ's one example of missing scientific data had been published by Lilly in the Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology in 1992! The BMJ refused to allow Lilly to review the documents prior to publishing the story; Lilly was only able to do so after obtaining copies from Democratic congressman Maurice Hinchey of New York, who had received copies from the BMJ. Moreover, the BMJ told Lilly that it would have an opportunity to discuss the issue further after the Christmas holidays — but then went ahead and issued its story on January 1; it also sent the documents to the FDA. |
This caused me to pause, and to wonder if this "covert operative" in Congressonal disguise may have been the real source of the forged Rather documents. If he is nuts, it is in keeping with several theories in forensic psychiatry that he really craves the "glory" of being caught.
Might that not explain his preposterous "expose" rantings?? 
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SBD
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_madeup wrote: | | SBD wrote: | Why does it matter where the documents came from (Lucy, Karl, Burkett), the fact remains that they could not be authenticated and therefore should not have been used and claimed as authentic.....
Who supplied the docs is a non issue, the issue is Dan Rather running with a story while disregarding basic journalistic practices to influence the Presidential Election of the United States.....
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It matters because forging government documents is legally a crime (at least in Texas). While bad journalism is only a civil case (libel/slander), and rightly so.
That means, whoever forged the docs is more culpable than Rather - no matter how willing/eager Rather may have been, to be led down the garden path. |
That is not true because the actual harm occured when Dan Rather and CBS broadcast the forge documents knowing they could not be authenticated. The documents themselves did not cause injury or become a fraud until they were used to make viewers believe they were real.
Do you seriously believe Rather was led down the wrong path?? Give me a break. They had numerous indications that the memos were fake and even when faced with more and more facts, they continued to stand behind their reporting.
In California that would make Dan and the CBS gang coconspirator's in fraud and forgery. That is why it doesn't matter who made the docs because the docs themselves did not cause injury until they were broadcast on National TV less than a month before a Presidential Election with the purpose of altering the outcome of the election.
Here is a forgery charge from New Jersy as an example.
Any person who, with purpose to defraud or injure anyone, or with knowledge that he/she is facilitating a fraud or injury to be perpetrated by anyone
alters or changes any writing of another without his/her authorization
OR
makes, completes, executes, authenticates, issues or transfers any writing so that it purports to be the act of another who did not authorize that act or of a fictitious person, or to have been executed at a time or place in a numbered sequence other than was in fact the case, or to be a copy of an original when no such original existed
OR
Utters any writing which he/she knows to be forged in a manner specified above is guilty of a crime.
In order to meet its burden of proof, the State must prove the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
The first element that the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt is
1) that defendant altered or changed the writing of another without that person's authorization. To alter means to make a change in or to modify.
OR
1) that defendant made, completed, executed, authenticated, issued or transferred any writing so that it purported to be
(a) the act of another who did not authorize the act OR
(b) the act of a fictitious person OR
(c) to have been executed at a time or place in a numbered sequence other than was in fact the case OR
(d) to be a copy of an original where no such original existed.
OR
1) that defendant uttered any writing which he/she knew to be forged. [Here set forth manner in which State alleges forgery occurred]. To utter a writing means to put or send into circulation and includes displaying of a forged document even without having made or issued the document.
A "writing" includes printing or any other method of recording information, money, coins, tokens, stamps, seals, credit cards, badges, trademarks, access devices and other symbols of value, right, privilege or identification.
The second element that the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that defendant acted with the purpose to defraud or injure or with the knowledge that the defendant is facilitating a fraud or injury.
A person acts purposely with respect to the nature of his/her conduct or the result of that conduct if it his/her conscious object to engage in conduct of that nature or to cause such a result. A person acts purposely with respect to attendant circumstances if the person is aware of the existence of such circumstances or believes or hopes that they exist. "With purpose," "designed," "with design," or equivalent terms have the same meaning.
A person acts knowingly with respect to the nature of his/her conduct or the attendant circumstances if he/she is aware that his/her conduct is of that nature, or that such circumstancesexist, or he/she is aware of a high probability of their existence. A person acts knowingly with respect to a result of his/her conduct if he/she is aware that it is practically certain that his/her conduct will cause such a result. "Knowing," "with knowledge," or equivalent terms have the same meaning.
To defraud means to deprive a person of property or any interest, estate, or right by deceit, artifice, trickery or cheat. To injure means to cause any damage that may ensue to the good name, standing, position or general reputation of the purported author of the statement. It may also mean to misrepresent or injuriously affect the sentiments, opinions, conduct, character, prospects, interest or rights of another.1
Purposely or knowingly are states of mind and cannot be seen and can only be determined by inference from conduct, words or acts. Therefore, it is not necessary that witnesses be produced by the State to testify that a defendant said that he/she purposely or knowingly did something. His/her purpose or knowledge may be gathered from his/her acts and his/her conduct and from all he/she said and did at the particular time and place and from all the surrounding circumstances reflected in the testimony.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Did Karl Rove Set Up Dan Rather With the Bush Guard Stor |
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The part of the story I left as your old quote says it all, so why would you even ask if Karl Rove set up Dan Rather?
| Rdtf wrote: | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148334,00.html
Hinchey, however, said he has no evidence to back up his claim. |
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