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SBD
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject: Calling All Veterans and Citizens ---Plea For Your Help!! Reply with quote

Please help the Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) and other concerned groups and citizens to save the 43-foot tall cross that was erected atop Mt. Soledad in San Diego, California 50 years ago to honor our nation’s veterans by signing the petition below! An ACLU backed atheist has waged a 15-year court battle to force the removal of the famous cross. A federal court has ordered San Diego to remove the cross. However, one option remains.


MT. SOLEDAD MUST BE DECLARED A NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK!

If you agree that the Mount Soledad cross should remain atop Mt. Soledad, where it has stood for over 50 years, please join your fellow Americans in asking government officials to declare Mt. Soledad a national historic landmark. Our nations veterans, and all Americans who take pride in our honoring our veterans with these historic symbols NEED your help today!

The results of this petition drive will be presented to:

President George W. Bush Anthony Principi
Vice President Dick Cheney Secretary of Veterans Affairs

Gale A. Norton Senator Rick Santorum
Secretary of the Interior Senate Republican Conference Chairman

Senator Bill Frist Honorable Duke Cunningham
Senate Majority Leader United States House of Representatives

Honorable Duncan Hunter Honorable Darrel Issa
United States House of Representatives United States House of Representatives

Mayor of San Diego City Council of San Diego



Petition to Designate the Mt. Soledad Cross and
The Mount Soledad Veterans War Memorial a National Memorial



Whereas, federal law authorizes the designation of official national memorials;
Whereas, crosses have been erected on top of Mount Soledad, San Diego, California, in one form or another since 1913;
Whereas, a 43 foot concrete cross was erected in 1954 on top of Mount Soledad in honor and recognition of the men and women of the Armed Forces of the United States who served in the Korean War;
Whereas, The War Memorial has now become a tribute to veterans of the Armed Forces of the United States who served our nation in any of its wars;
Whereas, the Mount Soledad Cross and The Mount Soledad Veterans War Memorial represents our collective admiration and respect for veterans from all wars who have honorably served our nation in the Armed Forces;
Whereas, President George W. Bush in a letter dated May 22, 2001 considered the Mount Soledad War Memorial as a “…place to reflect on our past, be inspired by true American patriots, and offer war veterans our heartfelt gratitude for the freedom we all enjoy today.
Whereas, a federal lawsuit by an avowed atheist has resulted in a court order requiring the Mt. Soledad Cross to be removed, and designation of the site as a National Memorial would allow the Cross to remain;
We therefore, urge you to take the necessary steps to designate the Mt. Soledad Cross and the Mt. Soledad Veterans War Memorial a National Memorial.

Click Here To Sign Petition

We need all the help we can get. The judge has ordered the cross be removed within 90 days. Roger Hedgecock has formed a CHAIN GANG of volunteers to chain themselves to the cross to stop the removal but this will only be a temporary solution. We need this petition signed by as many people as possible. Please post a link to the petition on every blog and forum you can. With everyone's help, we can show this atheist the Power of God in all of us.

Thank You,

SBD
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I copied and sent this to everyone on my email list -
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Cross Reply with quote

Signed,emailed to my groups and gone.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived about a half mile away from that cross when I went to high
school. La Jolla Rancho Rd. I graduated from high school in '59 and
never really went back to that F'en town. That's one place that I would
dearly LOVE to see slide into the ocean and cheer every time another
chunk does go in the drink. Since they put that University (UCSD) up
at La Jolla Junction in the '60s they turned that town into one of the
most overpriced pieces of real estate in the country. All the time that
I lived up there by that cross, it had only one main purpose. It was a
parking place where you took your date after a party or a dance. Of
course, if you were really serious about getting something, you went
to the site of UCSD which was Camp Callan in WWII. They still had the
streets in there but the brush covered it. You could slide your car under
the brush and just hide away. Good place for parties. The cross was
too easy to get caught by the cops when parking up there. But a
couple of hundred yards away on the north side of the TV antennas
was a concrete pill box complex also from WWII that was party central
for a couple of years before the cops found out about it.

Thanks for the rant.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snipe wrote:
I lived about a half mile away from that cross when I went to high
school. La Jolla Rancho Rd. I graduated from high school in '59 and
never really went back to that F'en town. That's one place that I would
dearly LOVE to see slide into the ocean and cheer every time another
chunk does go in the drink. Since they put that University (UCSD) up
at La Jolla Junction in the '60s they turned that town into one of the
most overpriced pieces of real estate in the country. All the time that
I lived up there by that cross, it had only one main purpose. It was a
parking place where you took your date after a party or a dance. Of
course, if you were really serious about getting something, you went
to the site of UCSD which was Camp Callan in WWII. They still had the
streets in there but the brush covered it. You could slide your car under
the brush and just hide away. Good place for parties. The cross was
too easy to get caught by the cops when parking up there. But a
couple of hundred yards away on the north side of the TV antennas
was a concrete pill box complex also from WWII that was party central
for a couple of years before the cops found out about it.

Thanks for the rant.


Well now it has more than one purpose, it has become a War Memorial.
Not to mention the thousands of tourists that visit the site every year for its' spectacular view and the beutiful 45 foot cross.



I grew up near the Mount Helix Cross which served the same purpose during high school, but not so much for a party but rather a romantic place under the stars to bring your girl. One time I illegally parked my car and when I came down the hill, a cop was kicking my tires trying to set off the alarm. I got mad which didn't really help. He gave me two tickets, 1 for parking illegally and 1 for disobeying the sign that said no parking. I have been very nice to Police ever since.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't the ACLU and their athiest supporters get their own hill top?

It is fun to contemplate what they could possibly display that would inspire others to join their cause.

In any event, the ACLU ought to have better things to do than undermine veterans who protect this nation's freedoms. Furthermore, those who believe the United States is a source of freedom in the world ought to turn their back on the ACLU and tell everyone to ignore the ranting and raving of the politically corrupt ACLU.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if we as vets could start a drive to ban the ACLU and NAACP

from taking on any case in the United States OF free America that has

anything to do with GOD OR COUNTRY ? Idea
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of that War Memorial was put up in the last 20 years. After those
idiots filed their lawsuit. Up until around 1975, it was just a cross with
a plain paved asphault one way road around it. There was nothing else
up there. When I was a kid the road was gravel. I hunted a LOT of
rabbits up around there and in the canyons.

I've been on the high school on-line e-mail list for the last 10 years and
we regularly hold continuing rants about that town in general and the
cross and the seals in particular. Mainly it's the gutless city council
and village council that are the problem. Then there's the California
Coastal Commission and the 9th US Circuit Court. The list goes on
forever.

I guess that what really torques me off is that I used to sit in the nook
at home with a straight view out of the window of Cass St. in Pacific
Beach. Then all of Mission Bay, Point Loma, NTC and MCRD just to
the left, San Diego Bay, the Mexican Islands, and, hard to the left,
Otay Mesa and Mexico. The idiot that has the house now has a nice
swimming pool (within 2 miles of some of the best swimming and
surfing beachs on the planet) with a 10 foot high, chain link security
fence covered with bougainvillea and shut out one of the most spectacular
views in San Diego.

Sorry, but I liked Southern California before they paved the place.
Now there's absolutely no reason at all for even a short visit to that
crowded and polluted place. Ya think that MCAS Miramar will be turned
into the next San Diego airport? Or maybe MCRD goes to extend the
runways at Lindberg Field?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:57 am    Post subject: Mt. Soledad... the view from the veteran community... Reply with quote

From the Office of the Veterans Journal...

If you are interested in reading the "veterans' perspective" please take the time to read our Current Issue covering the debate over Mt. Soledad.

We guarantee that this side of the story has NOT been covered by either the press or the radio demagogues.

Click here to go directly to the Current Issue: http://www.veteransjournal.net/cgi-bin/news/current_issue.cgi


Or go to our homepage: www.veteransjournal.net and click on "Current Issue"

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerald L. Parsoneault wrote:
Can't the ACLU and their athiest supporters get their own hill top?

But what would they put up there? A giant lottery ticket?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

San Diegans vote to save cross
75% resist ACLU effort to remove historic structure

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Posted: July 27, 2005

"After 15 years of adverse court rulings, the citizens of San Diego voted to save the city's historic Mt. Soledad cross.

The conflict arises from an ACLU lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the 29-foot concrete structure, which has been the center of a war memorial on city land since 1954.

According to an unofficial count, 75 percent of voters decided they want to transfer the city owned site to the federal government where it would be designated as a war memorial."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45472

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This BBC story was on Drudge yesterday. I do not mean to offend anyone but it is x-rated. It is only meant as an example of what would be acceptable to the ACLU and their atheist supporters. This is considered a "great find". I find it pornographic but I am considered judgemental about such things.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4713323.stm

I remember reading in World History that huge statues of this type were all over the place and worshipped as symbols of their "gods".

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerald L. Parsoneault wrote:
Can't the ACLU and their athiest supporters get their own hill top?

Nalt


Yes they do have their hill tops. Like the so called art depicting America going down the toilet. They are so proud of their potty humor. What a bunch of Juvenile delinquents.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc Farmer wrote:
Jerald L. Parsoneault wrote:
Can't the ACLU and their athiest supporters get their own hill top?

But what would they put up there? A giant lottery ticket?


Perhaps a statue of Jane Fonda pleasuring herself with a weapon of sorts with a caption reading "Make Love Not War"
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