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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connectio Reply with quote

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Scientology is a network of corporations, individual entities, associations and companies composed of members who have dedicated themselves to promote, support, and defend the late L. Ron Hubbard's teachings and goals. The aims of the Scientology New World Order network include using their "spiritual technology" to structure society so that the able can prosper:
A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology.
(Quote source: Scientology Founder: L. Ron Hubbard )
Hubbard's doctrines ingrain a new definition of morality into his followers:
"The ONLY concern for a Scientologist is to do every thing he or she can to help Scientology. All other concerns such as family, profession, society and even the law of the land, are trivia unless they might impact on Scientology." 1
Scientology demands that society agree with or at least be subservient to the policies of their "church." Whoever objects to Hubbard's teachings is considered to be a criminal in the eyes of the organization:
"People who attack Scientology are criminals."
--L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, author of Dianetics 2
Hubbard had no tolerance for bad publicity. Read his "beat their teeth in" ethics policy penned on Halloween Eve here: Hubbard's Ethics Policy . 
Gerry Armstrong made Hubbard's handwritten policy — as well as other damaging information about the organization — known to the public even after he reluctantly signed an agreement which required him to remain silent about Scientology. He was awarded a large sum of money as settlement for the horrible abuses he has suffered due to Scientology "fair game" tactics. Read about this in Gerry's own words here. Furious at these disclosures, Scientology has been legally retaliating against Armstrong for many years. 
Scientology's reputation for revenge usually enables them to accomplish their goals with little resistance. It is time to obey God and expose and oppose evil no matter who the perpetrators may be. God will protect us as we walk not after the flesh (self), but after the Spirit.
L. Ron Hubbard's idea of ethics included no compassion for followers who turned out to be an embarrassment to Scientology:
"You're here so you're a Scientologist. Now we're going to make you an expert auditor no matter what happens. We'd rather have you dead than incapable. " (HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965 REISSUED 15 JUNE 1970). 3
Lisa McPherson was a Scientologist who served Scientology from the age of 18 until her death at age 36. Lisa became incapable (Scientology claims she suffered a "psychotic break") and as a result, was subjected to the Scientology introspection rundown. She died due to complications resulting from severe dehydration after being held against her will for seventeen days at the Fort Harrison Hotel. See: The Life & Death of a Scientologist
L. Ron Hubbard's "we would rather have you dead than incapable" remark was in reference to those enslaved in Scientology, but its relevance to the drama in Clearwater Florida is evident. Indeed, Hubbard's death philosophy was echoed by the 2nd District Appeals judges who indicated that Terri Schiavo has only two choices: A miracle or death! [url=http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/for_the_life_of_terri_schiavo.html#The Plan Revealed Terri Schiavo Case]See: Disability is not an Option in the New World Order. [/url]
Scientology and Death
Scientologists do not view death in the same manner as the general population:
Of course death is not a big deal for Scientologists. It is called "dropping the body" and the body is regarded as a hindrance and a distraction. 4
Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, believed that when a man dies it simply means that his thetan (spirit) separates from his body. The thetan then "picks up another body" and lives again. L. Ron Hubbard's belief in reincarnation — which George Felos shares — is the foundation for his frightening doctrines about death and the disabled.
Scientologists believe that it is only through Scientology that the mechanics of death have been thoroughly understood. L. Ron Hubbard  boasted about Scientology's supposed superior knowledge of death:
"We are actually the first people that do know a great deal about death. It is one of the larger successes of Scientology." 5
The online book, The Phenomena of Death, reveals that L. Ron Hubbard believed that death, which he called "losing your body," was on the same level of importance as losing your pocketbook! 
In the book, History of Man, Hubbard wrote, 
" The possession of a ... body is a liability for through that body the being can be given pain, can be regimented by the routine demands of eating and care from harm ... Today we live in a vast cult called Worship the body. Medical doctors, school teachers, parents, traffic officers, the whole society unites into this war-cry, Care for the body." (Chapter 4) 6
Do Scientologists, who favor death rather than disability, play a significant role in the Terri Schiavo case? I believe the answer is "Yes." Clearwater Florida, especially downtown Clearwater, is Scientology's worldwide spiritual headquarters and main training ground. Th e Flag Service Organization, located in Clearwater, provides the highest level of Scientology training and is the largest single Scientology "church" in the world! Scientology brochures claim that Clearwater Florida has the "largest community of Scientologists in the world." Back in 1998, the "church" of Scientology generated from 1.5 to 2 million dollars of income per week! This material success enables them to maintain ownership of tens of millions of dollars worth of property (about 40 buildings) as well as many businesses:
To date, the church owns more than $50-million in Clearwater-area properties and is nearing completion of a $50-million Mediterranean Revival-style building nicknamed "Super Power." Additionally, the church now has 565 hotel rooms in and near downtown for visiting Scientologists who consider Clearwater their spiritual mecca.
(source: Scientologists Settle Death Suit )
It is not hard to understand why this organization wields so much control over Clearwater—including its officials. 7
florida officials and scientology]Florida Officials are Holding Hands with the "Church" of Scientology
Many Florida politicians and government officials have an accommodative relationship with Scientology. For example, Pinellas County Sheriff Everett Rice, along with "over 540 dignitaries and guests from throughout the Tampa Bay" attended the gala event on January 18, 2003: the 76th Anniversary of the Fort Harrison, Scientology's international religious retreat.
The guests included the Mayor (Brian Aungst), Deputy Mayor and City Commissioner of Clearwater, the Clearwater and Hillsborough County Commissioners, the Sheriff (Everett Rice) and Deputy Sheriff of Pinellas County, mayors from seven surrounding cities, a representative from the Florida State Attorney's office, two former state senators, the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives (Johnnie Byrd), hundreds of local judges, attorneys, top business executives and other opinion leaders from throughout the community.
(Quote source: Florida Politcians, Government Officials & Scientology )
Florida Governor Jeb Bush is also on friendly terms with the "church" of Scientology. He publicly endorsed and legitimized this already extremely wealthy organization by approving grants for one of their front organizations, the World Literacy Crusade—a Scientology reading program designed for public schools:
In October 2000, the World Literacy Crusade of Florida was one of the organizations in the Tampa Bay area to be presented with a grant of $10,000 from Verizon's “Tampa Bay Reads” program by Governor Jeb Bush. The grant was repeated in November 2001 at an event sponsored by the University of South Florida's College of Education and officiated by the Florida Secretary of Education, Jim Horne. 9
President Bush also assists in public relations for the "church" Scientology by endorsing and funding Narconon , the drug rehabilitation program run by the 'church' of Scientology:
The Church of Scientology™'s Narconon® program seems to be fairing well under the President's initiative. 10
The current mayor of Clearwater, Brian Aungst, Sr., strongly supports Scientology:
The current mayor of Clearwater is strongly supportive of Scientology, frequently attending anniversary and other public relations events at the Ft. Harrison hotel. ( Gabe Cazares on Scientology )
The Florida Bar Association is on cozy terms with Scientology. They have their meetings in Scientology's Fort Harrison Hotel!
The "church" of Scientology is not only extremely litigious, but they also are known for blackmailing judges to get the verdicts they favor. See:  Scientology's foolproof method of judge tampering , What Judges Have to Say about Scientology
Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, used litigation as a weapon with which to harass an opponent (anyone who resisted the Scientology agenda):
"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win."
--L. Ron Hubbard 11
<p align="center]Litigation: Scientology's Weapon
Florida law mandates that Terri Schiavo receive rehabilitation to help her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible, but the Pinellas County Court judges have consistently ruled against the law and in favor of Michael Schiavo's lawless agenda throughout the case. Like many concerned Americans, I have been deeply troubled at the fact that the judges in this Clearwater case are violating Florida guardian law statues and permitting Michael to commit felonies in a years-long effort to accomplish a public euthanasia precedent.&nbsp;
Euthanasia is illegal in all 50 states. How does one get away with committing a public euthanasia when it is clearly illegal? Answer: Trick the public into believing that euthanasia by omission is already legal. This was nearly accomplished! How many "Court-ordered Starvation," Headlines have you read? Assisted suicide is also not legal in Florida — not even in Clearwater.
Interestingly, ex-Scientologists who were high in the organization claim that committing felonies is a matter of "church" policy:
According to sworn testimonies from seemingly countless upper-level management Scientologists who have escaped the business, the "church" commits felonies as a matter of policy. So much so that several countries have designated Scientology a threat to their national security and monitor the "church" like they do any other crime syndicate. You may view many such testimonies at Operation Clambake.
<a name="michael schiavo scientologist][/url]No, Michael Schiavo does not necessarily have to be a Scientologist simply because he commits felonies regarding his guardianship duties. However, Michael's employment of Scientology tech against his incapable wife and his complete confidence that the Pinellas County Court system will protect him while he continually and flagrantly breaks Florida laws strongly suggest that he is involved in Scientology. The fact that he has never received any punishment for abusing , exploiting and neglecting a disabled adult&nbsp; indicates that someone or rather some organization which largely enjoys "above the law" status in&nbsp; Clearwater Florida is pulling legal strings on his behalf —and has been doing so for years.
<p align="center]Fair Game Policy&nbsp;
Pat Anderson, attorney for Robert and Mary Schindler, knows something about Scientologists and litigation. She referred to them as "the masters of Rambo litigation." During the time Pat Anderson was representing the former Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Joan Wood (Lisa McPherson case) she made a statement about their fair game policy:
If you are not a member of the church or an active supporter of the church, you are fair game for the church. And they will use litigation to silence their critics. They do not tolerate contrary opinion. 12 [bold emphasis added]
The fair game policy is used on anyone the Scientology organization deems an enemy:
ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed. 13
Terri Schindler Schiavo, a woman that Scientologists consider to be a "wog" of the incapable kind, is definitely "fair game." She is not a Scientologist and she is legally married to a man who shares L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy in at least one crucial area: desiring death over disability. Michael Schiavo's illegal pursuit of Terri's death instead of her rehabilitation is also in line with L. Ron Hubbard's diabolical value system.&nbsp;
Hubbard had a particular antipathy for Catholicism and singled out this religious group for possible destruction:
He told one friend that he had not decided whether to destroy the Catholic Church, or "merely start a new one." 14
Michael Schiavo has singled out one particular Catholic for destruction: Terri. His blatant disregard for Terri's religious wishes is obvious. Through the guise of the "court order" and "doctor's orders" his attorney blocked her priest from administering what Catholics refer to as the "last rites":
Attorney Deborah Bushnell told Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, who has been Terri's spiritual provider for three years, that ''because of court order and doctor's orders, you can't put anything in her mouth,'' not even a morsel of moistened communion wafer. 15
<p align="center]<a name="scientology against disabled][/url]Scientology: Against the Disabled
Scientology takes advantage of disabled people to further the goals of the organization:
"Pending charges against more than 100 of its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight, coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of mentally incapacitated people... "As long as the organization's opponents and victims are successfully squelched, Scientology's managers and lawyers will keep pocketing millions of dollars by helping it achieve its ends."
--Richard Behar, "Scientology: Cult of Greed and Power," Time, 5/6/91 16
L. Ron Hubbard had a low regard for the disabled, which he called downstats:
Hubbard considered handicapped people, and especially mentally handicapped people to be degraded beings, suffering from their transgressions in earlier lifetimes. His attitude about blacks is well known. ( Ex-Scientologists Speak )
All non-producers are considered to be downstats in Scientology. Downstats are not to be helped (Terri Schiavo is not being given state-mandated therapy!) and are penalized for the crime of non-production or "down statistics":&nbsp;
The course materials [written by Hubbard] warned managers never to be sympathetic to someone whose productivity numbers, or "statistics," were down. "We reward production and up statistics and penalize nonproduction and down statistics. ( Narconon Exposed )
Scientologists have even published textbooks which misrepresent disabled people:
"The books were not approved by the state because they misrepresented the disabled and minorities, state officials said. For example, disabled characters were shown with canes, representative more of the aging process than of a disability, said Ruth McKenna, the state's chief deputy superintendent of public instruction. A disabled character in the texts also was shown in a wheelchair alone, isolated from others. In addition, the books did not depict enough disabled people. 17
<p align="center]The Rule of Terri's Case is the Rule of Scientology
The fact that Terri Schiavo's case is being handled in an entirely different way from other guardianship cases has not escaped the notice of Pat Anderson, attorney for the Schindler family. Wesley J. Smith wrote:
THE "RULE OF TERRI'S CASE" has struck again. The term was coined by Pat Anderson, attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents Bob and Mary Schindler, who complained: "If following a legal procedure will likely result in Terri dying, it will be adhered to. But if a procedure could make that outcome more difficult to attain, it will not be followed."
Anderson's complaint has ample evidentiary support. For example, under Florida law, Terri should have a court-appointed guardian ad litem to exclusively represent her interests. But, Judge George Greer, of the Sixth Judicial Circuit, refused to allow one for Terri in the guardianship case ever since her first ad litem was dismissed after recommending that she not be dehydrated to death. 18
The "RULE OF TERRI'S CASE" is a declaration that Terri's case is being handled altogether differently from any other case in its category. Florida law has taken a backseat to the real power behind the rulings in this case!
Pat Anderson is an attorney, and as such is well aware that legal procedures are not being adhered to in this case. Much to the chagrin of the powers pulling the strings in Terri's case, legal procedures will not cause Terri Schiavo to die. That is why they are using illegal maneuverings in repeated attempts to "help" Terri lose what they consider to be her liability: her body. (Actually, her living body with evidences of abuse and serious neck injury is Michael Schiavo's liability!)&nbsp; It is certain that illegal maneuvers are keeping Terri in a state of deteriorating health with no therapy! It is Michael Schiavo's backers who are are wielding such ominous control over the Pinellas County Court system.&nbsp;
<p align="center]Terri Is Being Held in Scientology-controlled Downtown Clearwater: Her Health is Deteriorating
The Hospice Patients Alliance March 25, 2004 Newsletter informs us of Terri Schiavo's deteriorating condition as a result of being confined in Park Place, an assisted living facility located on Drew Street, in downtown Clearwater, Florida.
"Since Terri's move to Park Place assisted living it has become evident to the Schindler family that Terri's personal care has gone down hill. On several occasions they have questioned why Terri's hair was oily and why she appeared to have not been bathed. Two weeks ago, a tooth in her mouth came up missing. Recently, she has developed a decubitus ulcer in an area on her body which points directly to pressure and lack of her being repositioned. Of course, the Schindler's are still not able to ascertain any answers with regard to any of the concerns they have about their daughter's well-being and medical condition." -&nbsp;
Downtown Clearwater Florida where Terri is imprisoned in isolation from the world is the Scientology training ground stronghold of the world.
<p align="center]<a name="terri is being abused][/url]Terri is Being Abused/Has Pat Anderson Warned the Schindlers About Infiltration?
By April 24, 2004, someone had removed five teeth from Terri Schiavo's mouth. The reason for this has not been fully disclosed to Terri's parents. They have also been denied answers to questions about Terri's bedsore, unkempt appearance, and unexplained vomiting.&nbsp;
Michael Schiavo has once again used the Scientology disconnect policy against Bob and Mary Schindler because they are "antagonistic" towards his death goals for their daughter. Terri is being illegally held in isolation in Scientology-controlled Clearwater Florida while Scientology fair game tactics are being used&nbsp; against her and her parents.&nbsp;What is God leading you to do about it?
<a name="june 12 scientology holiday][/url]The Scientologists do not care if you contact Bernie McCabe. It took Bernie two years to file charges against the Scientologists after Lisa McPherson died of severe dehydration— while in their custody ! The two felonies Bernie finally charged them with were: abuse/neglect of a disabled adult and the illegal practice of medicine.&nbsp;
<a name="felony indictment friday 13][/url]Bernie chose to indict Scientology on Friday the 13th, a "lucky" day for those in the occult. See: Felony Indictment November 13, 1998 &nbsp; Satan's followers believe that if events are scheduled on satanically-marked days—especially a high satanic day like Friday the 13th—the outcome will be to their advantage. High-level Scientologists knew that since an indictment was inevitable, it was best that it be done on a day in which vibrations (demons) would be compelled to perform in favor of the Scientology organization. (See: [url=http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/for_the_life_of_terri_schiavo.html#occult dates]Occult/Scientology Dates in the Terri Schiavo Case [/url])
Not long after the beleaguered Dr. Joan Wood changed her report regarding the cause of Lisa McPherson's death from "undetermined" to "accidental," Bernie McCabe dropped the charges. Bernie chose to free Scientology from all charges on June 12, 2000 , a Scientology holiday (highday):
June 12: National Founding Day Scotland, to celebrate the founding of the Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1968. (The Holidays of Scientology)
Bernie McCabe's refusal to investigate the allegations against Michael Schiavo for the illegal abuse, neglect , and exploitation of his disabled wife is no longer a mystery.
Pat Anderson was one of Dr. Joan Wood's attorneys, and as such, was privy to the "fair game" tactics used against Dr. Wood which set into action a chain of events that ultimately permitted the "church" of Scientology to get away with murder.&nbsp;
Has Pat Anderson advised the Schindlers about the Scientology fair game tactics that have been continually unleashed against them including Scientology's often-used practice of infiltrating the opposition? I doubt it.
Scientologists are not threatened if you sign a petition to Bernie McCabe or plead with Gov. Jeb Bush, who gave them money. (However, you should make it plain to him that it is not in his best political interest to allow a certain segment of Florida citizenry to enjoy above-the-law status.) They do care if you picket them on their own turf and use every means available to make it known to the public that Terri Schindler Schiavo is being denied the protection of Florida laws that conflict with Scientology doctrines.&nbsp;
In the early months of 2004, Terri's supporters scheduled a picket outside of George Felos' office building in Dunedin, Florida, but of course this event was canceled. The&nbsp; time is coming for someone to lead a picket again in CLEARWATER. But this time it should be led by a person willing to expose and take a stand against the Scientology tactics used against Terri Schindler Schiavo and her parents . Do not wait for the infiltrators posing as Terri's advocates to call for this picket. This is the last thing they want to do. Jesus said that his sheep hear his voice and follow him. He will let you know if this is the way he would have you to go.
Death By Dehydration: Terri's Wish or Hubbard's Hurrah?
Also see: Scientology Vs Terri Schindler Schiavo
#scientology continues fair game Scientology is "Fair Gaming" the Schindlers by Treating Them Like Criminals
In Keeping With Scientology Doctrine, Michael Schiavo Removed Terri From Society
Footnotes
1. http://www.holysmoke.org/lm/longevit.htm
2. http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/sciequot.htm?FACTNet
3. http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/scientology-victim-starved.htm
4. ibid
5. http://www.doctrinaltraining.net/
6. http://www.holysmoke.org/lm/longevit.htm
7. http://www.xenu-city.net/spt-changingstrategy.html
8. http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html
9. http://www.freedominclearwater.org/iss14/page05a.htm
10. http://www.thestraights.com/editorials/orlando-protest.htm
11. http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/sciequot.htm?FACTNet
12. http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien386.html
13. http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
14.&nbsp; http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-10.html
15. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35156
16. http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/sciequot.htm?FACTNet Also see: Lisa McPherson's Death: Was She Killed By Scientology?
17. http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/ca-hubbard-books-rejected.htm
18.http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/669hvjvj. asp
For the Life of Terri Schiavo
Human Rights Abuses in Scientology
online books: Understanding Scientology ,&nbsp; Inside Scientology/Dianetics] , The Mind Benders
Gary and Lisa Ruby

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frightening stuff! How do we fight this???

Even Mel Gibson said this is a public crucifixion. I only heard part of the interview.

This is also what scares me:

Quote:
The rulings of the Pinellas County Court, which uphold Michael Schiavo's illegal actions against his disabled wife, fit the applications of Scientology like a glove.

Scientology considers Terri's loving parents to be "suppressive" because their actions are blocking the "church" of Scientology from achieving their goal of gaining rank in Satan's realm by achieving the first public test case euthanasia in the United States of America. They hope to accomplish this via the feeding tube removal and then illegal denial of regular food and water from a conscious, cognitively able woman who has the ability to swallow—as long as she is not sedated for the malicious purpose of interfering with this ability.


If you can believe the polls, the public is buying this hook, line and sinker. But I actually don't believe the polls, they are a tool that the MSM uses to garner "influence" on the public.

Is this a "test case" and what do you think will happen now??

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What 'Test' Did Greer 'Pass'?
Scientology Influence?
From Anonymous
3-27-5

1. Scientology's headquarters is in Clearwater, Florida.
Source

2. Terri Schiavo (Schindler) is in a hospice in Woodside
Hospice, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N and 102nd
Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida. Source

3. Pinellas Park, Florida, is 13.1 miles from Clearwater,
Florida.
Source

4. In 1999, the Church of Scientology hired Clearwater's
most prominent and well-connected law firm to represent it on a wide range
of issues, yet another indicator of Scientology's increasing acceptance
into Clearwater's civic circles. Church officials reached an agreement
for legal services on Tuesday with the firm of Johnson Blakely Pope Bokor
Ruppel &amp; Burns. The account will be handled by Ed Armstrong, a partner
in the firm and one of Clearwater's leading real estate, land use and zoning
attorneys.
Source


5. Clearwater Bar Association recognized Judge George
Greer for his decision to have Terri Schindler's feeding tube removed.
They presented the John U. Bird award to the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit judge
on May 15, 2004. This prestigious award, which is the Clearwater bar's
highest honor for a judge, was granted to Judge Greer for the way he has
handled himself while overseeing the Terri Schiavo case!
Source

6. Robert Dickinson III, the outgoing president of the
Clearwater Bar Association, cited Judge Greer's handling of the Terri Schiavo
case in terms of "passing the test" He said, "Rarely is
a person's mettle and faith tested in such a strenuous and public way as
this gentleman's has been over the last few years," Robert Dickinson
III said. "Rarely do mortals pass the test with such flying colors."
(Quote source: Lawyers laud judge in Schiavo case)
Source also see


7. Just days prior to leaving the office of Pinellas
County sheriff to became a member of Florida's House of Representatives,
Sheriff Everett Rice hired Michael Schiavo for the nursing staff at the
Pinellas County Jail.
Source
See also

8. One of Judge George Greer's best friends is former
Sheriff Everett Rice. Source

9. Former Sheriff Everett Rice has a cozy relationship
with the Scientology in the Clearwater area.
Source
See
also


10.Scientology appears to have establish a profoundly
strong political base in Clearwater, Florida.
Source
See also

11.Lisa McPherson died while in the care of scientology
in Clearwater, Florida.
Source (pdf)

12.McPherson died in December 1995 after 17 days in isolation
at the church's spiritual headquarters, the Fort Harrison Hotel in downtown
Clearwater.
Source

13.Lisa McPherson was underweight, severely dehydrated,
and had bruises and bug bites when, on December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson
was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida.

Source

14.On November 18, 1995, Lisa was involved in a minor
car accident. She was apparently not hurt, but she got out of her car and
took all her clothes off and seemed mentally unstable. She was taken to
a hospital where she was physically evaluated as being unharmed, but the
hospital wanted her to be psychologically cared for. However, some Scientologists
arrived and stated that Lisa did not believe in psychiatry, and she checked
out after a short evaluation and left with the Scientologists. She went
with them to the Ft. Harrison Hotel for "rest and relaxation"
according to the church, but church logs from Lisa's stay there from November
18 to her death.
Source

15.Terri Schindler, her feeding tube removed, is dying
of weight loss, dehydration, and recent reports have shown Terri has had
several broken bones. See evidence here

16.Terri Schindler is being killed just like Lisa McPherson
was killed - by starvation and dehydration.

Scientology Influence?

" The rulings of the Pinellas County Court, which
uphold Michael Schiavo's illegal actions against his disabled wife, fit
the applications of Scientology like a glove" at this website:


Judge Greer, in Clearwater, has broken many laws in his
mania to kill Terri.
See
here

"The Scientology-controlled Pinellas County Court
has permitted Michael Schiavo to abuse, neglect and exploit Terri in an
effort to cause her to lose the will to live. As soon as he was awarded
a handsome malpractice settlement earmarked for Terri's rehabilitation,
his (she's) 'already dead' attitude manifested." Found here:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_treats_terri_schindler_schiavo_as_dead.html

Also see this

" Like Lisa McPherson, Terri Schindler Schiavo is
a public victim of Scientology tech. Unlike Lisa, Terri is still alive.
It is a fact that Scientology used Lisa's dehydration death- at their hands-
to pave the way for them to openly break Florida laws in their quest to
destroy Terri Schindler Schiavo as well as any "suppressive"
who stands in their way.

After Lisa McPherson's death, Scientology reportedly
knew it could use its well-deserved reputation for ruthless litigation
tactics to pave the way for them to achieve the coveted "euthanasia
by hearsay" precedent.

They easily managed the opposition until too many people
began to speak out on Terri's behalf for Scientology's comfort level. Their
solution? Infiltrate and manage the "help terri" grassroots movement.
"Helping Terri" is so tightly controlled that talking about the
obvious Scientology connection is not allowed.

It certainly is not allowed on the Terri Schiavo Free
Republic forums. One poster "slipped" and revealed that permission
must be obtained before posting about the outcome of court hearings! An
inquiry was made about this, but so far, it has been ignored."
Seen here
Huge list of relevant links: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/for_the_life_of_terri_schiavo.html

Profound truth here

"The 'judicial competence' that Judge Greer has
exhibited in his handling of the Terri Schiavo case is clearly the kind
that ignores evidence and even Florida statutes in order to uphold Scientology
doctrine-which requires the deletion of "social contagions" (the
disabled) from society. It is no coincidence that a Scientology attorney
- who was a lead attorney in the Lisa McPherson case - personally bestowed
this award to Judge Greer. Greer's decisions to consistently rule in favor
of terminating a disabled person do reflect high ideals-in the sight of
Scientology."
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1361797/posts

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty powerful for a "religion" created over drinks between two science fiction writers huh?

P.T. Barnum said it once and L. Ron Hubbard proved the point: You CAN fool some of the people some of the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoting Lisa's Aunt:

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A very special thanks to Judge Susan Schaeffer, who worked tirelessly in reviewing the thousands and thousands of pages filed by Scientology in its attempt to get the case or our attorney thrown out. I understand that no judge works as hard as she does and I am glad that she had the smarts, courage, patience, and fortitude to work through this onslaught. Had she continued in the case, I am sure we would have seen a trial.

Now comes the most difficult task. We a very grateful for the generous financial support of Bob Minton. For that Bob, we thank you. However, we are very disturbed by the way Scientology was able to turn you against us. For that, and knowing how much that must have hurt you, we are waiting for you to ask us for our forgiveness, which we may consider, even though your actions forced us to settle the case. We truly wish you and your family the best. It is nearly impossible to find someone like you...the "you" that existed before Scientology finally succeeded in having you try to make the case "go away." We are distraught that Scientology still has you involved in litigation in St. Petersburg in its counterclaim in the Lisa case. The Lisa McPherson Trust was established by Bob. Many dedicated people worked there. The Trust helped many hundreds of individuals and families distraught over Scientology. It had a noble purpose, but it is now gone.

I pray for the people of Clearwater, since Scientology has overwhelmed their city. My prayer is that all who read about Lisa, including Scientologists, will evaluate Scientology for themselves. Lisa is the prime example. I pray that the good people of Clearwater will stand up and not be overwhelmed by Scientology's huge presence in their community. Shine the light of truth on Scientology. We found the truth and obtained justice against enormous odds. Don't be misled and strive to seek the truth for yourself. God bless all of you.

Dell Liebreich
Lisa's maternal aunt


http://www.lisamcpherson.org/dell.htm

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

WOW.

But now, instead of starving/dehydrating a person "illegally" in a hotel, they can starve/dehydrate them with court approval and police enforcement.

What has our country come to??

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoophyDog wrote:
Pretty powerful for a "religion" created over drinks between two science fiction writers huh?

P.T. Barnum said it once and L. Ron Hubbard proved the point: You CAN fool some of the people some of the time.


I think it was Abe Lincoln that said that. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute", which is also applicable here. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After Lisa McPherson's death, Scientology reportedly
knew it could use its well-deserved reputation for ruthless litigation
tactics to pave the way for them to achieve the coveted "euthanasia
by hearsay" precedent.

They easily managed the opposition until too many people
began to speak out on Terri's behalf for Scientology's comfort level. Their
solution? Infiltrate and manage the "help terri" grassroots movement.
"Helping Terri" is so tightly controlled that talking about the
obvious Scientology connection is not allowed.

It certainly is not allowed on the Terri Schiavo Free
Republic forums. One poster "slipped" and revealed that permission
must be obtained before posting about the outcome of court hearings! An
inquiry was made about this, but so far, it has been ignored."
Seen here
Huge list of relevant links: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/for_the_life_of_terri_schiavo.html


I never did understand why Shindlers' attorneys didn't bring up the Federal Americans With Disabilities Act.

It's a federal claim, but if their lawyer won't bring it up, courts won't step in and make the claim for a party in a suit.

I forget his name, but atty for Bush 41 brought this up on TV a couple of times.

I kind of wonder who side the Shindlers' attorney was really on. And this is a lesson for everyone, if your lawyer is lazy or overlooks anything, you pay.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the mac Phearson case, interview with expert witness about the way Lisa was cared for and her death.
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/cpd_cd/4447.htm

Dr. Podgorny: You know...this is...what bothers me most about this case from the human point of view is that, not only they kind of mistreated her...they knew what the outcome was going to be. That's what bothers me.
Sgt. Andrews: Okay.
Dr. Podgorny: Verbalizing it to you...if you get my point. There is a situation when I lock you up and I won't let you out...and I know that, well,
you'll stay there 10 days...that there is water and food, etc...you know...it's not gonna really harm you as such. But if I know that, if in 10 days you're likely to be dead and there is no other recourse, that's what bothers me,, It also becomes to me as a...I don't know what the legal term is...complicity in committing a murder.
Sgt. Andrews: Intent.
Dr. Podgorny: Intent...is that what it's called?
Sgt. Andrews: Intended to do that.
Dr. Podgorny: Yeah. Now I don't think they would want to begin with to kill this woman.
Sgt. Andrews: Okay.
Dr. Podgorny: You know...I do not know...maybe they were. What I'm trying to say is...to me as a lay person in regards to police and legal work, there is one of a man who after an after-thought goes and plans and kills somebody.
Sgt. Andrews: Okay.
Dr. Podgorny: That's one situation. Then there's a guy who runs over somebody with a car...just one that gets manslaughter or whatever. And then there's a guy...a doctor who's taking care of the patient and he's just not doing the right thing and the patient dies. The doctor didn't want to kill him. The doctor really wanted to help, but unfortunately the doctor goofed or he didn't know enough. I think he is still to some degree responsible. Now I do not think they brought her in there and said "We're gonna kill you and we will kill you by dehydrating you...not giving you food...incarcerating you...giving you Mag...giving you this and the other". I don't think they had that in mind. But what bothers me is after a few days they recognized that was developing with her. And whatever care available from them...if it's not changed...the result can only be death. There is no other result available...no alternative. That's what bothers me...that from that point on, they are doing something that they know most likely will result in death.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading about supposedly altered graphics on terrisfight.org and seeing what for them constitutes "altered" photos, I'm not sure I'd believe anything that this site has to say:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

They point out the natural effects of high compression and rapid enlargement (without intermediate steps to counter the effects of the enlargement) of small-format video stills as being "alterations" when they clearly are not.

At least they have thoughtfully provided comparable photos so that you can at least somewhat replicate the results with your own computer and graphics program.

I, personally, believe that there is a lot more to this case than a husband carrying out his wife's dying wishes.

But, it's too easy to fall into the "conspiracy trap" and start seeing things that aren't there.

I'm not saying that http://www.libertytothecaptives.net is lying - but perhaps out of ignorance WRT lossy compression in videos and graphics for the web, they have at least two misleading pages on their site. I would take other material there with a grain of salt until there is documentation from another source that backs them up.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
After reading about supposedly altered graphics on terrisfight.org and seeing what for them constitutes "altered" photos, I'm not sure I'd believe anything that this site has to say:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

They point out the natural effects of high compression and rapid enlargement (without intermediate steps to counter the effects of the enlargement) of small-format video stills as being "alterations" when they clearly are not.

At least they have thoughtfully provided comparable photos so that you can at least somewhat replicate the results with your own computer and graphics program.

I, personally, believe that there is a lot more to this case than a husband carrying out his wife's dying wishes.

But, it's too easy to fall into the "conspiracy trap" and start seeing things that aren't there.

I'm not saying that http://www.libertytothecaptives.net is lying - but perhaps out of ignorance WRT lossy compression in videos and graphics for the web, they have at least two misleading pages on their site. I would take other material there with a grain of salt until there is documentation from another source that backs them up.


I disagree with you regarding the photos. I did an experiment with two photos, one being the original and the other released by the AP.

Photos from this page
The one on the left is the original, the one on the right is the altered image.




Robert Schindler at press conference Oct. 14 (photo: Gary McCullough, Christian Communication Network)
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35376

From the Liberty to the captives website.
This picture is clearly altered. I have enlarged it to 400% the size found on the website. Yes, pictures become fuzzy when they are enlarged, but we are not concerned with fuzziness, but rather alterations that have been done to this photo.

Mrs. Schindler's and Suzanne's heads have been outlined with a zig-zagged black line!

I cut out the portion that the site claimed was altered and increased the zoom to 400%. The portion I took was that of Mrs. Schindler's head that the site claims was altered by adding a black zigzag lines to it. My conclusion, the photo was altered and not the natural effects of high compression and rapid enlargement as you stated above.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it looks like a very quick and poorly executed attempt at sharpening that segment. Note the pixelation around the head (blockiness).
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