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shawa
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Also from the Empire Journal article, re Dr. Throgmartin:
| Quote: | | At the Dade County Medical Examiner’s office and IACO Seminar, he taught a course on Strangulation and Other Compressions. He has been published in the Journal of Forensic Science and American Journal for Medical Pathology and Journal of Pediatrics. |
Is this Felos's strategy to negate the affidavit of Dr. Wm. Hammesfahr
regarding Terri's neck injuries: that he had only seen that type of injury
once--in a victim of strangulation!!
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shawa
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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IMPORTANT ALERT from Association of American Physicians & Surgeons
Go to:http://www.aapsonline.org/ and click on WHATS NEW
| Quote: | Association of American Physicians & Surgeons
The Voice for Private Physicians Since 1943
1601 N. Tucson Blvd Suite 9
Tucson AZ 85716
www.aapsonline.org
3/28/2005
Full autopsy needed in Schiavo case; please contact the M.E.
It is absolutely essential that there be a full postmortem examination of Terri Schiavo to learn the truth about her medical condition. Yet Judge Greer and Michael Schiavo initially announced their intention to cremate Terri’s body and thereby destroy all the evidence.
Perhaps feeling the public outrage, pro-death attorney George Felos announced Monday evening that Michael had agreed to an autopsy after all. However, AAPS members have informed us that they are confident this would be only a limited autopsy designed to reinforce the diagnosis of a vegetative state and shrunken brain. George Felos disingenously avoided a pointed question by a reporter as to whether the autopsy would include a full body scan.
The Medical Examiner John Thogmartin needs to hear from physicians and the public to ensure that the medical truth is determined. Please review and send a copy of this letter, and call and email also. |
For further information about Terri Schiavo visit http://www.aapsonline.org/ethics/terris.htm .
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| Quote: | Jon R. Thogmartin, M.D.
District Chief Medical Examiner
10900 Ulmerton Road
Largo, FL 33778
(727) 582-6800
(727) 582-6820 (fax)
mailto: wpellan@co.pinellas.fl.us
Dear Mr. Thogmartin,
If and when Terri Schiavo dies, important medical evidence would be lost by a cremation or limited autopsy. There are persistent claims that her medical condition was misrepresented and that she even had broken bones reflecting possible abuse. There is, or will be, civil litigation for which a complete postmortem examination is essential evidence. Terri has been the subject of a congressional subpoena, and legislation of great concern to the public. Federal or state investigations into this matter, pending the ongoing development of facts, remain a real possibility. It is plainly “in the public interest to determine the identification of or cause or manner of death of the deceased or to obtain evidence necessary for forensic examination,” and hence a full postmortem examination is essential. Fla. Stat. § 406.11(2)(a).
There is an “unusual circumstance” in this case under Fla. Stat. § 406.11(1)(a)( that also triggers the need for a full postmortem examination. The cause of Terri Schiavo’s initial collapse that damaged her brain has never been fully determined, and that must be considered a proximate cause of her eventual death. Allegations of great concern to the public remain unresolved.
Despite the overriding public interest in preserving evidence concerning Terri Schiavo’s condition, it has been reported by the press that Michael Schiavo intends to authorize a limited autopsy or cremate her immediately upon her death.
Please do not limit your examination to a limited autopsy. The medical examiner's office needs to perform a full investigation and complete postmortem examination to determine both (1) the immediate cause of death and (2) the proximate cause of death including any injuries inducing the damage of her brain years ago.
According to the Medical Examiner's department policy posted at: http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/policy/policystatement.htm#CA , the medical examiner must approve or deny all such requests. Additionally, Florida Statute § 406.11(1) says, “the medical examiner … shall determine the cause of death … (c) When a body is to be cremated, dissected, or buried at sea.”
It has been alleged that her original “event” was possibly caused by never-investigated abuse, an issue that can only be resolved with a thoroughly postmortem examination. There is tremendous public interest in discovering the truth about Terri Schiavo’s medical condition and destruction of her body would only serve to increase public alarm about this case.
Judge Greer has not allowed a MRI or PET Scan. An MRI may yield benefits, in addition to an autopsy, particularly for small, old injuries to ligaments and muscles that would be consistent with a trauma that might have occurred. Judge Greer cannot relieve this office of its statutory duty to make a full and independent examination into the medical condition of Terri Schiavo.
There is no reason not to due a full postmortem examination in this case of enormous public interest. We respectfully urge you to fulfill your professional duty to discover the truth here.
Please act now to assure no authorization is given for a cremation or limited autopsy here without a complete investigation and full examination.
Sincerely, |
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It is important that Thogmorton receive an avalanche of mail!!!!!!
Use the above letter, and email immediately!
Encourage everyone you know to do likewise.
I also added that Dr. Michael Baden might be encouraged to observe
the autopsy, to allay any fears of a coverup.
If Terri is to receive JUSTICE, it is important that a full body forensics autopsy can reveal criminal
abuse by Michael Schiavo. For future CRIMINAL CHARGES.
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shawa
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Just heard Pat Anderson on Hannity radio show, she heard there will be no second Medical Examiner
at the autopsy, or if it will be videotaped as is usually done.
She suspects Michael caused Terri's injuries. They had a big fight when
she came home from the hairdresser on the Saturday afternoon.
Michael was furious at the money she spent. He left for work MAD.
Night shift at the restaurant. Terri then went to 4:30 Mass at the Catholic
church with her family as she usually did. Afterwards went to a dinner party with her parents
and brother.
The next morning, Bobby, her brother who lived very close rushed to
Terri's apartment just before paramedics arrived, said he found Teri face down on the carpet
with her fists balled up by her throat.
Anderson went on about all of the issues that she investigated
when she became the Schindler's attorney, and when she approached
the State Attorney about a criminal investigation he said no because
it had happened years ago and the statute of limitations had expired.
Now, with Terri's death, that doesn't hold true. There is NO statute of
limitations on MURDER!!
It all depends the autopsy report whether there will be an investigation.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| I am sure that much of what would be evident in 1990 won't even show up in an autopsy now. Michael is most likely aware of this and not really sweating it. The ball was dropped from the very start, when the cops didn't investigate this properly. I just can't figure out why not. |
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Barbie2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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I thought I heard yesterday that the medical examiner was going to have the Terri's body "ready for release in 24 hours.
I cannot believe they can do all that needs to be done in that time.
| Quote: | | The body of Terri Schiavo has arrived at the office of the medical examiner within three hours of her death. However, it may take weeks until the full autopsy report is published. A thorough brain exam alone requires preserving the remains in a solution for a week to ten days. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo#Autopsy
Scroll down, very long.
Then I hear that Terri's real family has the right to have another examiner present and that it is SOP to have the autopsy video taped, but that neither will be done.
Anyone know what is going on??
Besides and obvious whitewash and cover-up!
BTW: If archeologists can tell you about the lives of people who lived thousands of years ago, they certainly can tell us about the life of a woman in recent times.
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tony54
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Unlike what Felos said, the autopsy is being done because its required by law, but its not required to be a full autopsy, only a brief one.
And besides I think the medical examiner will only review the remains to make sure she is dead, otherwise they will have to kill her again. |
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