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zinfella
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[quote="Rdtf"] | Lotsa_Static wrote: | | Quote: | | Do you think the junior senator from Mass. will be next to proclaim his regret(s)? |
All I know is the creep couldn't even apologize in order to win the election. |
I believe that says it all. John F-ing Kerry is never going to apologize, at least not sincerely.
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Al_Hawaii
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While at Ft Bragg in the mid-80s I heard a former POW speak about Hanoi Jane's visit. He said that the POWs wrote their service numbers, or SSAN's for the younger ones, on a small piece of paper and "palmed" them to Fonda. After all the POWs had met with her she turned the pieces of paper over to the North Vietnamese. Of course the POWs were tortured, and while my memory is fading, I seem to remember that some of them died.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Yeah, that story of her visit to North Vietnam has really made the rounds, over the years. Unfortunately, that particular part of it is not true.
I say "unfortunately," because what she actually DID was bad enough. 
When people find out that part of that story is untrue, I'm afraid that the natural reaction will be to downplay the rest of what she did.... no matter tthat it is all well-documented.
At least her recent interviews make it clear that she admits to the rest of it, and her comments calling POW's "hypocrites and liars" has always been solid knowledge.
I have looked on the various internet file-sharing programs for recordings of the propaganda broadcasts that she made to our own POW's in the camps, but to no avail.
I will never forget or forgive her. The enemy sure got a gem in their crown when they got her. Wish they'd'a kept her when they had the chance.
Bet she'd have sold a lot of aerobics tapes to the Vietnamese, hm? 
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kman
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Too little, too late you traitorous beatch. I hope you rot in hell for all the blood that’s on your hands.
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Rdtf
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/04/05/jane.fonda.ap/index.html
| Quote: | Jane Fonda's blunt 'Life'
Actress assesses 'first two acts' in new memoir
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 Posted: 9:30 AM EDT (1330 GMT)
NEW YORK (AP) -- Jane Fonda is 67, fresh into the "third act" of a life that could be reviewed as melodrama, farce and guerrilla theater, as if devised by a collaboration among Eugene O'Neill, Neil Simon and Jean-Luc Godard.
She is single, a "feminist Christian," a liberal who loved "Fahrenheit 9/11" and a sentimentalist who still cries when she watches "On Golden Pond." She is fashionable in dark slacks, boots and a patterned blouse, her hair a spiky tangle of brown and blond. She is organized, planning to live to 90, regularly checking e-mail on her brand new Blackberry.
She has made her first movie in 15 years, "Monster-in-Law," a comedy with Jennifer Lopez that she thinks will succeed but will not be devastated if it doesn't. She has also written a memoir, "My Life So Far," which she "guarantees" will succeed and would be devastated if it doesn't.
"I think it's an important book," she says, looking weary but game on a Monday morning, having just flown in a few hours before from Florida. "This is not just my story."
"My Life So Far" is her first memoir, although it seems as if Fonda has been writing one all along, living out the most public of narratives over past the 40 years, with millions watching her evolution from the ingenue of "Tall Story" to the sex bomb of "Barbarella" to her radical activism of the late 1960s and 1970s to her workout tapes and her marriage to media giant Ted Turner.
The celebrity's decision to write a memoir can be as crude as needing the money, or, in Fonda's case, as deep as acknowledging that you won't live forever. Fonda says she first thought of the book as she neared age 60, what she calls the start of "her third act."
"It's not dress rehearsal," she says. "This is it. And for me to understand what my third needs to be, I have to understand my first two acts. ... I realized there was a line that runs through my life, a pretty clear line that runs through a lot of women and girls."
Her memoir looks to make sense about how a two-time Academy Award winner so blessed with talent, so adventurous in spirit and lucky in achievement could otherwise appear so helpless, suffering from eating disorders, subjecting herself to breast implants (now removed) and to marriages in which the man's wishes came first.
"I have been successful, famous, financially independent -- all of those things are true," says Fonda, whose many films include "Klute," "Coming Home" and "On Golden Pond," in which she starred with her ailing father, Henry Fonda. "Yet, behind the closed doors I was afflicted with the disease to please, and would totally give up my own voice. That shows how insidious misogyny is, that even for someone like me, it can invade your core."
Responsibility -- and bacon
Fonda had a sex kitten image after 1968's "Barbarella," but earned kudos for her acting in "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?", "Klute" and "Coming Home."
Her roots, as much as Fonda has ever had them, are in Atlanta, where she has lived since the early 1990s. For the moment, she makes herself at home in a hotel suite on Park Avenue. A stationary bike has been installed, presumably offsetting the bacon -- "I LOVE bacon," she confides -- she has just eaten for breakfast.
She is still close friends with Turner, watches the network he founded, CNN, and looks alarmed when an e-mail on her Blackberry informs her that he has recently broken his collarbone.
"It was a fabulous 10 years," she says of her time with Turner, whom she divorced in 2001. "They helped me heal, they taught me so much."
She has been married three times: to Turner, French filmmaker Roger Vadim, who died in 2000, and activist Tom Hayden. In "My Life So Far," she shows how sex, camaraderie and adventure failed to sustain relationships undermined by emotional disconnection and a sometimes baffling willingness to humiliate herself, notably participating in sexual threesomes at Vadim's request.
She shares private moments most people would probably want kept private. She remembers hitting Turner on the head with a car phone after learning he had been unfaithful to her, and being told by Hayden on her 51st birthday that he was in love with another woman. Fonda says both Hayden and Turner have read the chapters about them.
"They corrected some inaccuracies, but they didn't talk about it emotionally," she says. "I don't blame them for the failure of the marriages. I take as much responsibility for that."
The clear line of Fonda's seemingly zigzag life begins with her parents: Henry Fonda and the socialite Frances Brokaw, who killed herself when Jane was 12. Only years later did Jane learn about the suicide; her family had told her the cause of death was a heart attack. While researching the book, Fonda discovered that her mother had been sexually molested as a child.
Still defined as 'Hanoi Jane'
Her father, meanwhile, was cold, aloof, with a cutting humor very much like the cranky patriarch's in "On Golden Pond." And as in the movie, she was a go-getter in the professional world, but at home was her father's "little fat girl," a label that inevitably made Fonda desperate to stay thin and please men.
She believes she has little in common with her mother, seeing far more of herself in Henry Fonda, whether his "artistic bent" and his "dislike of bullies and injustice," or his difficulty with emotions.
But for millions, her identity is not as a daughter, or workout pioneer, or even movie star queen. She remains "Hanoi Jane," the rich-kid rebel who visited North Vietnam in 1972, met with U.S. POWs, called U.S. soldiers war criminals during a speech on Radio Hanoi, and, most notoriously, was photographed riding a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun.
She has apologized for the anti-aircraft photo (but not for opposing the war), made a film sympathetic to veterans, "Coming Home," and still carries with her letters of support from veterans. But she acknowledges her image will stay, so hot to the touch that few political candidates would seek, or even accept, her endorsement.
"I have to absolutely recognize and take responsibility for the fact that I carry baggage," she says, "and that there are many politicians who feel that's baggage they do not care to claim."
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LewWaters
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| Quote: | | but earned kudos for her acting in "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" |
While sitting in Ft. Lewis waiting to leave on my second trip over to Nam, I went and saw this movie. I came out even more bored than I went in. In all, it was about the dumbest movie I ever saw.
Now, if she were sincere about apologizing and not just hawking her new book, wouldn't she include words to the effect of, "I am so sorry for everything I did that caused so much anguish to so many men?" "Please forgive me?" Those words have never come out of her mouth, directed at Viet Nam veterans.
Even if they did, it's been so long coming I doubt I could accpet them, too little much too late.
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tony54
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Jane and her comrad John and their "wicked tounge", not only caused many American Soldiers torture and death. They also caused thousands of deaths when they helped force our troops out of South Viet-Nam.
I could never in a thousand years forgive either one of them two commies.
Only God with his wisdom can forgive such horrible acts.
But I don't think God forgives everybody that comes to Him, or He would have never created a special place for these two called HELL. |
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Tanya
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'Hanoi' Jane Mystified by Kerry's Loss
'Hanoi' Jane Fonda said Tuesday that she just can't figure out why her old Vietnam war protest partner John Kerry failed to defeat George Bush in last year's presidential election.
Fonda tells the New York Times that when the two worked together as leaders for the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Kerry was "just brilliant in his ability to articulate, and brave in his willingness to articulate."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/5/102735.shtml |
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