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Sorry, either ADD or CRAFT syndrome is striking....
There were two men in one of the Northern states (Wisconsin? Minnesota?) who went to their local newspaper and complained that their names were signed on the Swift Boats site without their permission.
RADM Hoffman wrote to the paper and offered proof that they had, indeed signed the letter via email but at first the paper refused to print it.
Later, they did print it, along with back-pedaling statements by both of the complainants. (The paper might have been just a TAD embarrassed at having been caught printing just one side of the story, ya think?  )
A link to the retraction/story was posted here - but I can't find it. Has anyone run across it recently? I've tried googling and wandering through the forums and I don't see it anywhere.
Thanks!
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hmm.. Montana? ( & Nevada).... these two guys?
Billings Gazette
September 1, 2004
Columbus swift boat vet angry about letter
By LINDA HALSTEAD-ACHARYA
Of The Gazette Staff
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COLUMBUS - Swift boat veteran Bob Anderson of Columbus is ticked.
It bothers him that Sen. John Kerry's swift boat history has become such a political hot potato. But he's even more irritated that his name was included - without his permission - on a letter used to discredit Kerry.
"I'm pretty nonpolitical," the 56-year-old Anderson said Tuesday. So, when he found out last week that his name was one of about 300 signed on a letter questioning Kerry's service, he was "flabbergasted."
"It's kind of like stealing my identity," said Anderson, who spent a year on a swift boat as an engine man and gunner.
The letter, which was posted on the Swift Boat Veter-ans for Truth Web site, claims the Demo-cratic presidential candidate has "grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that (Vietnam) war."
The letter also criticizes Kerry for trying to change his image from a critic of the war to a war hero.
"After reading the letter," Anderson said, "it kind of got under my skin. I had never come across a situation where someone used my name without my support or approval. It's not a very comforting feeling."
What's worse, he said, he disagrees with the letter.
"Had they asked me to use my name, I wouldn't have allowed them to," he said.
Anderson, a 1966 graduate of Chinook High School, describes himself as a naive Montana kid who was smacked by the reality of war soon after arriving in Vietnam in 1967.
"It's not a very pleasant way to grow up," he said.
He served on a swift boat about the same time Kerry did. However, the first time he met Kerry was during a reunion of swift boat vets in Norfolk, Va., in March 2003.
Anderson said he cannot dispute or verify Kerry's experience. In fact, he's forgotten much of his own.
"You remember the simple things," he said. "The rest is what you don't want to remember."
He does, however, support Kerry's right to state his opinion.
"We say we're protecting democracy. That's why we go to war. As Americans, we can have our opinions, right?"
Anderson can vividly recall the last day of 1969, when his boat was attacked.
"The thing I remember before we got hit was the grass dragging on the sides of the boat - the canals were so narrow," he said. "I can also remember the smell of napalm."
Anderson's boat was about the fourth boat back in a string of 10. He describes the scene as an Armageddon. Fellow swift boat sailor Bob Wedge was so badly wounded, Anderson doubted he would survive.
"That boat was like a slaughterhouse that day," he said. "He (Wedge) just about bled to death before we got a tourniquet on him and the chopper got him."
Wedge, who lost a leg, was flown home. Thirty-four years passed before the two met again. Now they find themselves on the same side of another conflict.
Wedge, 60, of Mesquite, Nev., said his name, too, was on the list - and he's mad.
"This is the fourth or fifth time someone has called me or e-mailed me in regard to signing this damn letter," he wrote in an e-mail to Anderson. "I don't agree with it and want no part of it and especially don't want my name on it."
Both men have tried to contact the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to have their names removed from the list. Neither have had any success.
"I can't seem to get a response when I reply to their e-mail," Wedge said.
"They come back undeliverable."
Anderson said he first learned about the situation last week when he received an e-mail from a third party. The e-mail, from a Tom Pyle, said Pyle had contacted a dozen men whose names showed up on the list. Of the dozen, three said they had not given permission, Anderson said.
"That leads me to believe that as many as 25 percent of the names are fictitious supporters of that group," he said.
Anderson does not know how the Swift Boat Vets for Truth got his name, but it appears exactly as it has appeared on rosters at swift boat vet reunions. He suspects the list was pulled from the Swift Boat Sailors Association, a nonpolitical, not-for-profit organization linking swift boat veterans.
Wedge said he's known about the list for several months. Unlike Anderson, he remembers receiving an e-mail asking if he wanted to sign the letter in support.
He speculates that his name was automatically added to the list when he opened the e-mail.
Both men say they are angry that Kerry's swift boat service has dominated so much of the campaign. And they say both sides are at fault.
"You see it every campaign, there's dirty politics on every side," Anderson said. "If the politicians spent more time on issues than on this, we'd know more about them."
Anderson cites the economy as one of the issues most important to him - that and getting the nation out of Iraq. Wedge is more focused on Social Security, Medicare reform, prescription drugs and adequate funding for education.
Anderson describes himself as an independent, saying he has voted both sides of the ticket when it comes to presidential races. Neither he nor Wedge, a registered Democrat, say they know who they will vote for this election.
"I don't know enough about Kerry to say whether I will vote for him," Anderson said. "I know enough about Bush that I won't vote for him."
Regardless of political loyalty, Anderson said he has a message he'd like to pass along.
"Don't believe everything you read. All it tells me is there is some politics going on there." |
didnt have retraction bookmarked ,EJ, but this should help with the search. I remember it now, when I read Pyle's name.
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Thank you, thank you, those are the two men I was talking about. (Where the hell did I get Wisconsin from? )
Now if I can find the retraction/correction, I'll be all set. It seems to me that it's been very recent - only in the last month? Maybe two?
Thanks again. 
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This do sound like a "Mouse-Chairseat Interface Conflict"
We used to call that an IQ Waiver.
'Scata-cephalic' works too.
maybe 'copro-mentis'
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:49 am Post subject: |
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As I have said many times, "Gawwwwwd, I love this board!"
Just got in from going out to dinner and was fixin' to get in and get the names out of Kate's post and here's the article that I was referring to.
Thank you very much - I appreciate your tracking this down.
Now, I feel lazy - well, except for the fact that I'm writing a near-dissertation in an email. 
I really resent being ADD at times like this - I *know* I read a refutation of this or that somewhere and I can't remember where and I can't even remember the names to google in order to find it. The election is ancient history as I've moved on to other things and I don't remember who said what or did what very well, any more. I think I've lost my political "fluency."
I'll be haunting the research forums for three days just to answer this email.
Thanks again!
EJ
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