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baldeagle PO2
Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 362 Location: Grand Saline, Texas
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | "We can understand torturing prisoners, ...," says computer teacher Muhammad Archad, interviewed last week by NEWSWEEK ... "But insulting the Qur'an ... This we cannot tolerate." |
Too bad they don't hold Islam to the same standards......................
Quote: | The PA Takeover of the Church of the Nativity
On April 2, 2002, as Israel implemented its Defensive Shield operation to combat the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure, in Bethlehem "a number of terrorists took over St. Mary's Church grounds.
On April 7, "one of the few priests evacuated from the church told Israeli television yesterday that gunmen had shot their way in, and that the priests, monks and nuns were essentially hostages....The priest declined to call the clergy 'hostages,' but repeatedly said in fluent English: 'We have absolutely no choice. They have guns, we do not.
On April 24, the Jerusalem Post reported on the damage that the PA forces were causing:
Three Armenian monks, who had been held hostage by the Palestinian gunmen inside Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, managed to flee the church area via a side gate yesterday morning. They immediately thanked the soldiers for rescuing them.
They told army officers the gunmen had stolen gold and other property, including crucifixes and prayer books, and had caused damage....
One of the monks, Narkiss Korasian, later told reporters: "They stole everything, they opened the doors one by one and stole everything....They stole our prayer books and four crosses...they didn't leave anything. Thank you for your help, we will never forget it."
Israeli officials said the monks said the gunmen had also begun beating and attacking clergymen.
Even in the Roman Catholic areas of the complex there was evidence of disregard for religious norms. Catholic priests said that some Bibles were torn up for toilet paper, and many valuable sacramental objects were removed. "Palestinians took candelabra, icons and anything that looked like gold," said a Franciscan, the Rev. Nicholas Marquez from Mexico |
Link here http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp490.htm _________________ "In a word, I want an American character, that the powers of Europe may be convinced we act for ourselves and not for others; this, in my judgment, is the only way to be respected abroad and happy at home." --George Washington |
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shawa CNO
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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bob51wrote
Quote: | to Muslims, defacing the Holy Book is especially heinous. "We can understand torturing prisoners, ...," says computer teacher Muhammad Archad, interviewed last week by NEWSWEEK ... "But insulting the Qur'an ... This we cannot tolerate."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/ |
This article was written by Evan Thomas, Managing Editor of Newsweek
and as such I would assume he had to OK the incendiary story by Isikoff.
In writing this article, he seems to be trying to explain away and spread the BLAME to others!! Instead of admitting very flawed editorial judgment.
HE should have demanded ABSOLUTE PROOF that the story was solid
before publishing!! He would have to know that it would spark tremendous anger from the fanatical Islamists.
Personally, I hold HIM accountable for the deaths and creating more danger for our troops!!
He is the grandson of Norman Thomas, long a leader of the Socialist Party.
Maybe that explains his anti-war, anti-capitalist, anti-U.S. and definitely
ANTI-BUSH ideology.
From the Evan Thomas article:
Quote: | ...~snip~At NEWSWEEK, veteran investigative reporter Michael Isikoff's interest had been sparked by the release late last year of some internal FBI e-mails that painted a stark picture of prisoner abuse at Guantánamo. Isikoff knew that military investigators at Southern Command (which runs the Guantánamo prison) were looking into the allegations. So he called a longtime reliable source, a senior U.S. government official who was knowledgeable about the matter. The source told Isikoff that the report would include new details that were not in the FBI e-mails, including mention of flushing the Qur'an down a toilet. A SouthCom spokesman contacted by Isikoff declined to comment on an ongoing investigation, but NEWSWEEK National Security Correspondent John Barry, realizing the sensitivity of the story, provided a draft of the NEWSWEEK PERISCOPE item to a senior Defense official, asking, "Is this accurate or not?" The official challenged one aspect of the story: the suggestion that Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, sent to Gitmo by the Pentagon in 2001 to oversee prisoner interrogation, might be held accountable for the abuses. Not true, said the official (the PERISCOPE draft was corrected to reflect that). But he was silent about the rest of the item. The official had not meant to mislead, but lacked detailed knowledge of the SouthCom report.~snip~ |
It was assumed the story was true because of a mention??? of flushing the Quran down a toilet!!!
Nothing "proven", just a mention!!!
It was assumed it was true because the senior Defense official was silent about 'the rest of the item' !!!
He didn't acknowledge the item was TRUE, but he was silent, so it must be
accurate???
THAT'S A LOT OF RECKLESS 'ASSUMING' BY NEWSWEEK,
AND I DON'T BUY THAT THEY DIDN'T FORESEE THE VIOLENT
ANTI-AMERICAN REACTION!!!!
I can't tell you the FURY I feel after reading the long, pathetic explanation
by Evan Thomas.
How a Fire Broke Out
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/ _________________ “I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.” (Thomas Paine, 1776) |
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PhantomSgt Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 972 Location: GUAM, USA
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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susanlprince wrote: | Can you imagine if a person died each time the news got a fact wrong in a report? *gasp*
The rioters have the responsibility for the deaths on their hands. It's a bit of an overreaction don't you think?
People must be responsible for their own actions...yes, Newsweek should be held accountable for the inaccuracies they reported, but can we really hold them responsible for people who got out of control and killed each other over it?
Islam, a peaceful religion, and this is yet another example. |
This may be so, but the irresponsible publishing of the story undermined our efforts in the Middle East/Southwest Asia and places our troops in jeopardy during a time of war. If this isn't treason nothing is Susi. _________________ Retired AF E-8
Independent that leans right of center. |
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shawa CNO
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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After the White House demanded it, Newsweek has issued a retraction!!
IMO, too late. How do you retract the deaths and the damage done to
U.S. Military???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050516/ap_on_re_us/newsweek_quran
Quote: | ~snip~In a statement, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the original story was "demonstrably false" and "irresponsible," and "had significant consequences that reverberated throughout Muslim communities around the world."
"Newsweek hid behind anonymous sources, which by their own admission do not withstand scrutiny," Whitman said. "Unfortunately, they cannot retract the damage they have done to this nation or those that were viciously attacked by those false allegations.~snip~" |
Email address: Letters@newsweek.com
Tell them a retraction is not enough! All responsible must be fired!!
Newsweek is owned byThe Washington Post Company
1150 15th Street, NW
Washington, DC 20071
202.334.6000
TWPCoReply@washpost.com
Ann McDaniel
Vice President
Rima Calderon
Director - Corporate Communications _________________ “I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.” (Thomas Paine, 1776) |
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scotty61 LCDR
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 419 Location: Glyndon MN
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Me#1You#10 wrote: | Letters@newsweek.com
...and the lunatic knuckleheads are already suggesting that this was Rovian planted disinformation a la the Rather "setup"... |
I love it when they do this! Not only are they stupid enough to do this, then they believe that they were even stupider to be sucked into doing it. Let's all cheer for them recognizing how stupid they are! _________________ John Kerry. A Neville Chamberlain for our times. |
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joeshero Commander
Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 321 Location: Midwest
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Why is it so big deal? When people burn bibles or throw them into garbages, I don't mad with it. I don't get it. Do we see killings because of Dan Brown's book? Well, years ago an editor of magazine in Indonesia was almost killed because he published a poll about the most popular people in the country. His sin was: the Islamic prophet was number 6 in the poll and people over there were really angry and ransacked his office. The government banned his magazine and he was put in jail for 5 years. The public actually demanded his head.
They said it is a religion of peace. Yeah....yeah. Actuallty, there is something inherently unhealthy about this. _________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I guess that to prevent future atrocities, that we should pick up all
of the copies of the Koran that we gave those prisoners and send
them back to the publisher.
_________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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I B Squidly Vice Admiral
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 879 Location: Cactus Patch
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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The metaphysics of getting God's Word into written form usually requires a suspension of disbelief. The Koran requires the suspension of derision. The Hebrew Torah was revealed in a burning bush though I think Moses was just trying to put the fear of God into an unruly mob. The Book of Mormon was 'discovered' while poking around indian mounds in the Ohio Valley. The Christian Gospels are the words of the apostles. Confucious wrote his aphorisms without reference to a diety. Buddha, Lao Tsu and Ecclesiates questioned the knowability of the divine. Mohammed said the Lord spoke to him on the bones of goats. Anytime he wanted to push a new argument or add another wife he'd just go out in the desert and get another bone to support his position. Of course, he never saved any of these bones or showed them to any one 'cause the dog ate them.
Mohammed was a gifted writer with a social agenda. He surveyed existing faiths and deliberatly crafted one to unify the arabs in opposition to Persian hegemony. He was especially enamored of the resilient faith of the Hebrews and incorporated many elements. Like a spurned lover he developed an unremitting hatred for the Jews when they did not accept him as a later day patriarch.
Mecca was a holy city long before Mohammed and his mother were driven from it in a family squabble. His revenge and his cult got its start in piracy by looting the pilgims traveling there. _________________ "KILL ALL THE LAWYERS!"
-Wlm Shakespeare |
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Armybrat/Armymom Commander
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 335 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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When the Bible or anything to do with Christianity is spit upon, trashed or lied about, we are told it is "their (the protestor's)" freedom of speech that is of utmost importance. Any kind of reaction from Christians is frowned upon. I'm not condoning Newsweek's lying BUT the Muslims reactions are of their own choosing. Violence is their way of responding to anything they don't like. (my observation)
Yes, Newsweek needs to be made accountable for their lack of ???? (wisdom, integrity, ethics, etc) and they need to be given more than a tap on the hands. Plus they need to make a HUGE apology to the soldiers who have been put in harm's way "for a story". |
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Tom Poole Vice Admiral
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 914 Location: America
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: |
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If this has already been posted, please accept my apology. But, I wonder why NewsWeek didn't report these facts along with their "errors." You'd think that any vigorous and thorough journalist like Isikoff would have used the usual comparisons.
Saudis Shred Bibles, Rights Campaigners Claim
By Patrick Goodenough, CNSNews.com International Editor, May 19, 2005
(CNSNews.com) -- Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religious rights campaigners. Reports from the Islamic world of the abuse of Bibles and other items important to Christians emerge from time to time, but generally have little impact - in contrast to the wave of Muslim anger sparked by a Newsweek report, since retracted, of Koran desecration by the U.S. military. "The Muslims respect the Koran far more than Christians respect the Bible," says Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born evangelical pastor now based in Australia. During the 1990s, Nalliah spent two years in Saudi Arabia, where he was deeply involved with the underground church. "It's a very well-known fact that if you have a Bible at customs when you enter the airport, and if they find the Bible, that the Bible is taken and put in the shredder," he said in an interview this week. "If you have more than one Bible you will be taken into custody, and if you have a quantity of Bibles you will be given 70 lashes for sure - you could even be executed."...The Rest of the Story _________________ '58 Airedale HMR(L)-261 VMO-2 |
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