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shawa
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I am so confused by all these dates that there is supposed to be a discharge issued. Essayons says there should be a Discharge for Feb./73.
But in this Beldar Blog from November 1, 2004 former Sec/Navy Middendorf
states that Kerry should have received a Discharge in 1975 but it is not on his Website.
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/11/former_navy_sec.html
| Quote: | Monday, November 01, 2004
Former Navy Sec'y Middendorf delivers broad hints on Kerry's discharge
Art Moore at WorldNetDaily.com just put up a stunning article — not for what it says directly, but for what figuratively bounces off the page at anyone willing to read between the lines even just a little bit:
A former secretary of the Navy is urging Sen. John Kerry to open up his personnel files to resolve the question of whether the Democratic presidential nominee received a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy.
William Middendorf, the Navy chief from 1974 to 1977, told WorldNetDaily today that Kerry, who began inactive reserve status in 1972, would have been issued a document three years later either for a reserve reaffiliation or a separation discharge.
An "honorable discharge" from 1978 appears on the Kerry campaign's website, but a Navy lawyer who served under Middendorf believes that document is a substitute for one that would have been issued in 1975.
However, no such document can be found among the records Kerry has made available.
"I should think it would be in his interest to open up the files, to clear up any misunderstanding," said Middendorf, who later served as ambassador to the Netherlands, European Union and Organization of American States.
Middendorf said he cannot comment specifically on any action taken on Kerry, because he is barred, under the 1974 Privacy Act, from discussing personnel matters.
However, he enthusiastically vouches for the character of Mark Sullivan, who formed the basis for a story today in the New York Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, the first to report discrepancies in Kerry's discharge record.
Sullivan, who served in the secretary of the Navy's office in the Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve between 1975 and 1977, says the "honorable discharge" on the Kerry website appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Kerry's record, Lipscomb reported.
Asked by WorldNetDaily to address Sullivan's findings, Middendorf cited the Privacy Act.
"I shouldn't comment other than to say I respect Mark Sullivan as one of the finest Navy officers we had."
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Friends and neighbors, I know that hard-core Kerry partisans will pooh-pooh this because of its source. "Right-wing hacks," they'll fume, "hatchet jobs, quotes Corsi too (and he's a racist thug)," etc., etc. I wish this had been on the front page of the WaPo, the NYT, and the LAT, and leading Dan Rather's and Tom Brokaw's nightly news broadcasts, a month ago. It wasn't — and that in itself is an ugly story.
Yet these are direct quotes, on the record and with attribution, from someone of spotless record who demonstrably was in a position to have personal knowledge of whether John Kerry was attempting to get an originally less than fully honorable discharge upgraded. Former Navy Secretary Middendorf just can't — because of the privacy laws that Sen. Kerry is hiding behind — simply come out and tell what he knows while Kerry continues to stonewall on signing Standard Form 180.
But this is a pretty broad hint. In fact, it couldn't get any broader without breaking the law.
Can America take a hint?
Posted by Beldar at 05:06 PM in Politics, SwiftVets | Permalink |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Pushing this over to the main forum. These astonishing allegations need to be repeated over and over and over again until SOMEONE in the MSM with a SHRED of journalistic integrity finally pursues them. Kerry's cloudy past is a veritable journalistic Tsunami for someone who has enough chutzpa to break the MSM code of silence. It will come however. It WILL come. |
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| kate wrote: | | ...check out this link... |
Kate, that's a spectacular source regarding Silky Poodle's service. I've never seen anything like it. Bravo and kudos to you. I consider this site as my home because it was my first experience with exchanging opinions on line. My daughters have opined on line for years but until Silky ran for POTUS, I never had a reason to opine about much of anything. I don't post much because I'm not a real Vietnam Veteran and was discharged (honorably) long before Vietnam hostilities began. I guess I rubbed some the wrong way. In any event, because of this well organized material, I'll be reading here every day now. Please keep it intact at least through 2008. I'm sure it will be needed.
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Aristotle The Hun
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Hanoi John Kerry Discharge Controversy |
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Hi Jarhead! Remember me?
I am editing an account of how members of this forum helped me document that Bush had a higher IQ than Kerry, and how that blossomed into the NYT article, and how that caused Tom Brokow, Don Imus, Chris Matthews, and Tim Russert to ask Kerry to address the issue of signing the form 180. Wow, I got the whole snowball effect into one sentence.
As the end of May nears (4 months since he said “Yes, I will.”), John Kerry still hasn’t signed the Standard Form 180 and has not released all his military records. My belief is that John Kerry was discharged under other than honorable conditions and stripped of his bogus hero medals. What President Carter gave amnesty to Viet Nam deserters, Kerry applied for and was granted an honorable discharge and had his medals restored.
My goal is to start a campaign to publicize that it has been 180 days since Kerry said he would sign a Standard Form 180. The 180 days would Fall on July 29 (check my math). My goal is limited to refreshing the memory of the media and the public. I doubt John Kerry will ever fully release his Navy records. The truth would destroy his life. However, I don’t want this issue forgotten about.
Since this story has already had extensive Old Media coverage from big name journalists, and the issue is still unresolved, we have a good chance of putting pressure on Kerry.
“180 days since Kerry promised to sign Standard Form 180!”
Can somebody come up with a better slogan? Or has somebody already started doing this? I haven’t been around since December 18 of ’04.
Sam
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Aristotle The Hun wrote: |
My goal is limited to refreshing the memory of the media and the public. |
Welcome back to the forum.
It seems to me that the MOST likely means of penetrating the media near-blackout of Kerry's duplicity is to ratchet up the pressure on an MSM entity that has already put it's collective foot through the door...and that means Tim Russert, Don Imus, Michael Dobbs of the WaPo and any other identifiable MSM platform that Kerry may have utilized to propagandize his bogus promise to sign.
That translates, I think, to e-mails...LOTS and LOTS of e-mails stressing the fact that their "platform" was used as a propaganda tool and the credibility of their "platform" is in question should they not follow up. Now, that may sound as enervating as "kissing your sister" but I do believe it can be effective.
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Aristotle The Hun
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks.
I have my own email data bank with most media outlets. However, given my experience with the research mavens on this site I'll bet SVPT has a media email data bank right here on the forum. In fact it is probably more up to date than mine.
Can you privide the link?
Sam
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Aristotle The Hun wrote: | I'll bet SVPT has a media email data bank right here on the forum. In fact it is probably more up to date than mine.
Can you privide the link? |
Here's a list provided by our good friends at FAIR. I don't think they'd mind you accessing it 
I stumbled on this one doing a search...it's loaded with media info...
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media
As to the forum itself, I believe I've seen one in there somewhere...I'll post it when I find it. |
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SBD
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Don't forget that it is also the 1 year anniversary of his "Reporting for Duty" speach at the Democratic Nation Convention!!
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shawa
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I found this last night, From November 1, 2004 when the dishonorable discharge/JAG story came out. Dr. Jack Wheeler who
knows Middendorf personally says when he talked to Middendorf early
that morning he agreed to reveal that KERRY DID GET A DD!!
Something changed his mind, maybe advice from his lawyer??
http://www.combatvetsagainstkerry.com/headsup.htm
| Quote: | Heads Up, Everyone!
A Message From To The Point -
November 1st 2004
A TO THE POINT HEADS-UP
I had a conversation with Bill Middendorf earlier today. Bill was the Secretary of the Navy from April 1974 to January 1978. I got to know Bill well when he was Ronald Reagan\'s Ambassador to the OAS and we worked together on support for the Contras.
Bill has agreed to publicly state that to the best of his knowledge and recollection, John Kerry was dishonorably discharged from the military and fought to have this reversed while he (Bill) was SECNAV, which Bill of course refused to do. When Carter became president, Kerry secured the honorable discharge from Bill\'s successor.
The OTH (Other Than Honorable)discharge story has been out for a while, but for a former Secretary of the Navy to confirm it is major news. WorldNetDaily will be headlining it, as should the Washington Times tomorrow, and possibly Drudge. For some reason, Drudge, whom Jerry Corsi (coauthor of Unfit for Command) just talked to a few minutes! ago, is resisting. I also gave the story to Neal Cavuto at Fox.
I thought all TTPers should get a heads-up on this.
Jack Wheeler
To The Point - The Oasis for Rational Conservatives. |
If we can get enough controversy stirred up again, maybe Mr. Middendorf
will step forward.
John Kerry is a LYING TRAITOR and holds his Senate seat UNLAWFULLY.
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Aristotle The Hun
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I really like your optimistic spirit. Pressure on someone will not change their lawyer’s advice. I would not ask someone to put themselves in legal jeopardy to accomplish our goal.
That is why I made my goal more restricted. “My goal is limited to refreshing the memory of the media and the public. I doubt John Kerry will ever fully release his Navy records. The truth would destroy his life. However, I don’t want this issue forgotten about.”
The most I hope to accomplish is to sic the media dogs on Kerry.
Sam
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