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GM Strong
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 Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:54 am Post subject: McCain leads Senate Moderates in caving |
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Well, it seems Capt McQueeg may be the Senate Minority leader after all. If the so called deal is in fact accepted, even with 55 members the Republicans are in fact a minority. I am disgusted beyond expression.  If Senator Frist accepts this, he is toast. Capt McQueeg is despicable in his traitorious conduct. I have nothing but contempt for this whole deal. If it in fact is taken, my vote is worthless and should have been for Kerry. I want to puke. ARRF! AARRRFFFF! BBLLeeeeCCHHH!!!!!
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I know we're not supposed to disparage this person. I am trying very hard to be charitable - after all, look what he's gone through.
But I really wonder how he can allow himself to be called a Republican. 
Is there *anything* of conservative values that he believes in enough that he will not sell it out, given the opportunity and an appropriate level of payoff? I haven't seen it yet. Maybe I just missed it. 
(And no, I don't mean to imply that he's taking payoffs in money or gifts or anything - he just seems to seriously consider that anything is negotiable, everything is on the table, in the name of "getting along!")
At some point it seems that something like a conscience would rear it's ugly head and tell you that you've got to stand for something!
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:44 am Post subject: |
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N3, he's a classic fence straddler, in my opinion. While I pay due respects for what he endured and has lived through, that does not give one carte blanche to sell out the country who voted to get things turned back to where they should be.
In some respects, he reminds me of the Jimmie Carter of the Republican Party. God help us if he get to be POTUS.
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shawa
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I am furious!! SEVEN REPUBLICANS just tied Frist's hands!!
He doesn't have the votes to go nuclear.
We know McCain is a RHINO but I am furious at Lindsey Graham.
I used to really like him, but for the last 2 years his anti-Bush stance
has really P****d me off!! He's smugly saying that Bush has to listen to him now, HE will tell the President who will be a 'good' judge!!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050524/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight
| Quote: | ~snip~Under the terms, Democrats agreed to allow final confirmation votes for Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and William Pryor, appeals court nominees they have long blocked. There is "no commitment to vote for or against" the filibuster against two other conservatives named to the appeals court, Henry Saad and William Myers.
The agreement said future judicial nominees should "only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances," with each senator presumably the Democrats holding the discretion to decide when those conditions had been met. Officials said the pact was intended to cover the Supreme Court as well as other levels of the judicary.
"In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement," Republicans joined Democrats in pledging to oppose any attempt to make changes in the application of filibuster rules a commitment that Sen. Mike DeWine (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio, said at the news conference was conditional on Democrats upholding their end of the deal.
While the agreement was signed by only 14 senators, they held the balance of power in a sharply divided Senate able to thwart continued Democratic filibusters, on the one hand, and block GOP attempts to alter filibuster practices on the other.
Republicans, moving quickly, said they would seek to confirm Owen as early as Tuesday, with other cleared nominees to follow quickly.
Even so, Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., noted he had not been a party to the deal, which fell short of his stated goal of winning yes-or-no votes on each of Bush's nominees. "It has some good news and it has some disappointing news and it will require careful monitoring," he said.
Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada seemed more receptive although he hastened to say he remains opposed to some of the nominees who will now likely take seats on federal appeals courts.
"Checks and balances have been protected. The integrity of the Supreme Court has been protected from the undue influence of the vocal, radical right wing," Reid said.
The White House said the agreement was a positive development.
"Many of these nominees have waited for quite some time to have an up-or-down vote and now they are going to get one. That's progress," presidential press secretary Scott McClellan said. "We will continue working to push for up or down votes for all the nominees."
At the same time, even Republicans said the agreement would force a change on the White House.
"Judges are going to get a vote that wouldn't have gotten a vote otherwise. We're going to start talking about who would be a good judge and who wouldn't. And the White House is going to get more involved and they are going to listen to us more," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., one of the bargainers.
The deal was sealed around the table in McCain's office, across the street from the Capitol where senators had expected an all-night session of speech-making, prelude to Tuesday's anticipated showdown.
Nominally, the issue at hand on the Senate floor was Bush's selection of Owen to a seat on the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans.
In fact, as the rhetoric suggested, the stakes were far broader, with Republicans maneuvering to strip Democrats of their right to filibuster and thus block current and future nominees to the appeals court and Supreme Court.
There currently is no vacancy on the high court, although one or more is widely expected in Bush's term. Chief Justice William Rehnquist's coincidental presence in the Capitol during the day was a reminder of that. At age 80 and battling thyroid cancer, he entered the building in a wheelchair on his way to the doctor's office.
The agreement came as Frist and Reid steered the Senate toward a showdown on Bush's nominees and historic filibuster rules, under which a minority can prevent action unless the majority gains 60 votes.
For decades, Senate rules have permitted opponents to block votes on judicial nominees by mounting a filibuster, a parliamentary device that can be stopped only by a 60-vote majority.
But Republicans, frustrated by Democratic filibusters that thwarted 10 of Bush's first-term appeals court nominees and prepared to block seven of them again, threatened to supersede that rule by simple majority vote.
In classic Senate style, the agreement was followed by a rush of self-congratulatory speeches and disagreement over what it meant.
Democrats, pointing to a slight change in wording from an earlier draft, said the deal would preclude Republicans from attempting to deny them the right to filibuster. Republicans said that was not ironclad, but valid only as long as Democrats did not go back on their word to filibuster only in extraordinary circumstances.
One official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the issue had been discussed at the meeting in McCain's office, and was "clearly understood" by those in attendance.
Apart from the judicial nominees named in the agreement, Reid said Democrats would clear the way for votes on David McKeague, Richard Griffin and Susan Neilson, all named to the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Democratic officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, suggested that two other appeals court nominees whose named were omitted from the written agreement White House staff secretary Brett Kavanaugh and Pentagon lawyer William Haynes might be jettisoned. Republicans said they knew of no such understanding.
Some Democrats dissented.
Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., issued a statement saying that "Confirming unacceptable judicial nominations is simply a green light for the Bush administration to send more nominees who lack the judicial temperament or record to serve in these lifetime positions."
Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record), D-N.D., called the agreement "legislative castor oil. It averts the showdown vote tomorrow, but I doubt it's over," he said. |
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm tired of hearing about what McCain endured. That was then. Right now enduing him is what matters. He is a Narcissistic Media Pet.
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| shawa wrote: | | I am furious!! SEVEN REPUBLICANS just tied Frist's hands!! He doesn't have the votes to go nuclear. We know McCain is a RHINO but I am furious at Lindsey Graham. |
Shawa, I agree. I used to like Lindsey, too -- but in addition to this, he's made some other rather hostile stands... can't quite figure him out yet. McCain, however, I am pretty sure about. In fact, I would not be surprised if he was the dem candidate for 2008..... This is a good article -- shows quite well what a mistake this is. Gives the dems the "last word," so to speak.
| Quote: | "Checks and balances have been protected. The integrity of the Supreme Court has been protected from the undue influence of the vocal, radical right wing," Reid said.
The White House said the agreement was a positive development.
We're going to start talking about who would be a good judge and who wouldn't. And the White House is going to get more involved and they are going to listen to us more," said Sen. Lindsey Graham
For decades, Senate rules have permitted opponents to block votes on judicial nominees by mounting a filibuster, a parliamentary device that can be stopped only by a 60-vote majority. |
I thought the filibuster was NOT historically used on judicial nominees... by caving to this McCain deal, it makes the republicans' stand on this quite hollow. All the talk about not letting a minority of democrats have the power over the Senate -- and then this. I am very disappointed. The impression of republican weakness is overwhelming.... |
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Tanya
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Buchanan: Frist Has Ceded Power to McCain
"Former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan had no kind words for Senator John McCain this morning on the Don Imus Radio program.
Buchanan said that Bill Frist had the votes to override the filibuster, but that John McCain, with his "deal," in essence supported the Democratic filibuster and took the leadership of the Senate away from Frist."
More here:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/24/92131.shtml
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"McCain gets big media that says 'John McCain is the man of the hour,' then he gets the Democrats coming around saying 'McCain saved things, he's a moderate, he's a man of the middle,'" Buchanan answered, "but he's done it at the expense of Frist and the Republican Party."  |
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Tanya wrote: | Buchanan: Frist Has Ceded Power to McCain
Buchanan said that Bill Frist had the votes to override the filibuster, but that John McCain, with his "deal," in essence supported the Democratic filibuster and took the leadership of the Senate away from Frist."
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Hail Capt McQueeg, the new Senate Minority leader.
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Snipe
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I'm taking up a collection. It's called "SPINES FOR REPUBLICANS".
Anyone wishing to donate a spine can send it to the Capitol
Building, Washington, DC. Attn: Senate and House Republicans.
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Call me an optimist, but I think there is the possibility that there is a pony somewhere in this steaming pile of you-know-what.
The dems have portrayed Owen, Rogers and Pryor as devils incarnate and that there could never be anyone worse on the federal bench. Now, under the "Deal", they will be confirmed. The "Deal" also talks of future filibusters only in the case of "extraordinary" circumstances. Well, what could be more extraordinary than Owen, Rogers and Pryor by the dems' own definition?
Of course, it's inevitable that Reid will proclaim that extraordinary circumstances attach to just about anyone Bush nominates in the future, the Deal will be trashed, and an attempt to filibuster will be made. At that point, the second chance to end the nonsense will occur and I think it could come about. The American people will be fed up to here with the dem obstructionism and they will be washed away, finally.
I concur with you all in the disappointment with McCain, Graham, et al. I am especially disappointed with Graham. I watched him with great admiration as he pursued the articles of impeachment against Clinton in the House, and later in the Senate sham trial. It must be that the lure of running for the Presidency causes these guys to gravitate to the gutless middle.
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LewWaters
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| Quote: | | The "Deal" also talks of future filibusters only in the case of "extraordinary" circumstances. Well, what could be more extraordinary than Owen, Rogers and Pryor by the dems' own definition? |
Unfortunately, to a Lib, "extraordinary" is anything they wish it to be. Abortions were supposed to be only under "extraordinary" circumstances too.
Only time will tell how this plays out, but it reminds me too much of Viet Nam. Nothing like caving when you are winning.
Frist hasn't signed on to this, according to Rush, so we'll see just where it goes. For me, I can't ever trust a Liberal at their word. Ask Bush one on the tax increase they brought him, he signed and then they made hay of his "read my lips, no new taxes," pledge.
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tony54
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Any conservative that GW nominates for the US Supreme Court will be "extraordinary' to the Democrats.
Since for the past 40 years the court has legislated at will, they do not under any circumstance want another conservative on it, for then they will legislate consevative "laws" and they will have no recourse.
This is their whole game plan, they will filibuster any conservative nomination to the Supreme Court till "08 if they have to. |
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: |
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McCain is is no Conservative and a RINO. This guy is not worthy of support. He is dangerous.
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Both these clowns (McCain and Graham) are posturing for the 2008 campaign. I wouldn't be surprised to see them as running mates. God Save Us All if they make into the White House.
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Ugh! Nooooo doubt!
I'm so disgusted with the whole thing I could spit nails.
Why in the world are the Republicans acting like the minority party? They didn't get enough of being the minority party or something? They forget how to act as a majority?
I tell ya, it's tricks like this that will put them firmly back into the minority.
People like a little backbone in their politicians. This ain't it!
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