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[Essayons]

kate and all:

I need more time before going to "experts" to correlate what I now believe believe is the MS Word source for the "boiler plate" of the Kerry honorable discharge that was posted on Kerry's web page.

It is understandable that my progress has been confusing but reverse engineering is NOT a science. It is a hunt and peck approach that leads down many false paths. Tenacity is the key.

Today I did an overlay (red text over the original document)of the Kerry document.

You can view it at: http://15thengineer.50megs.com/kerry_1.htm Click on the third thumbnail.

There are some problems I need to overcome to prove my case that MS Word was the source document and that manipulating the MS Word text in Photoshop produced the final Kerry document that he posted on his web site.

Regards,
Dick
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[Harvuskong]

I think that part of the answer to this discharge is the blacked out strip in the upper right corner of the document.

Why was it necessary for it to be blacked out??

After 25+ years, why would it need to be blacked out??


Word Information

After doing a bit of digging into Word, I have found that the docs can be saved as Web Page, Web Page filtered or Web Archive.

Perhaps that is part of how the text was manipulated.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[dcornutt]

The numerics are different. Take a look at the 6. The top of the 6 in the oriignal document has a small serif (dollop) on it. Yours does not.

Probably a different version of the font.

[Me#1You#10]

[SBD]

I think I have a perfect match. Any areas that might be off are most likely due to being too tired to fix the spacing. I read a post from someone who was commenting on the Rather Docs and she said that the font looked more like Bookman Old Style, so I decided to give it a shot. What I found was a perfect fit, as I typed, the letters just started matching.



http://www.swiftboatarchives.com/hondisres.pdf

SBD

[I B Squidly]

Don't get me wrong, I've been bragging about this to the usual sites but, what have we proved? We can replicate? or That Kerry forged?
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[Me#1You#10]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

It's possible that the Bookman Old Style might be the font used, but if you take a look at the original, you can almost cut butter with the straight edge down the right side of the text block - so you might need to do the same kind of tweaking as Essayons is doing in order to get that very clear straight edge.

Good luck!
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[Essayons]

SBD-

You sure got my hopes up early this morning.

When I got back this afternoon I did a comparison of fonts with the original text and unfortunately there is no match.

While I do not have the time now to show the proof of what I am saying I will produce it either late tonight - which I doubt - or tomorrow. Basically the problem is with a number of font letters not matching and the numbers 2, 3 and 6 are not even close.

I sent you some of my documents as you requested but I have not heard back from you. Obviously you know how to produce a .gif text transparency and I would appreciate it if you would help me in that area.

Time to go, t'storm on the way.

Regards,
Dick
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[Harvuskong]

Just some questions here.

What computer systems are you using??

Windows 95? to ??????

Mac

Linux

Red Hat

Which word processor system and etc. Word, Notepad, Wordpad and/or etc??

Could any of the above have enough differences in fonts licensed to the many different operating systems and applications to have some display differences??

I think that one would to consider that fact a Mac could be the answer to completing this research project.

[Essayons]

Harvuskong-

The t'storms are over.

I run two computers. A 2 GHz Dell 8500 laptop and a 2.8GHz Dell desktop. Both connected by a 100Mb Ethernet crossover cable. Both are connected to the Internet via broadband – the 8500 is connected via a Linksys wireless at 54Mbs.

While I have built my own personal computers since 1996 and have been involved with computers since 1962 I still consider myself a novice.

My oldest son is the technical director for the largest school district in Pennsylvania and is a converted Win/Intel to Apple aficionado. I still think he is full of sheet and tell him so. I will agree that Apples OS 10 is a major step forward and is a solid operating system.

I have used Adobe Photoshop since version 4. Currently I have Photoshop CS and CS2 mounted my two computers (CS on the 8500 and CS2 on the desktop).

I use MS Word 2003, Access and other MS Office products.

I run a large web site for my 15th Engineer Vietnam compatriots using MS Front Page using Front Page Extensions – over 130 pages and 70 MB in size. Go to: http://15thengineer.50megs.com/

Adobe’s recent CS2 release is about equal in functionality in its release on the Win/Intel and Apple platforms.

20 years ago I wrote a “white paper” that was panned by almost everyone in the computer industry. I stated that Unix (today’s Linux and Red Hat, etc,) would NOT be the dominant operating system of the future.

Today, I stand by my prediction of 20 years ago.

And your question was?

Do your homework and do not ask questions without rearching the issue you propose.

Regards,
Dick
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[Harvuskong]

Hello Essayons,

Did not know exactly what your background was. Nor was I attempting to make any negative statement on your expertise.

I know that I sure am not an computer expert.

Looking over my previous post, which was done with a lot of holiday company around, I realize that I should done it a bit differently or at least saved it in Word and edited it later.

But any way, I have noticed on some newspaper's websites, there are several oddities in the looks of the webpages and text leads me to believe that they are done with Macs and/or other than MS systems. Which made me think of the Mac and/or other non MS systems as an option.

I am sorry to have caused you any anger or problems.



Now as to the discharge itself, after looking over again for the fourth or more time, I have just formed another opinion or theory on it.

As I have said, I am not a military person. I have in years past seen a lot of things used in various business and govt offices with regards to documents.

Is it possibe that the discharge could be a standard pre-printed form with the logo and a standard text body with blank spaces left for a clerk using a typewriter or a system with a daisy wheel printer to fill in the blank lines??

I have also noticed in the lower left corner, that the copy was part 4.

I also found that the lower right corner across from the big black arrow, the notice that it was for the officer's jacket.

I finally realized upon seeing the above 2 items, why the two lines in the upper right corner just under the big blacked out spot and also after the two lines, titled To: and Via: on the left side and the two lines on the lower right side under the text body are so hard to read, they could be the result of typing through 3 carbons.

I have also noticed that top and bottom edges of the discharge have the look of perforations. I still use impact printers some, so I think that it just has to be perforations on the upper and lower edges of the discharge.

Also on the lower lefthand corner there is what I think is an sort of an document identification tag just above the part 4 id. If I am reading it right, it is NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77). I think that means that the form was revised March of 1977. NAVPERS has to be Navy or Naval Personnel.

Well, where are parts 1, 2 & 3?? Probadly some where deep inside a huge storage building or buildings.

Well, I think that probadly NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77) was printed in the hundreds of thousands.

Does anyone have a NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77) document of their own that we could look at??

It would be interesting to see what a non-Kerry NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77) form looks like for a comparsion check against Kerry's NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77) document.

I would really like to know just what would be in the blacked out block in the upper right corner of Kerry's NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77) document. Why did some one feel the need to black it out???

[SBD]

I've been looking for NAVPERS 1926/2 (Rev. 3-77) but haven't found it yet. It would definately save all of us some time since the document would have to be an exact match or it would be exposed as a fraud outright.

Essayons, can you send me a note that says exactly what you want me to make. I will send it right along as soon as I get a better understanding of what you need.

FYI, I was opening the PDF files in Photoshop and typing over the letters right in Photoshop without using Word at all for the examples.

SBD

[shawa]

I have been following this thread but since I am a total novice, not computer savvy, I didn't jump in. However, my over-riding thought was "Why do they think this is forged?"
Like Harvuskong, I too noticed the "copy 4" and perforation lines and thought the document looked like a a four part standard form, with the individual's identification TYPED in.
However, I figured you guys are more expert about recreating documents.

The question in my mind was "Why would Kerry forge THIS document, and put it on his website". It would seem to me, that if he were to forge a document he would have altered the 1972 "dishonorable discharge document" to "honorable", and put that up on his site, instead of this "board of review" document that would raise questions.
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