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d19thdoc · Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 1:27 am Post subject:

Doc Farmer quoted:

ScareyFast63 · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: FUDGING THE SF 180

Good job of cleaning up the misconceptions of the SF180 request especially the "DELETED" option of the form and the fact that the request does have to go to St Louis. Kerry has ample room to "slime" his way out of what seems to be a sure "slam-dumk" situation. I hope and pray that he has not sanitized or in some other way circumvented the system and the unadulterated, unsanitized version of his DD 214's are released. Of course he could modify or obliterate certain items of info after receipt of the documents. White-out and copy machines can do a convincing job. Crying or Very sad

noc · PO1 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

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GM Strong · Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject:

Records, What records? Surprised

Oh, you mean THOOOSE records. Shocked

Washington Prowler
Reporting for Duty
By The Prowler
Published 6/8/2005 12:09:22 AM
MISSION UNACCOMPLISHED
So with the exception of seeing Sen. John Kerry's middling grades at Yale, what was achieved by his signing of the SF-180 document?

If it was about releasing his military record, that wasn't achieved.

If it was about clarifying his reserve activities upon his return from his short stint in Vietnam, that wasn't achieved.

If it was to perhaps further obscure the truth about his service and post-Vietnam activities, mission accomplished.

It is unclear exactly what was released by the Navy late Monday to the Boston Globe. On its face it appears that aside from the Yale transcript and some commendations, little new appeared.

"I don't know what everyone expected," says a former Kerry campaign staffer. "We said this was the complete file months ago. The Senator pointedly requested that the grades not be included in the documents released during the campaign."

And there lies the rub. At no point has Kerry requested a full, nonredacted release of his military record from the National Personnel Record Center, which has custody of Kerry's complete record.

According to Steve Jones, a principal of Lyon Research, and a respected researcher, who specializes in culling data at the National Archives, the Library of Congress, and various military and museum repositories across the country, Kerry's full file could contain a number of other documents not released on Monday, such as documents that verify his status in the Reserves up to 1978.

But redirecting media and the public away from his full file appears to have been Kerry's plan all along, because he submitted his SF-180 to the wrong entity.

"It doesn't make sense that he is going through the Navy," says Jones. "Applying through the Navy gives this scenario the appearance of a personnel shuffle. Kerry said he applied to the Navy and the Boston Globe said they received his record from the Navy and that makes no sense when the relevant records are at the National Personnel Record Center, a part of the National Archives. By going through the Navy Kerry makes it appear that he is using the Navy to screen his file; he added a layer of bureaucracy when all he needed to do was sign an authorization allowing a third party to look at his record at the NPRC."

What is the difference between the Navy and the NPRC?

The Navy, which created the documents to begin with, is legally obligated to protect the privacy of the veteran. If, as many conspiracy theorists have posited, negative material was expunged from Kerry's file, the Navy could most likely only include the final version of a document.

For example, if an individual were to have a received a less than honorable discharge, but were to have gained a full, honorable discharge some years later, only the honorable discharge order might appear in the Navy file, while all of the individual's documents might be in the NPRC file in St. Louis, Mo.

Jones, who has worked extensively at the NPRC and the National Archives, says that were Kerry to sign an SF-180 and authorize a third party full access to his NPRC records, more fodder would likely be found. "There is no way to know what is in his file unless an independent party looks at the file at the NPRC," says Jones.

But there is hope. The NRPC can open the file to the public ten years after a famous individual dies.

As to what could possibly be in the full files, the former Kerry staffer insists it's time that Republicans and anti-Kerryites got a life. "The man lost. He's now had to admit that he was [crappier] student than Bush and yet you keep hounding the man. Nothing will ever satisfy you people. I guess you're all going to go camp out back down in Mena for Hillary's 2008 run. Good luck with that."
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