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shawa
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 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: DEEP THROAT'S STORY - Vanity Fair |
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I've been ploughing PAST all the plethora of articles on Deep Throat, without reading them. I refuse to participate in the Media's "blast from the past' celebration. I did want to read the original Vanity Fair article to see what was Felt's motivation for revealing himself.
I figured either he had been "outed" and had no choice, or there was $$$$ involved.
I found my answer:( Had to get some money before the old guy croaked)
| Quote: | | At one lunch at a scenic restaurant overlooking the Pacific, Joan and Mark sat their father down to lay out the case for full, public disclosure. Felt argued with them, according to his son, warning them not to betray him. "I don't want this out," Felt said. "And if it got in the papers, I'd guess I'd know who put it there." But they persisted. They explained that they wanted their father's legacy to be heroic and permanent, not anonymous. And beyond their main motive—posterity—they thought that there might eventually be some profit in it. "Bob Woodward's gonna get all the glory for this, but we could make at least enough money to pay some bills, like the debt I've run up for the kids' education," Joan recalls saying. "Let's do it for the family." With that, both children remember, he finally agreed. "He wasn't particularly interested," Mark says, "but he said, 'That's a good reason.'" |
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| Me, Me, Me. "...the debt I've run up. Let's do it for the family." Isn't there some kind of laws protecting the elderly against this kind of influence? |
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| Like Deep Throat said...'Follow the Money' |
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Last night on the MSNBC Special on this subject, Pat Buchanhan made a statement to the effect that had Nixon not been targeted and brought down by his political enemies, that it was very possible that the Viet Nam war would have turned out much different. Having been a infantry combatant in Viet Nam in 1971-'72, my feelings are very much the same.
Although Nixon had his faults, he did understand what it would take to properly end the VN war. With a large 'Silent Majority' of Americans supporting him, he unleashed the might of the U.S. on NVN which in turn brought them to the table in Paris. Because of the communist antiwar sypanthizers and some in congress, the plug was pulled on follow up support to SVN.
I am very very bitter at Deep Throat and his ilk (i.e.,Kerry, teddy kennedy, etc.). What Deep Throat did for his own political reasons cost lives. I know many American men that were killed, wounded, or POW/MIA during this Watergate investigation time frame in VN. The whole affair created chaos and lowered the morale of many of those fighting and dying for our great country. Very well remember our troops cheering when word came down that we were intensely bombing the NVN and mining their harbors. It should have been done many years prior.
In my book, Nixon will be remembered as a president with a pair that few others have had. Deep Throat was named appropriately, for he is similar to the porn star of the same name who would do anything for money and attention. May his soul and the others torment in Hell forever.
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Some background on Carl Bernstein form David Horowitz's site. I am grateful for the information and access David has provided. If you have not visited his site, please do. It is eye opening.
http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1831
| Quote: | CARL BERNSTEIN
One of two reporters who broke Watergate story that led to President Richard Nixon's resignation
Red diaper baby whose parents were Communists
Role model was Communist fellow-traveler and then New Left journalist I.F. Stone
"Deep Throat" was not in first draft of co-authored book All The President's Men
"Deep Throat," as we learned this week, helped the Washington Post carry out a coup d'etat against overwhelmingly-reelected President Richard M. Nixon out of motives as sordid as those of the pornographic movie that was the source of his nickname.
FBI Deputy Director W. Mark Felt, passed over by President Nixon for promotion to succeed the late J. Edgar Hoover as head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, violated professional ethics and his oath of secrecy in an apparent fit of anger, vengence and a desire to win favors from the liberal press and perhaps a future Democratic President. Felt became the secret support on which Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein constructed the gallows with which the media and Democrats in control of Congress and the courts were able to lynch Mr. Nixon for crimes no greater than those committed by recent Democratic presidents.
This week's revelation that Felt, now 91, was "Deep Throat" came from Felt's family, which made it clear that their motive was money. Woodward and Bernstein had made millions as media stars of the Watergate coup, and Felt's children were eager to cash in before their father died, leaving Woodward and Bernstein to pocket millions more from a book confirming his identity.
Woodward, despite being preempted, is now rushing into print his already-written book about "Deep Throat" to grab this lucrative opportunity. Bernstein, who this week initially refused to verify that Felt was "Deep Throat," ironically is a Contributing Editor at Vanity Fair Magazine, that paid the family for and broke this story.
Oh, and the family wanted their lawbreaking, unethical father to be honored as a hero who saved the nation from Richard Nixon.
The coup that overthrew President Nixon was largely orchestrated by Senator Edward Kennedy to reverse the left-repudiating 1972 election and serve Kennedy's presidential ambitions. This coup led to Communist victory in Vietnam, toppling dominoes in Southeast Asia, and encouragement to left revolutionary movements worldwide. It also allowed Kennedy and his liberal media allies to identify the tragic Vietnam War not with President John F. Kennedy, who committed the first 17,000 armed troops there, but with Republican President Nixon.
But this coup also had unexpected consequences. It led to the election of Democratic President Jimmy Carter in 1976. Carter withdrew support from America's key ally the Shah of Iran, which led to a medieval Islamist dictatorship in Iran, the 500,000+ deaths of the Iran-Iraq War, the militarization of Saddam Hussein, the destabilization of the Middle East and Islamic world, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the creation of Al Qaeda under terror mastermind Osama bin Laden, and bin Laden's eventual attacks of 9-11 on the Pentagon and World Trade Center. All this and more has come from the media coup that removed an overwhelmingly-reelected President Nixon.
Felt's identity as "Deep Throat" had been revealed by Carl Bernstein's son, as documented in Bernstein's profile posted last February at the launch of DiscoverTheNetworks.org. This profile revealed many shocking facts about this red-diaper baby reporter whose anonymous source Americans were misled into trusting. As we consider the consequences of what the establishment media asks us to believe, we ought to examine what the Washington Post knew but neglected to tell its readers about the background and ideology of Carl Bernstein.
Carl Bernstein, currently a Contributing Editor at Vanity Fair Magazine, is best known as half of Woodward & Bernstein (a.k.a. "Woodstein"), the pair of Washington Post investigative reporters who broke the Watergate story that led to Republican President Richard M. Nixon's resignation. For this reporting he shared a 1973 Pulitzer Prize with Bob Woodward.
Carl Bernstein was born in February 1944, the red diaper son of a radical labor union lawyer and activist mother. "I went with my mother, and I was on a lot of those picket lines as a kid," he told an interviewer in 2002. "I did not like the fact that my parents were of the left. There was a period there that I didn't like it at all. And I was pretty rebellious about it."
In his 1989 book Loyalties: A Son's Memoir (Simon & Schuster), Bernstein describes how he rebelled against his father Alfred's atheism by insisting on being Bar Mitzvahed. "You don't want me to be Jewish," he recounted telling his parents. "This has to do with your politics. And it's not right. And you don't really believe in freedom. It's communism…."
Bernstein acknowledged in this memoir that both his parents were secret members of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), two of thousands brought by the Party to Washington, D.C. during Democratic President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal.
"You're going to prove [anti-Communist U.S. Senator Joseph] McCarthy was right," Bernstein quotes his father telling him when he was writing his memoir, "because all he was saying is that the system was loaded with Communists. And he was right…. I'm worried about the kind of book you're going to write and about cleaning up McCarthy. The problem is that everybody said he was a liar; you're saying he was right…. I agree that the [Communist] Party was a force in the country."
In 1960 Bernstein, then 16, began working as a copy boy at the Washington Star, which he later described as "a great newspaper…a better newspaper than the Washington Post at the time." In November 1963 Bernstein transcribed then-Star (later Post) reporter David Broder's telephoned story from Dallas, Texas in 1963 on the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated.
Bernstein entered the University of Maryland but dropped out in 1965 to work full-time as a reporter for the Elizabeth Journal in New Jersey.
In 1966 Bernstein was hired by the Washington Post to cover police, court and city hall beats. In 2002 he described the Post he joined as biased. "At the time, the Washington Post had, deservedly so, a reputation to some extent for slanting stories, and it did." By contrast, its rival the Star, he said, "really had the best of old-fashioned journalistic, play-it-straight values." The Star, Bernstein said, also had "great reporters as well as some real characters straight out of [the play] The Front Page," while the Post was much more sterile, rigid and conformist. "When I went to work at the Washington Post," he wrote, "I thought I was going to work for an insurance company. I really did."
In June 1972 one of Post Metro Division's newest reporters, Bob Woodward, was assigned to cover a petty burglary of the Democratic Party's headquarters at the Watergate complex. After doing a sidebar piece to Woodward's story, Bernstein persuaded editors to assign him to cover it as well. The two reporters used marginally ethical methods, including unnamed sources and confidential telephone and credit card records to link the arrested burglars to the Committee to Re-elect the President (called by them "CREEP").
During the presidential election season, then into the fall and winter of 1972-73, Bernstein and Woodward with the approval of liberal Post editors investigated the burglars' connections to President Nixon.
The Democratic Party that controlled Congress and its investigating committees soon exploited the Post's reporting as a pretext to launch political fishing expeditions against the incumbent Republican President re-elected by a landslide in 1972. But in their eagerness to bring down President Nixon, Bernstein and Woodward continued to transgress ethical and legal lines - talking privately with members of a Grand Jury, making a false report of what had been testified before a Grand Jury, and leaking confidential congressional information.
"The reporters [Bernstein and Woodward] apparently believed the government was so corrupted by the President's power that the press could justify morally dubious means to right the balance," wrote liberal historian Doris Kearns [Goodwin]. (Kearns was a close friend of President Lyndon Baines Johnson who later married Richard Goodwin, an operative and speechwriter for Robert F. Kennedy.)
In his book Chief Counsel, Samuel Dash, the Democratic Counsel to the Senate Select Committee chaired by Senator Sam Ervin (D.-North Carolina) that investigated Watergate-related issues, wrote that Bernstein and Woodward's reporting degenerated into what he called "hit and run" journalism based on committee leaks that jeopardized the legal system's ability to convict and punish the guilty.
One of Woodward's confidential sources of information (so secret that Woodward refused to divulge his identity even to Post editors) was code-named "Deep Throat" (after a 1972 pornographic movie of the same name). Woodward and Bernstein's book about how they covered this story, All The President's Men (Simon & Schuster, 1974), and the movie leftwing actor-director Robert Redford made from it in which he played Woodward and Dustin Hoffman played Bernstein, made much of "Deep Throat," portrayed in the movie by Hal Holbrook.
But the original Bernstein-Woodward manuscript for All The President's Men never mentioned "Deep Throat," according to their literary agent David Obst (who as a young left-wing underground news service editor launched the career of another radical journalist Seymour "Sy" Hersh.) Obst believes "Deep Throat" is a fictional character, a composite drawn from several different people. As recently as 2004 Bernstein denied this, declaring that he will reveal the identity of the real "Deep Throat" after this person dies. Bernstein's son , who was around age nine when Watergate happened, has reputedly said that "Deep Throat" is former FBI agent Mark Felt.
Because of Bernstein's and Woodward's Washington Post reports, based largely on such anonymous sources, and because of a concerted effort by congressional Democrats led by Edward Kennedy and the establishment media to bring him down, President Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974.
The left, which had always hated Nixon and wanted to pull American troops from Vietnam, rejoiced. As a member of Congress Nixon had first earned this hatred by producing evidence that FDR diplomat and accused spy Alger Hiss had been a secret Communist Party member. (The Venona intercepts later added to the evidence that Hiss had been a communist agent operating under the control of East German military intelligence.) Nixon's success as an anti-Communist had made him a target for hatred and revenge by Communists, including Bernstein's parents.
Carl Bernstein has always maintained that his motivation in obsessively pursuing Nixon, was purely journalistic. But he has said that growing up under the influence of his parents' leftwing values "has informed my beliefs about what is important," and that one of his most important role models is the radical journalist I.F. Stone. In fact, Bernstein shared the views of the anti-Vietnam movement which spear-headed the efforts to bring Nixon down.
Bernstein has written that anti-Communists such as Nixon and McCarthy unleashed a "reign of terror" in America. This is absurd. The only Communists McCarthy sent to jail were those who were held in contempt of congress for invoking the First Amendment (instead of the Fifth) in refusing to answer questions. They did so on orders of the Communist Party which hoped to make them martyrs in the process.
In 1950 Alfred Bernstein lost his job coaching clandestine Communists how to lie to government investigators. He lost his income as part of the ruling elite of the Communist-controlled United Federal Workers of America, through which he had worked since 1937 to unionize government employees and thereby seize control of the government. But Al Bernstein went on to "make a good living by developing of a chain of Laundromats." In his later years this Marxist-Atheist served "as vice president for development with the National Conference of Christians and Jews and the Eleanor Roosevelt Institute for Cancer Research." He died in 2003.
Carl Bernstein has said he informed Post editors of his family's Communist Party background. This raises important questions about the journalistic ethics of the Washington Post as well as Bernstein.
"A case can be made that [Bernstein] should have disclosed the conflict of interest he brought to his Watergate exposes," wrote New York media consultant Sidney Goldberg in 2003. "After all, he was brought up as a Nixon hater and readers might have been told that his family regarded Nixon as vile, as an enemy. If he were doing a story on IBM and came from a family that was dedicated to the destruction of IBM, wouldn't we want to know that?"
The Post continued to publish Bernstein's reporting about Nixon without informing its readers of their reporter's ideological background. (During the 1950s Nixon had accused the Washington Post of having Communist sympathies, a claim that Bernstein's Post witch-hunt against him might have resurrected.) Post editors knew that Bernstein's reporting was pushing the Republican President towards impeachment or resignation, and they knew that most of Bernstein's reporting was based on anonymous, unnamed sources. As scientists often say about UFO and psychic claims, extraordinary hypotheses require extraordinary proof. But the Post continued to publish Bernstein while keeping secret from its readers information about his family background that would have cast doubt on his anti-Nixon reporting.
Bernstein and Woodward were "asking us for blind trust," wrote former New York Times Executive Editor Max Lerner. "Not only must they have 'relations of trust' (as they put it) with their sources, but also they expect the reader to trust their assessments of the trustworthiness of the sources. It may have been the only way this particular kind of book [their sequel to All The President's Men titled The Final Days (Simon & Schuster, 1976)] could have been written, but the leap of faith it asks for is more of a jump than most of us can make." The same must be said for their newspaper reporting, as well as for much that both authors have written since.
In a review of Bernstein's memoir, fellow red diaper baby David Horowitz, who became an anti-Communist conservative, addressed Bernstein's hypocrisy in claiming that America was a repressive country. After Bernstein told his Post bosses about his Communist family background, wrote Horowitz: "In anti-communist, paranoid America, home of the reign of terror, the editor of the most politically powerful media organ in the nation told you to get on with the job of removing a president in the middle of an anti-communist war. And what did you learn from that experience? Exactly nothing."
Bernstein left the Washington Post in 1977 to pursue other career opportunities. He worked for a time as ABC Bureau Chief in Washington, D.C. and later as its correspondent. In addition to Loyalties, he co-authored with Marco Politi His Holiness: John Paul II and the Hidden History of Our Time (Doubleday, 1996).
Bernstein's second wife, Nora Ephron, described their marriage in her 1983 novel and 1986 movie (starring Meryl Streep and Jack Nicholson), both titled Heartburn. (Ephron also famously captured the then-knee jerk liberalism of the New York Post decades ago with a hypothetical Post headline: "Record Cold Weather: Jews, Blacks Suffer Most.")
As Bernstein once told the British socialist newspaper The Guardian in reference to Richard Nixon: "You can't divorce a man's personal life from his public behavior."
"The lowest form of popular culture - lack of information, misinformation, misinformation, and a contempt for the truth or the reality of most people's lives - has overrun real journalism," Carl Bernstein has said. "Today, ordinary Americans are being stuffed with garbage." |
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Great post, wpage I'm glad you like the site.
I first heard of Horowitz' website last year. In an interview, he talked about this new site he was creating to give people access to background of many of the Left's notables and their Communist sympathies. I felt its a site I wanted to check out, given Horowitz' history. He was a red diaper babyhimself, and knows it all!
Well, since then I have been a frequent visitor and have mentioned it a couple of times on this forum. Over the past year, I have seen it grow immensely and become more user friendly. The search feature is coming to fruition, and there is a wealth of information that keeps on growing.
The homepage is http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/
Read what the site is about, and from there happy reading!!
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| I hope Felt's family enjoys their 30 pieces of silver. |
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One interesting thing that Rush had on his program the other day was reading transcripts from an interview by Timothy Noah with Felt in which he not only vehemently denied having been "Deep Throat," but he said that it would have been immoral for an employee of the FBI to have done such a thing .
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Deep Throat, Antihero
His unmasking makes everybody look a little less noble.
By Timothy Noah
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But the main reason, I think, was that Felt saw his leaks as a betrayal of the FBI. Six years ago, I asked Felt (who at that point was still denying he was Deep Throat) whether, if he were Deep Throat, that would be so terrible. His reply:
"It would be terrible. This would completely undermine the reputation that you might have as a loyal, logical employee of the FBI. It just wouldn't fit at all."
But wasn't Deep Throat a hero?
"That's not my view at all. It would be contrary to my responsibility as a loyal employee of the FBI to leak information."
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I don't catch Rush often lately, even though I'm a member of 24/7, but I did get that one... very interesting. And here's some more of the show - snipped a lot to avoid copyright infringement - you can click on the link to get the full transcript if you're a 24/7 member - and honestly, it's the best $50/yr I've ever spent, politically speaking. (Plus, they start podcasting, tomorrow, so I'll have the show delivered by email every day, free. End plug - sorry, but I really like Rush Limbaugh!  )
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Deep Throat Revelation Fallout:
Myth of Investigative Journalist Smashed
June 1, 2005
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: So basically what we have here is the makings of a hero in the person of W. Mark Felt, but I'll tell you, it's funny and comical to watch some of the fallout. We find out that his family thinks they are deserving of some of the money that Woodward and Bernstein have earned over the years, and so they have essentially participated in outing their father/grandfather for the purpose of coming out with a book. Now Woodward is moving up the publication of his book. As I said yesterday, this is going to destroy Woodward and Bernstein's big reveal story, which they had promised to do upon the death of Felt, as it turns out now, Deep Throat, who himself denied numbers of times over the years that he was Deep Throat. (snip)
Could you imagine, folks, let's go back to the Lewinsky and the impeachment era of the Clinton administration. Can you imagine if the FBI director or the number two in command at the FBI had leaked stuff from the Clinton investigations to the Washington Times? Can you imagine what would happen to that guy today, Louis Freeh or the number two man at the FBI at that time? If they had leaked stuff to the Washington Times or some other conservative newspaper, the mainstream press would call this a constitutional crisis and they would set out to destroy the leaker. They would set out to destroy the leaker. And, in fact, one of the prosecutors that was on Starr's team is named Brett Kavanaugh, and he is one of the names that the Democrats have vowed to filibuster.
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The liberals would demand the FBI be closed forever if somebody like Felt in the current FBI were leaking things about Bill Clinton. That would have been the end of the FBI as far as the press was concerned. The FBI would be no better than the US military today, or Gitmo, and they would be on a systematic mission here to destroy it and put it out of business. You know, we had the news on the program yesterday that Felt had been pardoned, and I found it interesting that for most of yesterday and last night, no major media outlet or even cable news show mentioned his conviction for ordering illegal break-ins. What did he do? He investigated the Weather Underground during the volatile '60s and '70s and did so without getting search warrants from a judge.
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We've also learned that he was conflicted with motives. He was passed over. He wanted to curry favor with the Washington Post. He wanted to be the top man at the FBI. He wanted Nixon to make him the director of the FBI post-J. Edgar Hoover. Nixon put L. Patrick Gray in there who was an administration-friendly guy and this motivated Felt to want to get even. His family says now there's no reason they shouldn't have shared in some of the money that Woodward has gotten, and Woodward, by the way, has become a multimillionaire telling and retelling and retelling and retelling again the story; but as you'll hear as the program unfolds, there are a number of instances where Woodward has not told the truth about some of this.
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Woodward and Bernstein had very little to do other than reporting what was happening, and they got a few leaks here and there, but we've created this myth that Woodward and Bernstein -- i.e., journalists -- brought down a sitting president and opened up the whole secret of the Watergate investigation, or story, when, in fact, it may be just the opposite.
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So there's a huge myth that has arisen, and it is this: that investigative journalists are vital to the security and safety of a nation. I read the other day that back in 1972 there was a committee of investigative journalists and it had about three members. Today it has 5,000. And Woodward and Bernstein are credited for reviving or even perhaps creating the whole concept of investigative journalism.
And the reason for this is what I told you yesterday, and it's how you can understand their action toward George Bush today and the war in Iraq. There are two templates at work here, and I'm going to use the words of Howard Fineman to remind you of the first one. The first one, Vietnam.
Howard Fineman, during a period of great sadness for the mainstream press earlier this year when they had failed to get Bush out with forged documents about his National Guard service and the admission of the mainstream press they no longer held the dominant influence they once used to have because there's an alternative media, Fineman wrote a piece on the MSNBC website that basically said the media became its own political party in the Vietnam War. They actually became its own political party and they led the Democrats into doing the right thing. And they succeeded in getting us out of Vietnam. The media turned public opinion against the war in Vietnam, and that gave rise to their conscious awareness of their influence and power, and it created within them a desire to keep utilizing this power. And since then, every war America has been involved in, except for one -- and that was the one Bill Clinton engaged us in Kosovo, every other war is looked at and viewed through the template, the prism of Vietnam, and that is it's ignoble, it's unjust, we have no right to be there, we're the starters, we're the instigators, we're the perpetrators, we're to blame. We mishandle prisoners, we torture prisoners, we do everything wrong. Our lone superpower status makes this an unfair world and so our enemies have to be elevated in power so things will be fair, and so all kinds of limits need to be placed on us. Our motives are impure, our intentions are not good. We simply want to dominate with imperialism all over the world. Ergo, that's how you get the current war on terror and the current war in Iraq covered, and all of these so-called controversies regarding Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and now you have Amnesty International, an avowed leftist organization, comparing America to the last living, surviving gulag. It's absolute BS but the media loves this stuff because they're reliving -- even those who weren't alive and working then -- reliving that glorious period where they actually turned public opinion against the war.
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Were this 1972, George W. Bush would have been gone with that National Guard story. George Bush would have been gone before the National Guard story were it not for the fact that an alternative media has sprung up.
So they don't have the power. This frustrates them. So they try even harder, and that's what Gitmo is about, and that's what Abu Ghraib is all about, getting George W. Bush. It's not about making America the best shining city on a hill. It's not about making sure America never tortures and never breaks the rules or America doesn't do anything wrong. It's about getting Bush.
And this whole orgy of the last 24 hours since Felt identified himself as Deep Throat is evidence, proof positive, that the effort to get Bush is the son and father, the daughter, the children, the child -- if you will -- of the Watergate scandal. The media has given birth to Watergate here in 2000 and 2001 and, '2, '3, '4 and now '5 in their attempts to get Bush.
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RUSH: I'm a little conflicted about this Mark Felt guy, folks. I'm a little conflicted about him. He's a 91-year-old man, but he had so many other options of doing what he did. I can't see the guy as a hero, and I can't see the guy as a hero for two reasons. I can't see him as a hero because I don't think what he did was heroic, but I also can't see him as a hero because the press is making him out to be one. And I am just instinctually built now to distrust and to be suspicious of any conventional wisdom coming out of the mainstream press and it's all the same. It's all monolithic. It doesn't matter where you go in some of the old mainstream press organizations. This guy is portrayed in an identical fashion from network to network to network, newspaper to newspaper to newspaper. He leaked information to the Washington Post repeatedly. If the FBI had done this to Clinton or to Kennedy, the media would be appalled. Yes, but this was Nixon. If the IRS leaked tax information about a politician it thought had broken the law, would the leaker be praised? Depends on who the leaker was leaking on. Felt's motivations are in serious question. He wanted the top FBI spot. He lost out to another and he was bitter about it. He had ordered the break-in of Vietnam protesters' offices, Weather Underground. He was convicted, later pardoned for this. Family is upset that Woodward has made millions from Felt's leaks while the Felt family is not well off financially. Follow the money. What was it that this guy in the movie, Deep Throat, was telling Woodward? "Follow the money." By God, follow the money here, folks, and you'll get an answer to a lot of the questions you have about motivation and all that. It's hilarious.
I just had to laugh. The Washington Post lost the biggest Watergate story of the century when Felt went to Vanity Fair. Why didn't Felt go to the Washington Post? They won't answer that question, the Felt family won't, but why did they go to Vanity Fair and not the Post? Now you have Woodward and Bernstein out there saying that Deep Throat wasn't even that important. They're trying to deemphasize him because he sort of screwed them. You know, it's sort of poetic justice that Felt goes to Vanity Fair, a monthly glossy magazine, and doesn't go to the Washington Post. So the real story here is how the Post -- here the Post has known who the guy is for how many years and they lost their scoop to a magazine, Vanity Fair, which simply promised a nice chunk of change. Apparently they paid the Felt family and paid for the story, which shows that Deep Throat is indeed a principled man. Follow the money.
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RUSH: All right. So Pat Buchanan was up next on the Today Show, and he opened up on Felt. This is actually Matt Lauer interviewing Buchanan, but here, we're not going to open here with the Lauer question. We'll just join this segment in progress.
BUCHANAN: There's nothing heroic about breaking faith with your people, breaking the law, sneaking around in garages, putting stuff from an investigation up to a Nixon -- Washington Post --
LAUER: Even, though, Pat, if it keeps the system incorruptible?
BUCHANAN: He was corrupt himself in doing that. J. Edgar Hoover knew all the lurid secrets of Jack Kennedy, but thank God he didn't go out and give them to the Chicago Tribune. That would have been an awful thing to do. The FBI knows every secret almost about anybody they've ever investigated. Boy, Matt, if you want the FBI putting this material out on the record when somebody wants to, what kind of country do you want?
RUSH: I'll tell you what Buchanan is referring to here. One of the things, why he mentions The Chicago Tribune, you know, Kennedy was having an affair with a mobster's babe, Sam Giancana's babe. Her name was Judith Exner. Kennedy was having an affair, and of course this opens up all kinds of possibilities. Is it blackmail? What is the mob getting out of Kennedy for this, if anything. It just opened up a lot of questions and there were other things about Kennedy that the FBI people knew but they didn't put it out there, and Buchanan is saying that that's the proper thing to do. In this case, you had one guy, Mark Felt, who is saying, "We can't have a corrupt government like this. I've got to figure out a way to do this." And Buchanan addresses that here in just a second, but up next is Chuck Colson. And Matt Lauer said to him, he said, "It would be contrary to my responsibility as loyal man of the FBI to leak information." Chuck, do you think he should be held to those words?
COLSON: Oh, absolutely. I think the hero word that John O'Connor used is really tragic because a hero to me is someone that you want other people to emulate. I want kids to look up to heroes. And to say he was a hero because he broke his trust, he broke the confidence of the president of the United States. If you're a president of the United States, you've got to have somebody in the FBI you can talk to with the confidence you'd talk to a priest.
RUSH: And finally, Matt Lauer says to Buchanan on the Today Show today, "Let's say that Felt had gone into the director of the FBI, his boss at the time, Patrick Gray, and told him what he knew. The options were two. One, Gray would have done nothing, and two, that he would have started an investigation that would have ended up the same way."
BUCHANAN: Let me tell you what he should have done if he believed that. Go out and resign and say, "This investigation has been corrupted. I believe that there's a real problem and I believe it goes right to the White House and I'm not going to be a party to it. I believe the FBI's a honorable organization. We don't do those things." Instead, what did this man do? He lied and lied and lied for years because he was ashamed of what he did, and what he did was help destroy an enormously popular president and partly, as a consequence of that, what 58,000 Americans died for in Vietnam was poured down the sewer. I think Woodward and Bernstein were stenographers in the end.
RUSH: Not reporters, but stenographers, and he, on the way to making the same point that Ben Stein makes in his piece in the American Spectator Online today. "So, this is the great boast of the enemies of Richard Nixon, including Mark Felt: they made the conditions necessary for the Cambodian genocide. If there is such a thing as kharma, if there is such a thing as justice in this life of the next, Mark Felt has bought himself the worst future of any man on this earth. And Bob Woodward is right behind him, with Ben Bradlee bringing up the rear. Out of their smug arrogance and contempt, they hatched the worst nightmare imaginable: genocide. I hope they are happy now -- because their future looks pretty bleak to me." Meaning their future after life. Had they not brought down Nixon, we wouldn't have lost Vietnam. Had we not brought down Nixon, the Khmer Rouge would not have come to power and murdered two million people in a full-fledged genocide. And not even John Kerry could stop it, ladies and gentlemen, when he was dispatched by Nixon to Cambodia, which he never was, by the way. So many people in this with so many lies, all for the sake of propping up and maintaining a myth about the greatness of investigative journalism.
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| El Rushbo wrote: | | "It's absolute BS but the media loves this stuff because they're reliving -- even those who weren't alive and working then -- reliving that glorious period where they actually turned public opinion against the war." |
Which is PRECISELY the reason they are tone-deaf when it comes to Kerry. Kerry represents THEM...the cause they fought for and the ideology that drives their MSM engine. To acknowledge Kerry's guilt is to acknowledge their own CULPABILITY and COMPLICITY in his ability to perpetrate this massive fraud on an uniformed electorate. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy,
Thanks for the transcript. I couldn't remember the exact words Buchanan had said, but I sure as heck know his point very well.
| Quote: | | BUCHANAN: Let me tell you what he should have done if he believed that. Go out and resign and say, "This investigation has been corrupted. I believe that there's a real problem and I believe it goes right to the White House and I'm not going to be a party to it. I believe the FBI's a honorable organization. We don't do those things." Instead, what did this man do? He lied and lied and lied for years because he was ashamed of what he did, and what he did was help destroy an enormously popular president and partly, as a consequence of that, what 58,000 Americans died for in Vietnam was poured down the sewer. I think Woodward and Bernstein were stenographers in the end. |
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Yep, that's it, me-you! And they're seeing their heyday fade off into the oblivion that it has deserved right from the start.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the Washington Post in the last few days. Heheeeeee! (Not sure my virgin ears could take it, though. )
wpage, I'm pretty sure these were two different interviews that Buchanan has done, (the one you heard and the one on the Today show with Matt "wower" ) but Buchanan's been consistent as this story breaks, so I'm not surprised that this is the gist of what you heard.
And Buchanan's absolutely nailed it.
The canonization of Woodward and Bernstein just might run into a few speed bumps from here, mainstream media be damned!
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Here's the exact quote I heard last night:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8073205/
| Quote: | 'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for June 1
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
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GREGORY: Do we—don‘t we need anonymous sources to find out what is really going on in the government?
SCHORR: Yes. I think, if we didn‘t have anonymous sources, we‘d be much the poorer. A lot of things would have happened. If the Nixon administration hadn‘t been caught at the moment it had, heaven knows what would have happened. Nixon at that point was planning, after being reelected, to send sort of people down to every one of the government departments to help run these departments from the White House.
BUCHANAN: That‘s what you do when you win an election.
I‘ll tell what you would have happened. We might have won the Vietnam War and one million Cambodians might not have died. And all those Vietnamese might not be in prison camps and on boats in the South China Sea.
SCHORR: Well, Pat...
(CROSSTALK)
BUCHANAN: Look, the Nixon—look, the Nixon administration.
GREGORY: But, Pat, but, Pat...
(CROSSTALK)
BUCHANAN: Hold it. Wait a minute.
GREGORY: But you made this argument—go ahead. Finish your thought and then we‘ll...
BUCHANAN: Let me say this. Here‘s a thought.
The Nixon administration went up against “The Post” on the left and CBS. We won 60 percent of the country, 49 states. The country wanted Nixon‘s leadership. They had seen him for four years. And to suggest that somehow something horrible was going to happen because we were going to manage the departments tighter is preposterous. |
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Yes, thanks.... I hadn't seen that one... that's what I mean about Buchanan being consistent in what he's saying... he's really nailing those puffed-up, self-important peacocks to the wall. And he's so on the money!
And damn! It really hurts, doesn't it? What might have been. 
Just when you think you have gotten it all out of your system, along comes something like this attempt at putting this immoral, disloyal, money-grubbing criminal on a marble pedestal (and intentionally misleading the American public!) to break your heart all over again.
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| Rdtf wrote: | | I hope Felt's family enjoys their 30 pieces of silver. |
have to wonder about a book deal since the guy can't remember anything - that would be great payback if no one takes them up on it
from this article in the ...NewsVirginia.com
Felt family tried to sell story to People Mag in 2002, but People turned them down, wouldn't pay the $$ for the story . So then they went for a book deal in 2003, which fell through after the conflicting & confusing interviews with Felt....
| Quote: | On the trail of the secret informant
By J. TODD FOSTER
The News Virginian
Wednesday, June 1, 2005
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Ultimately the story died because of money. The Felt family and their attorney wanted a lot of money, and People magazine - with my blessing - backed away in what would have been a case of "checkbook journalism." Reputable news organizations don't pay a penny for news.
~snip
I was still convinced that Felt was Deep Throat, so I took the story to an author friend of mine who had written several books for HarperCollins, which would not be bound by the monetary precepts of journalism. The book publisher would have no prohibitions against buying Felt's story.
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.........we could not in good conscience go through with this book. The contract with the book publisher stated that our information had to be bulletproof, that we had to be able to prove Felt was Deep Throat.
It could not be done then and it cannot be done now, unless Woodward himself can produce documentation.
Even Felt himself claimed during several sections of the taped interviews that Woodward made up the source Deep Throat.
"I just thought he was making it up," the then 90-year-old Felt told my partner.
At one point during the interview, Felt referred to Deep Throat as a "small-time criminal." And added: "Deep Throat was just an imagined thing."
And of Woodward, Felt said this: "Well, he's making a lot of that up, I'm sure of that."
There were no 2 a.m. cloak-and-dagger meetings in parking garages, he said.
The problem with Felt is that three summers before, he had suffered a stroke and briefly was sent to recuperate in a convalescent home.
"He was very impaired, and I thought he was dying," his daughter, Joan, told my writing partner.
Felt soon moved into his daughter's basement. He was unhappy at the convalescent home and hard to manage by staff. He even spent all afternoon one day trying to reach the FBI, where he had retired more than 30 years earlier.
"? He had dementia. And memory loss," his daughter said. ? "He was extremely confused. He was up in the middle of the night [at the convalescent home], knocking on people's doors, thinking that he was doing investigations for the bureau."
On Nov. 8, 2003, Felt told my writing partner when asked if he wanted to come forward: "You can tell them that I am Deep ? that I was Deep Throat. The only thing is that Deep Throat is a little different than you probably have in mind. Deep Throat was not anybody real inside that was furnishing information. It was somebody confirming information."
Then Felt described his motive for coming clean then: "I guess ? I want some money for my family."
Earlier in that same interview, Felt said he didn't remember anything about Deep Throat, even saying at one point: "Well, I wasn't a Deep Throat."
Of Woodward, he said: "I don't think I ever provided information to him."
Later, Felt said: "? I thought Deep Throat was another source entirely."
It was only after prodding and coaching from his daughter and the family's attorney, John O'Connor of San Francisco, that Felt even gave his lukewarm admission.
Interviewed eight days later, on Nov. 16, 2003, he adamantly denied being the most famous journalism source in history - and one of Washington's few well-kept secrets.
Asked repeatedly if he was Deep Throat, Felt said the following during a long interview: "No, I'm not. ? Well, the truth is I was not Deep Throat in my acts or what I did. I got a lot of credit for being Deep Throat, though. ? That wasn't me. ? I don't want to say that I ever claimed to you or anyone that I was Deep Throat. ? All I know is that he was just a small-time criminal. ? Well, I was not Deep Throat. There were a lot of other sources involved, but I was not Deep Throat. ? Probably he [Woodward] had some legitimate sources, but I was not one. ? Well, just tell them that I deny that I was Deep Throat."
Ultimately, I would have loved having my byline on the story revealing Deep Throat. And I'll be nauseated every time I think about the story that got away.
But I know that I - and the people I worked with and for - did the right thing. |
Make a book out of that? Unless Woodward has some sort of proof. Theories abound that there is more to this story. Is this Felt being made the fall guy for the another Deep Throat? Still unexplained is who leaked to Woodward the scoop on the gap-in-the-tapes....
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Kate, you raise a good point. All of this hoopla is surrounding a demented old man who is totally confused. How can you not think that he may just be parroting things that his family has been putting in his mind for the last few years. Certainly, no one can put him in front of a camera for an interview. He is too confused and unreliable. The author of this story has TAPED INTERVIEWS with Felt which only show how unreliable he is!
It seems everyone is writing a book, even his own son, but waiting on Bob Woodward's blessing?
From the first part of this story:
| Quote: | But there's one interview you won't be seeing: Felt himself. The former No. 2 man at the FBI suffered a stroke in the summer of 2000. By his family's own admissions, he suffers from dementia. You will not see Mark Felt going on camera and saying he was Deep Throat.
Ultimately that's why I agreed with decisions by People and the book publisher HarperCollins to kill two separate projects naming Felt, with his family's cooperation, as Deep Throat.
In the spring of 2002, I first became virtually certain that Felt was Deep Throat. As the 30th anniversary of Watergate loomed, I was one of several People reporters to do a story examining Deep Throat speculations by former Nixon White House counsel John Dean.
I tracked down a telephone listing for a W. Mark Felt near Miami. The man who answered told me he was not the former FBI deputy director - he was his son, Mark Felt Jr.
In June 2002, at a small daily newspaper in Albany, Ga., where I was considering going as an editor, I freelanced an article on Deep Throat suspects and recounted my conversation with Felt Jr.
I asked the son if his father was Deep Throat.
"I'm not going to answer that yet," he said.
But Felt Jr. told me that Woodward had visited his father several times in Santa Rosa. Junior also said he was writing a book about his father but was still waiting to finish the final chapter.
When will you publish it, I asked?
"We don't know yet. We're waiting for a visit from Bob Woodward to figure out what to do."
Felt Jr. assured me that when the time was right, I would get the story about his father.
That time came about six months later, just as I was accepting the managing editor's job at this newspaper. I pitched the story to People and the magazine's top editor jumped aboard.
The project was so secret at People that I dealt directly with the top editor, Martha Nelson, and one of her high-ranking lieutenants. Even my editors at the D.C. Bureau knew nothing of the story, which was code-named "Project Green Door." (Perhaps from another porn movie title.)
Ultimately the story died because of money. The Felt family and their attorney wanted a lot of money, and People magazine - with my blessing - backed away in what would have been a case of "checkbook journalism." Reputable news organizations don't pay a penny for news. This also was during the Jayson Blair plagiarism scandal at The New York Times. The ethical meters at news organizations were tuned to full alert, or should have been.
I was still convinced that Felt was Deep Throat, so I took the story to an author friend of mine who had written several books for HarperCollins, which would not be bound by the monetary precepts of journalism. The book publisher would have no prohibitions against buying Felt's story.
HarperCollins subsidiary Regan Books agreed to the project. By then, I was immersed in my job here. I asked my author-friend, Jess Walter of Spokane, Wash., to take over and do most of the legwork. I happily agreed to give him most of the book advance.
Jess made three trips to Santa Rosa in late 2003 and sent me transcripts from his taped interviews with Deep Throat and the Felt family.
Ultimately, Jess advised me that we could not in good conscience go through with this book. The contract with the book publisher stated that our information had to be bulletproof, that we had to be able to prove Felt was Deep Throat.
It could not be done then and it cannot be done now, unless Woodward himself can produce documentation.
Even Felt himself claimed during several sections of the taped interviews that Woodward made up the source Deep Throat.
"I just thought he was making it up," the then 90-year-old Felt told my partner.
At one point during the interview, Felt referred to Deep Throat as a "small-time criminal." And added: "Deep Throat was just an imagined thing."
And of Woodward, Felt said this: "Well, he's making a lot of that up, I'm sure of that." |
Unless Woodward has tapes from 30+ years ago of Felt leaking the information to him, how do we know that Woodward hasn't made a deal with the family to portray him as DT.
I DO NOT TRUST Bob Woodward for a moment. HE MAKES THING UP!!
He was the one who claimed that he had a deathbed interview with former
CIA Director William Casey, in which Casey said Reagan knew all about
Iran/Contra. Problem was that Casey was in a DEEP COMA and near death.
But some how he woke up for Woodward and gave him this astounding information.
YEAH, RIGHT, BOB!!!!
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