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In a small Nebraska town on a hot August day in 1965 at the age of nine I stood by the side of my older cousin as they laid our grandpa into the ground. My cousin was in the US Navy and he wore his uniform with pride and we where all so proud of him and his service to our country.
July, 1971 while traveling across Canada on family vacation I would see in the distance long haired people. Was it a boy or a girl I couldn’t tell? The sound of our car would signal to them it was time to turn around and display their thumbs. Even after they turned around I still couldn’t determine if they were boy or girl because many of them were too young for facial hair. The one thing for certain facial hair or not there were only boys asking for a ride with their thumbs.
New years eve 1975 after graduating from boot camp I got all decked out in my class A uniform and headed home to see family and friends I thought perhaps they would feel the same about my service as they did about my cousin in 1965 I quickly learned that attitudes had changed.
June 1979, Family & Friends gathered once again as they laid my grandmother into the ground. By then I knew better then to wear my uniform.
July 1st, 2005 I witnessed the raising of a new flag that stands 338’ above the earth and is 120’ x 60’ with stars that are three feet big. As the flag reached the top of its staff the granddad of the Air Force a C130 flew from North to South over the greatest symbol of freedom this world has ever known. Men and Women from all branches of the military wore their uniforms with pride. Renditions of the National anthem, America the Beautiful, concluding with God Bless America as tears rolled down my cheeks.
Whenever I see a uniformed member of our military I make it a point to thank them for their service. They have earned it and deserve the pride they feel as they wear their uniforms.
What happened between 1965 and 1975 that changed the attitudes of family & friends towards members of the armed forces? What happened between 1979 and 2005 that has changed the attitudes for the better? Will 1970’s public opinion of our service members return once again?
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The first generation spawn of "liberalized" education hit the streets. McCarthy was looking at government and the arts and he, apparently, overlooked the education establishment. |
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coldwarvet
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | Quote: | | What happened between 1965 & 1975? |
The first generation spawn of "liberalized" education hit the streets. McCarthy was looking at government and the arts and he, apparently, overlooked the education establishment. |
I must of slipped through the cracks. But then ever since third grade I havn't got along teachers.
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I was in Radar school at Treasure Island in May of 1967and a few of us we went up to Berkley to view the campus. There was a protest going on but no one said a word to us and we were in uniform, it was just a protest march. I remember a student carrying a sign that said "Bring our babies Home" and I joked with her that she didn't have a baby in the service. The hatred type of actions came later and kerry and Hanoi Jane helped carry in on after his return to the States.
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| Just look at the liberal democrats today..that is what happen.. |
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A good case in point -- Rep Maxine Waters, the anti-war democrat, in front of a cheering crowd, called President Bush "a lair" and Vice President Cheney "a liar and a thief." Politicians like her have no respect for anybody, including our military personnel.
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| mtboone wrote: | | I was in Radar school at Treasure Island in May of 1967and a few of us we went up to Berkley to view the campus. |
Oh yea I believe that. In uniform, you were their checking out the grounds & the buildings.  But back then women couldn't resist a man in uniform.
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | Quote: | | What happened between 1965 & 1975? |
The first generation spawn of "liberalized" education hit the streets. McCarthy was looking at government and the arts and he, apparently, overlooked the education establishment. |
MTB and CWV,
you're both spot on, but Me#1 is on to something...In 1965, I returned home after my first year at PSU...thought I was just about the smartest thing on the planet. A 7th grade neighbor of mine came up to me and asked for some 'math tutoring' help during the summer. Of course, since I was the smartest kid in the state I said no problem! later that week we got started. His math book had unions, junctions, sets, and other functions, but WHERE WAS THE MATH?????????? I firmly believe that it was at that point we lost a whole generation (or 2 now, what with today's math books covering nothing but PC). While it saved my summer for me (I went and had a good time after my summer job rather than tutoring), but even back then I could somehow see this black cloud looming on the horizon.
Will the last engineer please turn out the lights!
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In with Liberal Education, we also have to include being inundated with the "Popular" view spawned by the looney left. Flower children passed out flowers, Lenin sang "Give Peace a Chance," TV showed how sweet life was when following leftie ideals, Sheeple had turned their backs on the likes of McCarthy, being convinced by the same looney left spreading vicious garbage today that he was just a neurotic seeing a "communist under every desk."
Add to that, Kruschevs promise to "bury" us earlier on and the infiltration of lefty (socialist) into our Universities, music industry, TV and movie industry, it's pretty evident to me just what has been going on.
Divide and conquer has alwys been the best way to bring a nation down and socilism has been doing a great job denying God and painting American Traditional Values as archaic and abusive. In the mean time, they have slowly infilitrated what was once a great party and nearly taken over the country.
Don't be fooled, todays looney left is no more than the socialists that brought Russia to it's knees in the Bolshevik Revolution.
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Perhaps we are on the cusp of a new awakening. Today was a great day! Today I witnessed military members wearing their uniforms with pride. Sandra announced her retirement. And the loony left is in self destruct mode. The USA is the greatest country in the world. We are successfully preaching the gospel of representative government throughout the world. “In God We Trust” and I do believe God continues to bless us. “GOD BLESS AMERICA”.
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| coldwarvet wrote: | | Perhaps we are on the cusp of a new awakening. |
Coldwarvet, it is a new awakening, when we came back we did not confront the protestors, we just remained silent and let them spew their sh&t because they were united and we were just one individual alone in a unknown world that we had left just a year or so earlier. We had seen so many things, lost friends and not knowing what it meant to be hated by fellow Americans at such a early age and not knowing why. Had we had a type of person as John O'Neill to unite us then, we would not have suffered the years of being ashamed of ourselves, remaining silent and hiding from our past not knowing what we had done wrong to these people or to our Country?
We have been blamed for many things over the last 35 plus years and it is our fault that we allowed it to happen. But on May 5, 2004 things changed and now we have fought back for the inactions of our past. On November 2, 2004 we made a decision that America will not be lead by some scum from the past that made our life so sorry for so many years, but it was still our fault.
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| mtboone wrote: | | coldwarvet wrote: | | Perhaps we are on the cusp of a new awakening. |
Coldwarvet, it is a new awakening, when we came back we did not confront the protestors, we just remained silent and let them spew their sh&t because they were united and we were just one individual alone in a unknown world that we had left just a year or so earlier. We had seen so many things, lost friends and not knowing what it meant to be hated by fellow Americans at such a early age and not knowing why. Had we had a type of person as John O'Neill to unite us then, we would not have suffered the years of being ashamed of ourselves, remaining silent and hiding from our past not knowing what we had done wrong to these people or to our Country?
We have been blamed for many things over the last 35 plus years and it is our fault that we allowed it to happen. But on May 5, 2004 things changed and now we have fought back for the inactions of our past. On November 2, 2004 we made a decision that America will not be lead by some scum from the past that made our life so sorry for so many years, but it was still our fault.
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That was then. They controlled MSM. They controlled the newspapers. They controlled the class rooms. Yes we could of, should of rallied around O’Neill in 71 when he stood up to Kerry on the Dick Cavett show. But how; who would carry our voice? What TV station? What newspaper? What professor? What courtroom?
This is now. We have learned the lessons of the past. The moral of our troops has never been higher. We have the new media. We are home schooling or sending our children to private school. Sandra is retiring and we are reclaiming the courts. Countries throughout the world are adopting representative governments, and the liberals and jihadists alike are on the run and self destructing. We are united in our cause and our cause is noble, we have just begun to unleash the energy of the 26,000,000 veterans that have been wrongfully depicted for 35 years. Once this energy is fully unleashed their will be no where for the liberals to hide we will have rightfully won the hearts and souls of America. Today is the day of the 26,000,000 who have worn the uniform to reclaim America. Yes we will all stand tall, proud and squared away because this is our time.
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I B Squidly
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What happened between '65 and '75?......1968!
Lew, you had me confused. The Mc Carthy that mattered wasn't Joe but Eugene. After his 30% show in the NH primary the ever opportunist 'Bobby' came off the fence to oppose LBJ and, by the way his brother's war and the promise to "Pay any price. Bear any burden."
Many saw stoic courage under fire at Khe Sahn but 'Uncle Walter' told us it was a loser. The chorus swelled among those who would never have to go.
Hard to remember what a different world we lived in then. For every Halberstrom in the media there were twenty Allsop's. Poor LBJ (and it's taken a long time to appreciate) seriously mislead by Robert Strange McNamara waltzed us into a losing strategy and a political quagmire. It came home to him and rubbed off on Happy Hubert to give us the man it seems everyone loves to hate, Dick Nixon. Not just the people who were anti-war, Cronkite sycophants, but mainstream demos could rally around a single object. How quickly we went from David Fryes impressions of LBJ the 'King' to 'Tricky Dick' and 'dick Nixon'.
I went to the '68 Convention Riot. In company was a former Marine FO, one poor slob who kept failing his physical (though ultimaley drafted) and the rest of us soon to be fired for missing work. We went to see the show and reactionary exuberence was well displayed. Keep in mind the spirit was more anti-democrat than anti-war. Keep in mind the spirit was for a 'winning' solution, not a cut and run. We all knew service members in or back from 'Nam and knew Goldwater had said it right four years ealier; "Fight to win or get out!"
Most of us went into '68 enjoying the great '60s boom. Affluence was our principal problem said Gailbraith (JK then embassador to India). Some enlisted, many were pulled from unfavorable courtrooms by recruiters (they can't do that anymore) and some were drafted. We all knew WWII and Korean vets and military service was still a virtue.
By New Years Day '69 it was all over. The 'System' was the enemy of civil rights that had morphed into Black Panthers and the Yippies had transmorgaphied into murderous Weatherman. No one cared or knew the difference...we lived in Amerika.....and it's true because some minimally educated SOB with a blow-drier said so on TV.
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IB, I meant Joe. What he was digging at and uncovering spilled over into the 60s as the ridicule of him reached it's peak and no one wanted to listen any longer. The Socialists effectively poisoned his efforts enough for John Q. Public to turn their backs and turn their emotions against more traditional America.
Although much did not happen until the late 1960s, the seeds were planted long before and took time to grow.
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Lew,
I was an eight year old hanging Nixon campaign doorhangers in '60 for my mother the block captain and my sympathetic father. Joe had left a stain best forgotten. In full voice for AuH2o we were still repulsed by the Birchers and their conspiracies, the 'Impeach Earl Warren' crowd. I don't think (and I'm not beyond being wrong) the anti- Joe thing didn't really took off until the 70's heyday of JFK assasination theories and PBS.
Of all the Presidents since?....I like Ike!
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