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Marine's Wife PO3
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 11:58 am Post subject: Kerry Has Amnesia !! |
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The flip flopping Kerry said yesterday in Arkansas,while still demanding Rumsfeld resign,or be fired. "Not one soldier died anywhere in this world,under President Clinton's watch"
I think he's got it! Amnesia,that is. He'd completely forgotten The USS Cole, The American Embassy Bombings, The "Blackhawk Down" debacle,MADE BY NON OTHER THAN THE "What IS is" Clinton! This is only a few.
You should have seen his face when he learned ,after running his mouth,that Sec.Rumsfeld was at that very moment, in Irag,visiting the troops. I thought he was going to croak on the spot! |
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happycats Seaman Recruit
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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The Kreep said "died in a WAR" America was not at war,only Alqeda was at war. |
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Montana Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 138 Location: Montana
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Marine´s Wife,
Something the US press
tends to ignore is that during peace time, annual deaths of
DOD personnel due to accidents number in the hundreds. Sailors are washed overboard, grunts are run over by tanks, accidental shootings, jet planes crash....all on a daily basis.
I would not be surprised if there are as many US military
deaths per year (in peace time around the world) then the number of US combat deaths in Iraq.
The US military, even in peace time, is a dangerous job.
Montana |
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happycats Seaman Recruit
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Montana wrote: | Hi Marine´s Wife,
Something the US press
tends to ignore is that during peace time, annual deaths of
DOD personnel due to accidents number in the hundreds. Sailors are washed overboard, grunts are run over by tanks, accidental shootings, jet planes crash....all on a daily basis.
I would not be surprised if there are as many US military
deaths per year (in peace time around the world) then the number of US combat deaths in Iraq.
The US military, even in peace time, is a dangerous job.
Montana |
In Peace time its about 1,000 |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The flip flopping Kerry said yesterday in Arkansas,while still demanding Rumsfeld resign,or be fired. "Not one soldier died anywhere in this world,under President Clinton's watch" |
Be honest in your attacks. If the truth is on your side, you may win. But if it is obvious what you say is wrong, you lose all credibility.
Quote: | "Thank you for being part of a great Democratic Party in the state of Arkansas that gave this country leadership over eight years that put America to work, grew our nation, made us stronger," he told several hundred people who greeted his campaign plane. "When Bill Clinton left office, not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world." |
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happycats Seaman Recruit
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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The Kreep said "died in a WAR" America was not at war,only Alqeda was at war. |
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Montana Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 138 Location: Montana
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks mikest for the Kerry quote, i.e. ¨Not one young American
in uniform was dying...¨
The below is not directed at anyone in particular. Just my thoughts:
I´m trying to understand the relevance of Kerry´s quote.
Any presidential
historian could find presidents in the past that this
quote fits. Or doesn´t fit. But so what? Don´t we have to take this in context with what´s going on in the world? The US has fought
numerous wars over the last 200 years. Sometimes young Americans
were dying when the president left office. Sometimes they
were not. There were times when our nation was very isolationalist
when possibly it shouldn´t have been. Some in England and
Canada would say that we should have been in WWII much earlier,
when these two countries were having their young men in uniform
dying for at least 2 years before we entered the war because of Pearl
Harbor.
Staying with Kerry´s quote, does this mean
if you have young Americans dying in a war, that president
is bad, and if none are dying that president is good?
Since young Americans were dying when both Lincoln and FDR left office were they bad presidents? (Possibly leaving office by dying
is not what Kerry meant.)
However, when Andrew Johnson left office, I´m not aware of
any young Americans in uniform dying. Johnson was not that
great of a President. Same for the next president U.S. Grant.
History has not been written for the period we are living in right now.
Time will tell.
Just my .02
Montana |
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sparky Former Member
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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"Not one soldier died anywhere in this world,under President Clinton's watch"
Montana, you're so funny. You requoted but left out the part that makes Kerry's statement true.
You quoted Kerry:
¨Not one young American in uniform was dying...¨
And he really said, truthfully ...
"When Bill Clinton left office not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world."
Funny how I get accused of "selective quoting" by Carpo or Greenhate (I forget which) when I requoted a sentence and there was nothing worth hiding anyway. You, however, leave out the very clause in your first sentence that shows Kerry was 100% accurate.
Man, you guys crack me up! |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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sparky wrote: | "Not one soldier died anywhere in this world,under President Clinton's watch"
Montana, you're so funny. You requoted but left out the part that makes Kerry's statement true.
You quoted Kerry:
¨Not one young American in uniform was dying...¨
And he really said, truthfully ...
"When Bill Clinton left office not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world."
Funny how I get accused of "selective quoting" by Carpo or Greenhate (I forget which) when I requoted a sentence and there was nothing worth hiding anyway. You, however, leave out the very clause in your first sentence that shows Kerry was 100% accurate.
Man, you guys crack me up! |
It was me and the accusation still stands waiting for your answer in the Silver Star for What thread.
You said you would respond and you haven't. Still waiting, chum. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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Montana Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 138 Location: Montana
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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sparky wrote: | "Not one soldier died anywhere in this world,under President Clinton's watch"
Montana, you're so funny. You requoted but left out the part that makes Kerry's statement true.
You quoted Kerry:
¨Not one young American in uniform was dying...¨
And he really said, truthfully ...
"When Bill Clinton left office not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world."
Funny how I get accused of "selective quoting" by Carpo or Greenhate (I forget which) when I requoted a sentence and there was nothing worth hiding anyway. You, however, leave out the very clause in your first sentence that shows Kerry was 100% accurate.
Man, you guys crack me up! |
Hey Sparky
I highlighted part of the actual quote that another poster sent in.
I thought the entire quote was in the window, but didn´t get the
window. Please don´t take this as if I was trying to twist this
to something else.
My text was written with Kerry´s actual quote in mind, that
you reposted. There
was nothing written that was pro or con anyone. Are you
this touchy with everyone in the group you hang with?
Montana
Seems like you took the whole thing wrong. |
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vatar Seaman Recruit
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 9
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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So using that criteria, Herbert Hoover must have been a much better president than FDR. |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Don't sweat it Montana. Sparky alters quotes to suit his message. He'll even change his own and call it a repost. When he gets caught, he drops that thread and goes to another. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Valid point Montana. I can't see much relavence. It's just a campaign speech and I was correcting the "mistake" by Marines Wife. |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject: Amnesia |
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I wonder how the candidates would stack up comparing amnesiac events?
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Campaigning Friday in Tuscaloosa, Ala., Bush was asked about his 1972 service in that state.
"I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period of time," he said. "I made up some missed weekends."
"I can't remember what I did, but I wasn't flying because they didn't have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my obligations." |
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Montana Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 138 Location: Montana
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Amnesia |
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Craig wrote: | I wonder how the candidates would stack up comparing amnesiac events?
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Campaigning Friday in Tuscaloosa, Ala., Bush was asked about his 1972 service in that state.
"I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period of time," he said. "I made up some missed weekends."
"I can't remember what I did, but I wasn't flying because they didn't have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my obligations." |
This really doesn´t have anything to do with your post Craig.
I just wanted to comment on drills in the reserves and Guard.
Over the years, I´ve known hundreds of reservists (possibly thousands
but I didn´t keep track). I knew them from an administrative
perspective, while on active duty, either stationed at a reserve
center or working jointly with Guard units. (When I was rotating from the fleet
to these places in this country in the 60´s and 70´s as well
as the 80´s and 90´s.
Reserve and Guard members are constantly rescheduling their
drills, due to conflicts. Everyone I knew had conflicts. There
were also many who did not show up at all for months. Depending
on their drill requirements, some were recalled to active duty.
(I only knew enlisted that this happened to. No officers ever
were recalled that I ever recall).
Others were carried on the rolls for months, in a non-pay status.
Others showed up later and made up all their drills. Others
did not. Some put in to end their requirements early. Seems
that was the case for David Robinson (basketball player). Others
come to mind (more famous) but I can´t remember their names.
If you were to ask some of these members today what they
were doing decades ago, i.e. did you make your regular drills or did you
make up the drill or did you have a ¨good year,¨etc.,
many would be hard pressed to answer you.
I personally know reservists (Guard ...same thing) who thought
they had 20 good years to retire, when they did not...and had
to drill 2 more years to qualify. Many were conscientious
drillers.
None of the above has anything to do with President G. Bush.
I know nothing about his drill records.
None of this
has anything to do with John Kerry. I know nothing about
Kerry´s drill records (when he was a Ready Reservist) after
he was released from active duty.
Just my ramblings...from personal experience with Reserves
and the Guard...for what it´s worth. (I´m sure I´ve overlooked
something above or left something out, but I´ll leave that
to someone else to point out)
Montana
US Navy (64-95) |
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