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 Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:21 am Post subject: Kerry’s ticket to Paris > David Dellinger ? |
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David Dellinger had been a Hanoi traveler since the early 1960s, a pacifist involved in negotiating the release of POWs for propaganda purposes. (something Kerry’s VVAW was also known for)
Kerry’s & Dellinger’s paths could have crossed as early as April 1969 when Kerry was assigned to Brooklyn after returning from Vietnam, or at least by fall 1969 when the Moratorium marches took place. Kerry had an ‘in’ to the Paris Peace talks by May 1970.
Kerry later made a 2nd trip to Paris in the summer of 1971 see this thread for more info on Kerry’s trips to Paris
The VVAW that Kerry belonged to had affiliations with various New Left groups - many of those same groups crossed paths under the umbrella of the MOBEand the 100 organizations under the New Mobilization Committee aka New Mobe, or NMC
Some of Dellinger’s affiliations, per articles & links below
National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam MOBE
David Dellinger, Chairman**
The Committee of Liaison
Co-chaired by Cora Weiss and David Dellinger
The Indochina Peace Coalition
Run by David Dellinger and headlined by Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden
The War Resisters League
The Chicago Seven, Defendant
** In January 1969, the weakened Mobe took part in Inaugural Demonstrations as Nixon was sworn into the office of President. That summer, remnants of the Mobe reconstituted themselves in the New Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, headquartered in Washington D.C. This group divided during 1970 with some members joining the National Peace Action Coalition (NPAC) and others the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice (PCPJ).
John Kerry crossed paths with this New Mobilization Committee by the fall of 1969
see Beatrice1000’s thread | Quote: | kerry's trail <Navy/VVAW - his words & deeds
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21. ---Oct.?, 1969: Peggy Kerry went to work for the Vietnam Moratorium and its plans for a large peace rally. John, back from the war, was stationed at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. “John was not yet fully involved in the peace effort, but he agreed to fly Adam Walinsky, who had been a key speechwriter for Bobby Kennedy, around the state in support of the Moratorium,” she recalls. <..> (She has a few pointed views about the (2004) campaign: ….“Bringing in the veterans, his combat buddies, also proved to be highly successful.”) SOURCE
22. ---Oct. 14-15, 1969: Kerry is a pilot, and on October 14 and 15 he flew Ted Kennedy's advisor Adam Walinsky by private plane throughout the State of NY so that Walinsky could give speeches against the Vietnam War… SOURCE
(B.Note: kerry, a Lt(jg) in the U.S. Naval Reserve and a Personal Aide to a Rear Admiral, flies a senator’s advisor around in a private plane. Did the Navy’s Rules/Regulations require that he advise of this activity and/or get permission of any kind? And if so, did he? If required, would this be a written or verbal authorization? Did he request leave (none shown in available records) or do this on Navy time? Was this activity in violation of any section of the UCMJ?)
…..Oct. 15, 1969: kerry attends the Moratorium March on WDC, reported by sister Peggy: SOURCE and SOURCE |
As Dellinger is a fellow traveler, and the purported key to Kerry’s ticket to Paris, I have included some snippets of info on Dellinger’s activities in the articles that follow, which demonstrate Dellinger's inside track with Hanoi.
We'll meet some of Dellinger's & Kerry's other fellow travelers as well.
-includes an article about a rally both Dellinger & Kerry appeared in April 1972 in Bryant Park
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Answer this question, Mr. Kerry
Sunday, October 17, 2004
They just don't get it.
The first remark of too many voters, after watching the political advertisements crafted by the Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth -- which detail John Kerry's secret treachery in the spring of 1970, is "I wasn't even born then!"
Others, ignoring the skills of makeup artists, ask, "Is he really that old?"
Some, mostly older folks, ask, "Was he really one of those awful hippies?"
Ironically, sometimes among the sound bites and entertainment provided by soaps, game shows and sporting events, there is an opportunity to learn some history and hard facts. Facts that demonstrate that Kerry did, indeed, have secret meetings with our enemies, the Viet Cong, while their comrades in Asia were killing our troops.
Kerry and his new wife, Julia Thorne, had a beautiful May for their honeymoon in Paris. However, Kerry, always the opportunist, used the visit to meet with the foreign minister of Vietnam's Provisional Revolutionary Government, Nguyen Thi Binh, best known as the Viet Cong's Dragon Lady.
Kerry was busy as a beaver, also meeting, according to French intelligence sources, with Le Duc Tho of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, the personal representative of another old monster, Ho Chi Minh.
These were heady times for a U.S. Navy lieutenant.
The Dellinger nexus
Remember when he says that he met with delegations from "both sides" that he seeks to give the impression that one side was non-Communist. It's a typical Kerry cute-ism.
Madame Binh was an important communist and a stickler for protocol. The meeting with her, according to some members of the War Resisters League, was arranged by an old American lefty, David Dellinger. His claims to infamy were his role in the Chicago riots of 1968, his actions as a facilitator for the Viet Cong in releasing American prisoners-of-war, and of course, being, like Kerry, a product of Yale.
Democrats who support Kerry become hysterical when questions are asked about "secret" meetings, claiming that, since their hero told the Fulbright Committee, 11 months later, about his meetings, and waited until a July 1971 press conference to demand that the U.S. withdraw from Vietnam and pay reparations (the Dragon Lady's own terms), there was no secret.
Well, it was only in March 2004, that the Kerry campaign admitted he had met with Binh, and no one is asking about Le Duc Tho. We do know that on his return to the United States, in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, on talk shows and at rallies, Kerry carried the communist message with him, consistently making the point that America was the only unreasonable party at the peace talks. For him, we were fighting an immoral war and should accept the position of the enemy, the North Vietnamese.
What Kerry did in 1970 and 1971 was to collaborate with enemy combatants, giving them aid and comfort. Today, Kerry maintains that no one must ever confuse the Vietnam War with "the warriors" who fought it.
But times have really changed.
On Feb. 18, 2004, there was an Associated Press story about Army Spc. Ryan G. Anderson, 27, a National Guardsman stationed at Fort Lewis, Wash. Television news said that the charges being made "could" lead to the death penalty, but this was dropped as the court martial began.
Anderson had been caught in an al-Qaida probe, and the military court that last month sentenced him to a life term heard how he had tried to supply details of the armor deployed in Iraq to terrorists. He used chat rooms on the Internet. Anderson communicated by "oral, written and electronic communication" to terrorists, saying "I wish to meet with you. I share your cause. I wish to continue contact through conversations and personal meetings."
The normal military appeal process is under way.
Look back just 30 years. By every definition the Viet Cong were a terrorist organization, engaged in killing Americans, torturing their prisoners who they classed as war criminals, and attempting to get money from the United States as reparations.
John Kerry sought them out, traveled clandestinely to Paris and accepted instruction from the Dragon Lady as to how to advance the communist cause and hasten America's surrender.
Kerry is just lucky that his actions occurred three decades ago and that he was not assigned to Fort Lewis in 2004. Specialist Anderson never met up with any terrorists. Kerry did. He shared their cause, and continued contact with them through conversations and meetings. Trouble is, our enemies today don't have a single human face, or a single voice, with a clear outcome to their agenda.
If John Kerry wins, whose instructions will guide him?
Dateline D.C. is written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer.
Originally published in PittsburgLive
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Follow up article by
PittsburgLive
The old New Left lives
Sunday, October 31, 2004
There are now less than 72 hours until we vote in the presidential election. Will it be the beginning of the end for the security of the United States? Or will it signal the end of John Kerry's beginning to betray his fellow Americans as he already did in 1971?
Five months ago, David Dellinger, the man who made possible Kerry's treachery in Vietnam 30 years ago, died at age 88 in a retirement home in Montpelier, Vt. Last weekend, nearly a thousand people from what was once known as "The New Left" gathered at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York to memorialize one of their historic leaders -- and show their hatred for President George Bush by honoring another traitor.
Dellinger began his career in nonviolence at Yale University during the 1930s. He graduated from supporting labor unions, to driving an ambulance during the Spanish Civil War, to prison in the United States for refusing induction in the draft in 1940 when the Nazis were soon to become the enemy. He was best known as the enemy of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations' war in Vietnam.
In 1966, Dellinger made his first visit, of five weeks, to North Vietnam and met with their Ho Chi Minh. His travels during this time took him to Beijing and Moscow for other, more secret, meetings.
From then until the end of hostilities in 1975, Dellinger acted as adviser and courier to America's enemies in Asia. He advised on the release of prisoners of war and sought reports on their subsequent behavior in the states. Perhaps of greater importance to the Vietnamese Communists, he advised them as to whom and on which organizations they could trust as allies. In due course, Lt. John Kerry, another "Eli" (as Yalies like to style themselves), received the Dellinger seal of approval and met, on his Paris honeymoon, with Col. Ha Van Lau, deputy chief of the North Vietnamese peace negotiating team and Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, their foreign minister. There the planning of Kerry's lies to the Fulbright Committee in the U.S. Senate were invented and refined.
Infamous history
But David Dellinger's infamy in the United States already had crested, with his leadership of the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam (MOBE), his management of the Chicago riots during the 1968 Democratic National Convention and his notorious role as a defendant in the Chicago Seven trial.
Dellinger's role in Chicago -- as a professional pacifist with a Yale background and Vietnamese credentials -- was to bridge differences among the various anti-U.S. groups arriving to demonstrate against the war. Much older in comparison with most of the demonstrators, he was able to persuade anarchists from the Youth International Party (YIP) to work with some AFL-CIO groups, the violent Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and what is now called "the multitude."
Dellinger maintained his very own pacifist principles. He did not throw bottles at the police, he did not take part in the fist fights -- he did not urge violence. But, when he learned of a particularly fierce confrontation between outnumbered police and a rock-throwing, chain-wielding mob, he would smile and say "Let's drop over and join the demonstration!"
It was not surprising that Dellinger's old comrades were at his memorial. It was an opportunity for the old left to revitalize, and personally rally behind, the Anyone But Bush cause.
There were the aged folk singer, Pete Seeger, leading the singing of "Joe Hill" and "We Shall Overcome." There were older campaigners for anti-American causes -- George Houser, Howard Douglas, Howard Zinn and Leslie Cagan. There was Vernon Bellecourt, a veteran leader of the American Indian movement, who performed his verbal war dance against the United States. Leonard Weinglass, attorney to the left for 30 years, reminisced about some of his court victories over the police. Tom Hayden, Dellinger's associate in his travels and Viet Cong comrade, told tales without mentioning the role of Jane Fonda and his other wives.
Ossie Davis with his companion of decades, Ruby Dee, perhaps remembering the recent honors heaped on them by the Bush administration, were no-shows, claiming to be on location for a new movie; the state poet of Vermont, Grace Paley, was sick.
Jay Craven, former SDS leader from the 1970s, Vietnam traveler, independent film producer and Dellinger's neighbor in Vermont, acted as master of ceremonies and added thoughts about his exciting youth.
This was a gathering as frightening in its latent vicious hostility not only toward President Bush, but also to America -- as in the delight of those present in each and every victory claimed on behalf of Dave Dellinger.
To us, the significance of the memorial gathering was two-fold. First, John Kerry was not mentioned, either as to his past, present or future. It was apparent that he was and is seen as a tool to be used. Second, the old New Left has never gone away -- now with grown families, successful careers and money in the bank, they are looking for a leader.
Most believe that they have found her -- Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.
Dateline D.C. is written by a Washington-based journalist and political observer
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Dave Dellinger: The Life of a Nonviolent Warrior
By Greg Guma
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Everyone should have that kind of older brother! Going up against the national “peace leaders” of his day, Dave, along with Ralph DiGia, Dave McReynolds, Joan Baez and a handful of others, often sided with the SDS – Students for a Democratic Society, which came on strong beginning in 1965 with a call for a national antiwar demonstration. After that demonstration, Dave was jailed again -- and threatened with charges of treason. But when some of his fellow prisoners heard about that, they refused bail unless the threats were dropped. Faced with true solidarity, the government backed off.
The next year Dave visited Vietnam for the first time, personally witnessing the ruthless conduct of the war, visiting with US POWs, and getting the Vietnamese side of the story from Ho Chi Minh. Dave says Ho never spoke harshly on Americans, although he did criticize the US preoccupation with money and materialism. They talked about Harlem – Ho had worked for a Brooklyn family after World War I – the poverty of Black people, and how anti-Communist paranoia had led the US into a series of arrogant mistakes. Before they parted, Ho Chi Minh offered a final message:
“We do not want to humiliate the Americans or make it difficult for them to return home. If they finally decide to let us live in peace and to take their soldiers home where they can lead safe and honorable lives, we will have celebrations for them. Our girls will bring flowers to the boats as they get ready to sail away and our musicians will pay songs for them.
Dave didn’t completely buy that, but he was captivated and impressed by the revolutionary leader. And the visit did lead to a series of other visits Dave helped organize until the war ended. |
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From The Nation Volume• Date: April 01, 1968
The Petty Route Home
by Zinn, Howard
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| Quote: | The State Department had learned from Radio Hanoi that North Vietnam was about to release three captured American aviators, and had read in The New York Times that Hanoi had wired David Dellinger, inviting a responsible representative to come to Hanoi to receive the fliers. In risk, however, lies the only hope of escape from deep troubles--the risk of humane response to humane acts, or even the risk of unilateral initiatives. This obsessive fear, that if the next point is won or lost, the game, the world, and all the galaxies are lost, leads to disregard not only of the lives of the enemy's children but of one's own.
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May 14, 1973 US News & World Report
HOW THE POW's FOUGHT BACK
By John S. McCain III Lieut. Commander, U.S. Navy
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| Quote: | So this was a period of repeated, severe treatment. It lasted until around October of '69. They wanted me to see delegations. There were antiwar groups coming into Hanoi, a lot of foreigners-Cubans, Russians. I don't think we had too many American "peaceniks" that early, although within the next year it got much greater. I refused to see any of them. The propaganda value to them would have been too great, with my dad as commander in the Pacific.
David Dellinger came over. Tom Hayden came over. Three groups of released prisoners, in fact, were let out in custody of the "peace groups." The first ones released home with one of the Berrigan brothers. The next group was a whole crew. One of them was James Johnson, one of the Fort Hood Three. The wife of the "Ramparts" magazine editor and Rennie Davis were along. Altogether, I think about eight or nine of them were in that outfit. Then a third group followed . |
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New Evidence From Moscow
by William P. Hoar
| Quote: | | The Quang document, dated September 15, 1972, after noting that "progressive" prisoners could be released first, stated, "Soon we will free several POWs in order to put pressure on the Nixon administration, observe his reaction and the reaction of the American public, as well as to demonstrate our good intentions in this matter." That did occur: On September 27, 1972, three POWs were released and left Hanoi in the company of such "antiwar" stalwarts as Cora Weiss, Richard Folk, William Sloan Coffin Jr., and David Dellinger. |
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October 1969, Vol. 52, No. 10
Air Force Magazine's October 1969 cover story
Prisoners of War--
The Forgotten Americans of the Vietnam War
By Louis R. Stockstill
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POW Releases Follow Pattern
All the prisoner releases by Hanoi--two last year and one this August--have followed a similarly disturbing pattern. First, they have been but token gestures, letting just three men out at a time. Second, they have been accompanied by blatant propaganda announcements in the guise of either "humanitarianism" or "good will," or coupled with some "special" day. Third, the names of the men to be freed are withheld for periods of more than a month, thus creating untold agony for thousands of hopeful next of kin. Fourth, releases are carried out through dissident US intermediaries instead of the International Committee of the Red Cross, the traditional go-between in matters affecting war prisoners.
As a condition of each of the three prisoner releases, Hanoi has insisted that US pacifist groups be sent to North Vietnam to take custody of the prisoners and accompany them out of the country.
After a protracted wait, the identities of the prisoners are presented to the world in a staged ceremony. Finally, they are allowed to depart for home with their pacifist countrymen, who are merely used by Hanoi in a grossly overt effort to foment further unrest among American citizens and abet militant critics abroad.
The first two prisoner releases took place last year. Three men were released in February, three more in July. All six were "short termers"--that is, men who had been held prisoner for relatively brief periods of time.
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The man designated by Hanoi as the principal go-between for the releases is a fifty-four-year-old pacifist named David Dellinger. Chairman of an organization known as the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, he has traveled frequently to Communist bloc nations and to North Vietnam. Currently, he is under indictment on charges of conspiring to incite a riot in Chicago during last year's Democratic Convention.
As the main contact in the prisoner releases, Dellinger, in turn, has named other US pacifists to act as "escorts" in bringing the prisoners out of Hanoi.
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Like the two preceding releases, the third also was carried out under the banner of David Dellinger. On this occasion, he designated a somewhat ragtag escort group. The group was substantially larger than any previously dispatched. There were four escorts. They took along three cameramen.
Leader and spokesman was Rennard C. Davis, twenty-nine, National Coordinator of Dellinger's National Mobilization Committee. A member of Students for a Democratic Society, Davis is also under indictment on charges growing out of the Chicago riots. He had to obtain a court ruling in order to leave the country.
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COLUMN NINETY, MAY 1, 2003
RETROPOP SCENE:
COVERING AN ANTI-WAR RALLY DURING THE VIETNAMESE FIASCO
| Quote: | [Even during so bloody and senseless a conflict as the war in Vietnam, it took years for the doctrinaire fringists and the center Left to coalesce into an effective anti-war movement. Here’s a report I wrote about a peace march I covered at the time.]
The cold rain was as relentless as the marchers.
I got there too late and stayed too long. When it was over I had a fever. I never learned exactly what was accomplished at the corner of Sixth Avenue and 40th Street that Saturday afternoon any more than I knew what was being accomplished at Anloc at that very moment.
But I did know that when Yoko Ono told the 30,000 (maybe 40,000, maybe 50,000) gathered there that the time had come for North Vietnam to invade America, I suddenly remembered 1941 right after Pearl Harbor.
A woman in California saw a street sweeper coming down her road one night, thought it was a Japanese tank and hysterically called the police to tell them that the enemy had landed. It's people like that woman in California who still run this country.
Whether Yoko realized it or not, the North Vietnamese had already invaded America. The battle of Anloc was being fought as much at Sixth Avenue and 40th Street that Saturday afternoon as it was on South Vietnam's Route 13.
As speaker after speaker told the peace march crowd, the demonstrations and the riots through all those years of war had helped whittle down the hand that our government was left to play.
Would American public opinion force the withdrawal of our ground forces from Vietnam? Every time the North Vietnamese mounted an offensive in Indo China, there was an offensive mounted on the streets of America.
I wondered as I lay in my delirium that Saturday night, who was pulling the strings?
This was an unneeded war, an unpopular war, a dishonorable war, a war that had brought profit only to America’s military-industrial complex and only to America’s carpet-baggers in Saigon while draining the rest of our country of its youth, its innocence, its joys its wealth, its spirit, leaving us in a financial depression that drove us all insane, shrouding us in the same kind of chilling gloom that fell from the heavens that Saturday afternoon.
The North Vietnamese had seemed as determined as the rest of us to defeat President Nixon at the polls the following November. Did we have to hate him so much that we would rather be governed by Pham Van Dong?
I heard the same old speeches from the stage at Sixth Avenue and 40th Street that Saturday afternoon, but I didn't see too many of the same old faces. Where was Abbie Hoffman? Where was Shirley Chisholm? Where was Dick Gregory? And Shirley McLaine and Ramsey Clark and Senator McGovern? Where was Mayor Lindsay, for that matter?
Oh, that old anti-war horse David Dellinger was there, but he never came close to getting it on the way I’d heard him in the past. Ossie Davis Jr. gave a nice talk, and Ben Gazzara and John Kerry, but they, too, seemed soggy in the rain.
John Lennon displayed great courage even to show up, risking deportation as a political recrimination from Tricky Dick when John so obviously wanted to become a part of America. And there was Daniel Ellsberg, quietly ennobled by his martyrdom. It seemed funny to watch him and Dellinger warming up over coffee in a Child’s on Broadway. Someone took a picture and Ellsberg walked over to find out who it was.
What I mean is that there wasn’t too much inspiration emanating from that stage at Sixth Avenue and 40th Street that Saturday afternoon. There was no one who could stir up a crowd the way Fred Hampton used to get the audience going in Chicago, who could give us goose pimples like Pete Seeger did when he led us in the singing of Give Peace A Chance in Washington in November of 1969, who could warm us with the kind of brimming emotion that Bob Dylan and George Harrison gave us at the Concert for Bangladesh.
There was no Bobby Kennedy to thrill us with an "I See A Day" speech. There was no Martin Luther King to overwhelm us with an "I Have A Dream" sermon. There was no real leader on that stage, no one with any hint or promise that he might be the one to make America whole again.
There was only a perfunctory parade of celebrities and dignitaries and representatives of all the different factions so that the committee that put the show together couldn't be criticized for not touching all bases.
There was only that parade and the nameless committee. The only real inspiration there that Saturday afternoon came from the crowd itself, high school and college kids mostly, happy to participate in so spontaneous a brotherhood against so obvious an evil, chanting "OUT NOW!" while catching pneumonia in the downpour, sticking it out in their improvised rain gear, plastic garbage bags with holes cut out for their arms and heads.
These poor kids were so full Of hope and spirit that they’d follow any idiot who’d give them a chance to get together, who'd offer them some kind of out from the crazy tyranny they saw chaining their future.
What frightened me was that they were being used as pawns in some deadly game between Hanoi and Washington. For Nixon to be able to contain these demonstrations, for him to be able to keep them relatively uneventful, he would win. But if there were to be bigger and better Kent State massacres, he would lose. To me, the thought was even more chilling than the rain.
I’m not saying that there were no moments of magic that
Saturday afternoon. There was John Hammond Jr. playing slide guitar and singing a blues song that he knew didn't relate to anything the crowd had come to accomplish that day, but he was just doing what he could do. There was David Amram singing a new song he had written for the occasion:
"Don't forget that Jesus never got elected. . .Still we all remember his name. . .Moses had no rifles. . .Mohammed spoke no trifles. . .All three still lead people just the same. . .”
There was that and there was the crowd, full of kids who had never marched before, who had never been sickened by tear gas, who had never been bloodied by night sticks. I admired the way the New York cops handled themselves. Could the police in other cities be kept so cool?
As for me I didn't want to hear any more lies from Washington, but I didn't want to hear the same old doctrinaire manure from the professional rad-libs, either. I just wanted us to get out of Vietnam right away! And find somebody who could make America whole again. ##
THE BLACKLISTED JOURNALIST IS A SERVICE MARK OF AL ARONOWITZ
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Battle of Anloc, places this at April 1972
see Beatrice1000’s thread kerry's trail <Navy/VVAW - his words & deeds
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1. ---Apr. 22, 1972: KERRY-- rally speaker in anti-war demonstration, “Emergency March for Peace,” NY (“stop the bombing," "bring GIs home now," "US out of SE Asia")
FLYER (WS)
(NOTE: sponsors of march, NPAC, are located at 150 – 5th Avenue, NY. The office of the VVAW is: 156 – 5th Avenue, NY.)
........Apr. 22, 1972: KERRY (“a leader of the VVAW”) speaker in NY rally; demonstrations nationwide incl. Univ of IL protests; speakers: ...Fonda, Angela Davis, No. Vietnam Paris negotiator by phone,.... ARTICLE (WS)
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ACCOUNTING FOR MISSING SERVICEMEN
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| Quote: | On November 26, 1969, DIA received what it described internally as its "first list." While perhaps coincidental, the receipt from Hanoi of such a list may have been related to Mr. Elder's visit to Hanoi the previous month. This "first list", consisting of 59 names, was provided to anti-war activist Mr. David Dellinger.
Of the 59 names on the Dellinger list, 54 were carried by both DIA and the services as POWs. The other five were carried as POWs by DIA and as MIAs by their respective services.
In January 1970, the Committee of Liaison with the Families (COLIAFAM), released a list of 156 U.S. POWs detained in North Vietnam. The Co-Directors of the Committee were Cora Weiss and David Dellinger. The Committee also released a list of five servicemen "confirmed as being dead by the North Vietnamese." Of these five, three were listed by the DRV at the time of the Paris Peace Accords as having died in captivity, while the other two were never confirmed as having been held captive. The remains of all five have been repatriated.
Throughout 1970 and 1971, the list of confirmed POWs grew, as efforts to facilitate the exchange of mail and to obtain partial lists from North Vietnam slowly progressed. Mail and other information arrived through a variety of channels, including the Friends, COLIAFAM, other activists, Mr. H. Ross Perot, and even the Swedish Prime Minister, Olav Palme. By September 1970, the number of confirmed American prisoners had risen to 335. On December 22, 1970, North Vietnam provided Senator Edward Kennedy with a list of 368. As before, the North Vietnamese claimed that this was a comprehensive list of U.S. POWs detained inside North Vietnam.
In mid-1972, the Japanese "Nipon Dempa" News Agency released a list of 390 U.S. POWs. DIA analysis found that 339 of the names on this list had been acknowledged previously as POWs by the DRV, 9 were individuals already released, 20 were servicemen the DRV had reported earlier as dead, and 22 were new names, all airmen lost over North Vietnam between December 1970 and May 1972.
In June and August, 1972, Senator Kennedy announced the receipt of two new lists, of 24 and 10 respectively. All of the names on these lists were associated with recent combat activity. By the fall of 1972, the list of confirmed U.S. POWs held by North Vietnam had risen to more than 400. |
Interesting name to pop up
Kennedy seems to have traveled in the same circles
would that make him a ...fellow traveler
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Kerry’s 1st known rally---News article from the time period
BBC News
15 October
1969:
Millions march in US Vietnam Moratorium
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Americans have taken part in peace initiatives across the United States to protest against the continuing war in Vietnam.
The Peace Moratorium is believed to have been the largest demonstration in US history with an estimated two million people involved.
In towns and cities throughout the US, students, working men and women, school children, the young and the old, took part in religious services, school seminars, street rallies and meetings.
Supporters of the Vietnam Moratorium wore black armbands to signify their dissent and paid tribute to American personnel killed in the war since 1961.
The focal point was the capital, Washington DC, where more than 40 different activities were planned and about 250,000 demonstrators gathered to make their voices heard.
| Quote: | I do believe this nation is in danger of committing itself to goals and personalities that guarantee the war's continuance.
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Some peace demonstrators gathered on the Capitol steps last night singing songs and holding a candlelit vigil until rallies began in the morning.
Addressing a rally in Washington, Dr Benjamin Spock, the child care expert, said the war was a "total abomination" that was crippling America and must be stopped.
Outside the White House, there were scuffles and several arrests made when police clamped down on black activists.
In Portland, Oregon, 400 protesters clashed with police after an attempt to prevent conscripts entering an army induction centre.
Administration supporters have been critical of the moratorium. General Wheeler, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called protesters "interminably vocal youngsters, strangers alike to soap and reason".
In a letter to President Richard Nixon, 15 Republican Congressmen have called for an intensification of the campaign.
Supporters of the war made their views known, too.
In New York, where the mayor, John Lindsay, had ordered the US flag to be flown at half-mast for the day, police officers and fire fighters drove with their headlights on in protest at the moratorium day as did many ordinary American citizens.
Some offiicials wore badges that read: "USA - Unity and Service for America".
But Senator Edward Kennedy, a vocal anti-war campaigner, called for combat troops to be withdrawn from Vietnam by October next year and all forces by the end of 1972.
Speaking in Boston, Senator Kennedy was careful not to accuse the president of perpetuating the war.
"I do not believe that President Nixon is committed to continuing the war in Vietnam, but I do believe this nation is in danger of committing itself to goals and personalities that guarantee the war's continuance."
President Nixon continued to work from the White House without comment, as thousands marched around him.
Peace activists congregated outside US embassies across Europe. In London a crowd of some 300 people demonstrated opposite the US Embassy in Grosvenor Square |
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from the BBC link above
| Quote: | | Peace activists congregated outside US embassies across Europe. In London a crowd of some 300 people demonstrated opposite the US Embassy in Grosvenor Square |
straying off-topic, but couldn't resist including this tidbit of one who particpated in the London version of the Moratorium rally
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Bill Clinton's Dec. 3, 1969 Letter to ROTC Colonel
| Quote: | ........Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say. First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft,
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I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations Oct. 15 and Nov. 16. |
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GREAT INFO!! (Clinton in with the Moratorium crowd? -- that's a good add!)
what set you off on Dellinger? --
I've noted Dellinger's name over and over again in all sorts of forms and sometimes I included him, but in general, I normally just pass him by, in the FBI files, too, I think -- this info. brings him into focus and now I'm sorry I bypassed him many times... Do you really think Dellinger was the Paris setup? Well he could have been, for sure, seeing he was in the thick of it... I've always been suspicious of McGovern, too -- wasn't he going back & forth? Well, someone set it up -- he didn't just arrive in Paris & call information for the Vietcong!
I'm glad you did this work -- bringing his name out -- now I will be more aware.
You reminded me of the testimony by Cora Weiss that I only partially read, but I recall the name Dellinger in assoc. with her -- the data is in one of my side info dumps that wasn't put into my thread. I may still put her in at a later time. But anyway, you might want to check it out. Here are a few loose clips:
Congressional Hearings - American Prisoners of War in Southeast Asia, 1971
Tuesday, April 20, 1971
House of Representatives, Committee on Foreign Affairs
Subcommittee on National Security Policy & Scientific Developments, WDC
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/vietnam-hcfrpows-19710420.html
| Quote: | <…> The subcommittee met at 2:05 p.m. pursuant to call, in room 2172, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Clement J. Zablocki (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
Mr. Zablocki: There being no further statement, I would like to ask Mrs. Weiss to comment on a copy of a mimeographed letter sent to families of prisoners of war by the Committee of Liaison. It is dated January 6, 1971, and is signed by you, Mrs. Weiss, and by Mr. David Dellinger. That letter contains this paragraph, and I quote:
The release of the men which we all seek can be achieved only when the administration sets a date for the total withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam. This also includes the release of men held by the NLF in the South. The Vietnamese have consented to freeing the Americans even before the troops have withdrawn as long as the date of total withdrawal has been set.
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<…> (The subcommittee reconvened at 4:15 p.m., Representative Clement J. Zablocki, chairman of the subcommittee, presiding.)
Mr. Zablocki. The subcommittee will resume the hearing. The next witness is Mr. Louis Stockstill, of Washington, D.C. As I stated earlier, Mr. Stockstill is a writer and journalist whose article entitled “Inside the Prisons of Hanoi” is appearing in the April issue of the Reader’s Digest. If you would proceed, Mr. Stockstill.
Mr. Stockstill: <….> Mrs. Weiss was questioned about a number of things relating to North Vietnamese and VC policy, in which she said that she could not address herself to answers to these questions because she could not speak for the other side. But this morning on the Today show she was asked a similar question and she said that Madame Binh had offered to “immediately release” the prisoners if we will set a withdrawal date. It would appear to me she chooses to quote the North Vietnamese when it serves her purpose and that she prefers not to quote them when it serves her purpose. Actually, Madame Binh has said no such thing. She has not said she will immediately release the prisoners. She has said that if we will set a withdrawal date that the Vietcong will then talk about the question of releasing prisoners.
But in any event, Madame Binh does not represent the North Vietnamese. She represents the Vietcong.
Now, to pick up my prepared statement, my name is Louis R. Stockstill. I am a freelance writer with offices in the National Press Building at 14th and F Streets NW here in the District of Columbia. In following the prisoner-of-war issue very closely over the past 2 years, I have been constantly amazed by the magnitude of the distortion and misinformation that has been aired in one way or another about this grave problem.
And it is in this context that I should like to address some of the comments made in the prepared statements submitted to you by Mr. Stewart Meacham, Mr. Richard Barnet and Mrs. Cora Weiss. As I read the statements of these three witnesses, I was dumbfounded by their numerous misstatements of fact, and by what I can only characterize in the kindest possible way as their highly oversimplified interpolation of other supposedly factual information.
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And now I would like to turn to Mrs. Weiss’s discussion of the role of the Committee of Liaison as a courier for delivering mail to and from the prisoners. You no doubt noted her admission that it was Hanoi that took the initiative in this matter. She makes clear the fact that David Dellinger (who cochairs the committee) did not open the overtures about the mail, that the North Vietnamese contacted him. In other words, the antiwar leaders did not go to the North Vienamese {sic: Vietnamese} and say “Won’t you help us get mail to and from the prisoners-of-war?” Instead, North Vietnam approached them and said, in effect, “Will you serve as our agents?”
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| Quote: | Mr. Stockstill: <....> ORIGIN OF “OFFICIAL” POW LIST. On page 12 of her statement, Mrs. Weiss says that by April 6, 1970, the names of 335 prisoners-of-war were known and published here, and that four more were added to the list in November when the DRV released a “final and official” list of 339 names.
I think it is highly important for the subcommittee to understand that this list did not originate in North Vietnam.
Please note that Mr. Weiss says the initial list of names (all but four) “were known and published here.” That phrase has an unusually odd turn. It would have been much more forceful and direct to say: North Vietnam released the names. But of course that is not the case. However, the truth by now has become so enmeshed in what the public believes is the truth, that it is most difficult to separate the two. So, let us go back to the time-frame Mrs. Weiss is discussing and examine what actually transpired.
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The upshot of this disclosure was that some press accounts declared that Hanoi had released a list of POW’s. And that erroneous impression still persists.
The true facts, however, are clearly spelled out in a page one news story in the New York Times for Thursday, June 26, 1970, after Mr. Kirkpatrick’s return, and after the Committee of Liaison released the list of names. This account underscores the significant fact that the list was not put together by Hanoi but “was compiled by the Committee of Liaison over a period of time from letters sent by prisoners to their families.”
On page 8 of the same issue, the Times published the list of names, furnished to the newspaper by the Committee of Liaison, and headlined the story: “Names of 334 Captives on List Accepted by Hanoi.” Here the key word is “accepted”. The North Vietnamese did not, from their own official records, or of their own volition, compose a list of American POW’s they hold, they merely “accepted” the Weiss list and claimed—as the Times story points out—that this constituted a list of all the captives. Subsequently, even this assertion was proved invalid.
First—as Mrs. Weiss told this committee—when four more names were added in November 1970.
DISCREPANCIES IN “OFFICIAL” LIST
And again the following month, when the list reappeared in new guise and was presented to Senators Fulbright and Kennedy. This time it included the 334 names from the original Weiss-list, plus the four added in November, plus 20 the North Vietnamese now say are dead.
Here, too, there were discrepancies.
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Interesting, all the lefties gathering for his funeral ... the vile traitor.
Thanks Kate -- my mind is in the "dead zone" as far as research right now, so I'm glad to see you are hard at it!
What I find in reading this and in the work I did is a sinking feeling about these anti-American malcontent traitorous forces we are studying about from the past are rising up again -- not just the ideas but the same people, too. I can't bear to watch the news much anymore --
Well, it is good news Dellinger is gone -- I wonder if he fought against this country to the very end....
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re adding Clinton to the mix, interesting what one trips over (Forgot he was connected to Fulbright)
from Clinton quote above:
| Quote: | | Ihave written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations Oct. 15 and Nov. 16. |
This may be who he was referring to
WashingtonPost
long treatise on Clinton's Vietnam era years here
| Quote: | <snip> His anti-war feelings went back to his junior year at Georgetown, when he had worked as a clerk for one of the centers of congressional dissent, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by his home-state role model, Sen. J.W. Fulbright. Clinton shared Fulbright's view that even if the United States could win in Vietnam, it still was fighting an immoral and unnecessary war.
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It was not until Clinton had signed up for the University of Arkansas ROTC that he became actively involved in the anti-war movement. In mid-August he traveled to Washington and spent several days with a Rhodes colleague, Rick Stearns, who was working on a commission headed by Sen. George McGovern (S.D.) reforming Democratic Party rules. He also visited the Vietnam Moratorium Committee headquarters, where activists were planning a nationwide protest for Oct. 15. Clinton had a few friends who were well connected in the movement, including Stearns, but he was on the outer edge of the anti-war subculture, according to David Mixner, one of the principal organizers. |
stir Hillary in the equation
| Quote: | | In her book, however, Hillary does write about some of her radical associates. She notes a meeting in 1969 with David Mixner of the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, an anti-Vietnam war protest group that came under investigation by the House Internal Security Subcommittee for its involvement with communists and backing from Hanoi |
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Beatrice1000 said:
| Quote: | | What I find in reading this and in the work I did is a sinking feeling about these anti-American malcontent traitorous forces we are studying about from the past are rising up again -- not just the ideas but the same people, too. |
Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton....
...who aspired to leadership of this country, even the presidency
...all involved with the various communist connected movements of that time
...coincidence?
Are we to believe that ie Kerry didn't know who these people were? That he just got off the boat from Vietnam and decided to hang with these radical leftists?
Or had he sold his soul long before that....
fyi...this is what led me to Dellinger Did The KGB Use Kerry?
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Kate: | Quote: | Source
October 1969, Vol. 52, No. 10
Air Force Magazine's October 1969 cover story
Prisoners of War--
The Forgotten Americans of the Vietnam War
By Louis R. Stockstill |
Kate – some added info: per my comment here, note that Louis Stockstill testified at the 4/20/71 Congressional Hearings against Cora Weiss and her comrades. I only quoted a little clip, he says much more at 4/20/71 Hearing (search his name at the link, or scroll down near the end).
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From the above, a few of the folk involved with the Vietnam Moratorium Committee and the 10/15/69 rally.
Kate – | Quote: | from Bill Clinton quote above: <..> One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. …. (He also visited the Vietnam Moratorium Committee headquarters, where activists were planning a nationwide protest for Oct. 15.)
Hillary: In her book, <..> she notes a meeting in 1969 with David Mixner of the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, an anti-Vietnam war protest group that came under investigation by the House Internal Security Subcommittee for its involvement with communists and backing from Hanoi.
Kennedy: Senator Edward Kennedy, a vocal anti-war campaigner, called for combat troops to be withdrawn from Vietnam by October next year and all forces by the end of 1972. “<…> I do believe this nation is in danger of committing itself to goals and personalities that guarantee the war's continuance.”
Dr. Benjamin Spock: Addressing a rally in Washington, Dr Benjamin Spock, the child care expert, said the war was a "total abomination" that was crippling America and must be stopped.
Peggy Kerry: went to work for the Vietnam Moratorium.
John Kerry: attends the Moratorium March on WDC, reported by sister Peggy. |
In the “kerry’s trail..” thread, there is an entry about the FBI where they specifically mention this Committee and how they had to tread carefully with regards to investigating its financing because of “prominent wealthy individuals” – of the above list, that has got to be KENNEDY – but there were likely many, many others involved, including other “like-minded” senators and their friends & associates.
| Quote: | Part 2, #40: Mar. 12, 1970: White House interest in the financing of New Left protest activities intensified FBI intelligence investigations in early 1970. In response to a specific request, the FBI furnished the White House “material concerning income sources of revolutionary groups” in Feb. 1970. Memorandum from FBI Headquarters to all SAC’s: instructed field offices “to develop info. indicative of support of the New Left Movement by tax-exempt charitable foundations or financial ‘angels’ … as well as support by politically oriented groups such as the “Vietnam Moratorium Committee to End the War in Vietnam.” The field was advised that such support might include “furnishing bail money to arrested demonstrators,…” FBI officials realized, however, that “direct intensive financial investigation of large foundations, prominent wealthy individuals,…or politically oriented groups such as the Vietnam Moratorium Committee” might result in “embarrassment to the bureau.”
(Church Committee Reports, 1975/76: Sec. V(I) “Investigations of ‘foreign influence’ on domestic unrest,” pp.522-523) |
Just my two cents -- it seems that this structure of the “rich and powerful” backing the anti-war movement is part of the insulation that surrounded kerry when he stepped into the limelight with his nefarious activities and might have protected him from the Navy taking any action against him -- the same protection that was afforded Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden and others that worked for & with the enemy. They were famous - there's a sort of immunity in that. It’s a real shame that the Bureau was worried about embarrassment which allowed certain people to get away with funding and supporting the Communists & their American agents – willing, misguided or otherwise. But I understand, in the climate of the times, their hands were certainly tied…. One can only wonder what would have happened if they had locked up a case against some of these orgs. & "Committees" & "coalitions" -- gone public -- exposed the communist infiltration, and the "wealthy, prominent" Americans funding them... exposed the "aiding & abetting" -- Would the public have believed the evidence? Would they have cried out for justice against people like john kerry & ted kennedy and jane fonda?? or, would the FBI offices have been stormed and the White House assailed?
What would happen today?
As we’ve got many of the same players alive and well and kicking hard against our military efforts today --people who cannot seem to understand the reality/necessity of war in an imperfect world -- people who can't stand the notion of America defending herself -- and who have shown in the past that they didn’t care who they backed so long as their personal agenda was included within the enemy’s and/or anarchist's agenda --- I can only hope that the issue of FBI or CIA “embarrassment” will not stop any necessary investigations into people (including the rich & powerful) who are working as hard as they can and I assume funding as heavily as they can any and all groups whose intent is an American surrender in Iraq – (which is but a part of the wider intent, generally, of a destruction of the American way of life). One might consider who is yelling the loudest about gutting the Patriot Act .... just a thought....
Kate: | Quote: | Are we to believe that ie Kerry didn't know who these people were? That he just got off the boat from Vietnam and decided to hang with these radical leftists?
Or had he sold his soul long before that.... |
Sold his soul long before that…. He knew. and teddy.. and fonda, hayden, clark, mcgovern, ellsburg, …. etc., etc. and etc. they knew. These people are fools, but they are not completely stupid (I don't think).
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Thank you for the excelent research. These %*#@%* SOB's still need to be tried and convicted. They are still to this day performing traitorous deeds. They played with peoples lives and directly caused the deaths of fellow warriors for their own communist ambitions. The very thing they now accuse our CINC of doing. I can't wait until Hillary Klinton tries to run. And I do want to see sKerry served crowe pie in 06 if not before. History needs to be written correctly and this is a very good start.
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