 |
SwiftVets.com
Service to Country
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
LewWaters
Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004
Posts: 4042
Location: Washington State
|
 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: War protesters injured as police break up march |
 |
|
Here we go again;
| Quote: | War protesters injured as police break up march on recruiting station
PITTSBURGH, Aug. 20 — Two women protesting the war in Iraq were taken to a hospital Saturday after police broke up an unauthorized march involving about five dozen people on a busy one-way street near an Army recruiting station.
David Meieran, who helped organize the protest, accused police of ''inappropriate and excessive force.''
Sgt. Clint Winkler, a supervisor on duty, told The Associated Press that one woman who would not leave was subdued with a Taser. He also confirmed that a police dog bit another woman on the leg when she refused police orders to disperse.
Both women and a man involved in the march were arrested, Winkler said.
''They were told to disperse, peacefully disperse, and failed to do so, so we started down the sidewalk — officers in front, K-9's behind us, and started pushing the crowd down the sidewalk,'' Winkler said. He said the march broke up after the arrests.
The recruiting station was not open at the time. |
Protesters Injured
A couple thoughts came to mind 
1. There is no draft, enlistment is voluntary, so why protest?
2. These are the same people that fight so hard to keep protesters away from Abortion Clinics so women "may exercise their freedom of choice." What about the young peoples "freedom of choice to enlist?" Seems to me to be aging hippies trying desparately to cling to a past time when they felt they were imprtant.
3. You refuse to follow the orders of the Police, you get what you get. They should be glad it was as light as it was. Had it been me, a nightstick might have been a good persuader I'd consider using. 
_________________
Clark County Conservative |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Guest
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| IS THERE AN ADDRESS WHERE I CAN SEND FLOWERS? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dusty
Admiral
Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Posts: 1264
Location: East Texas
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The phycology of the anti-war protestors is wierd to me.
They will fight to keep people from fighting to protect thier right to fight to keep people from fighting. But they won't fight for that very right that the people they are fighting are fighting for
.
I'm getting dizzy here. Like I said, it's weird to me.
Dusty
_________________
Left and Wrong are the opposite of Right! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BuffaloJack
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 1637
Location: Buffalo, New York
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Reagan thoroughly understood Lefties.
My favorite Reagan quote is:
| Quote: | "We are at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind, and if we lose that war, and in doing so lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening."
- Ronald Reagan, 1964
(commenting on the antiwar movement during the Vietnam War.) |
He said it 41 years ago and it still applies today.
_________________
Swift Boats - Qui Nhon (12/69-4/70), Cat Lo (4/70-5/70), Vung Tau (5/70-12/71) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Anker-Klanker
Admiral
Joined: 04 Sep 2004
Posts: 1033
Location: Richardson, TX
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Understanding what is going on is real easy if you just notice the by-line. This was an AP story. AP literally made Cindy Sheehan and the Crawford Circus. Almost every anti-war news piece out there on MSM is generated by AP. In the last month or so, the AP has out NYT'd WaPo, LAT, NYT, and the rest. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PhantomSgt
Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
Posts: 972
Location: GUAM, USA
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Anker-Klanker wrote: | | Understanding what is going on is real easy if you just notice the by-line. This was an AP story. AP literally made Cindy Sheehan and the Crawford Circus. Almost every anti-war news piece out there on MSM is generated by AP. In the last month or so, the AP has out NYT'd WaPo, LAT, NYT, and the rest. |
AP stands for: Associated Protestors
AP the friend of whining Liberals and girly type men.
_________________
Retired AF E-8
Independent that leans right of center. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Beatrice1000
Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 1179
Location: Minneapolis, MN
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
I agree with your thoughts, Lew – and I am angry that these thugs believe they have the right to dictate to people about what vocation they choose – be it military or otherwise. Also, one peacefully marching doesn’t get bitten by a police dog unless they try to – and I think they were trying to get hurt for propaganda purposes. (indeed, they now have a video at their site: "Pittsburgh police brutalize demonstrators" followed by a request for donations... predictable) It doesn’t say what group put on this protest, so I looked up the organizer, David Meieran, and for the record, found a few things that show who these particular anarchists are:
(excerpts; emphasis mine)
| Quote: | | David Meieran, an antiwar activist in Pittsburgh and member of the Pittsburgh Organizing Group in the Thomas Merton Center. He is one those leading the campaign against military funding of Carnegie Mellon University. democracynow.org |
Is this the same David Meieran? - it's not a common name, but I do not know if this is the same guy -- ???
| Quote: | David Meieran, Executive Producer
David Meieran has executive produced, produced, and directed a number of critically acclaimed documentaries. In 1987, he co-founded Testing the Limits, a non-profit video production collective focusing on AIDS and related issues. Meieran was executive producer for Ballot Measure 9 (1994), a feature-length documentary about Oregon's anti-gay initiative that won awards at the Sundance and Berlin Film Festivals. He was also executive producer for the Gay and Lesbian Emergency Media Campaign, which produced the compilation videotape, Sacred Lies/Civil Truths (1993) for Deep Dish TV. Among the Testing the Limits programs he produced and directed is Voices from the Front (1992), an award-winning feature-length documentary focusing on the self-empowerment of people with AIDS that was broadcast on HBO/Cinemax and released theatrically world-wide. Meieran served as the director of fiscal sponsorship at Media Network, a nationally renowned media arts center which has sponsored over 200 independent social-issue film and video projects. Earlier, he was the program director for the Living with AIDS Fund and a consultant to the National AIDS Hotline. SOURCE |
Meieran is a member of the “Pittsburgh Organizing Group” (POG) that set up this protest on Saturday. Their ad: “Shutdown Military Recruitment on August 20th.” http://www.organizepittsburgh.org/
For this protest, they list a “Calls to Action” for a “Zombie Bloc” and an “Anarchists Contingent” -- 
(from the POG website:)
| Quote: | Zombie Bloc
On August 20, anti-war activists in Pittsburgh are calling for a day of action to shutdown and confront military recruitment in the city. In full support of this goal we are calling for a zombie contingent to join the march. The dead shall confront death. We need your participation; paint your faces, wear all black or camo or mourning shrouds, hollow your eyes, drip your blood, bear your teeth, wear your gore. Time to let recruiters know there are already too many dead, too many suffering, and too many lies. Our brains are not for eating! Also welcome to help defend the steelcity from Bush's armies of the dead: flags, banners, zombie bikes, coffins, and street theatre.
Anarchists Contingent
...On August 20th, Pittsburgh activists plan to attempt a shutdown of military recruitment in the city...... this action is strategically important for the anti-war/counter-recruitment movements, ... could be a huge boost to the movement and provide a needed impetus for compelling actions during the Sept 24-26 anti-war/IMF/World Bank mobilization in DC. ... A heavy police response is inevitable, and there is a definite chance of police violence and repression. A lot of media attention will be focused on these events. ... Bring goggles, bandannas, and any other defensive protection as needed.
signed: “Pittsburgh anarchists” |
Here’s an email responding to POG about this event: “comrades please be careful how you carry out this anti-recruitment work, as your actions will reflect on the organizing we are doing in our own cities. please dont post any more calls to action on the internet. organize concretely in person and securely.”
Meieran is listed as the contact on a Press Release for a 3/19/05 protest: "Pittsburgh Joins 765 Communities to say 'End the War, Rebuild our Communities.' Mass Rally and March in Squirrel Hill on the 2nd Anniversary of the Iraq War. http://pittsburghendthewar.org/mamb/content/view/47/121/"
Meieran is a member of the Thomas Merton Center.
| Quote: | The Thomas Merton Center Anti-War Committee (AWC) emerged in opposition to the imminent invasion of Iraq in January of 2003. <....> We endorse UFPJ's statement that "there are three crucial weak points in the Administration's war strategy. The Bush Administration cannot fight this war without taxpayer funding, soldiers willing to die, and the ability to contain domestic opposition to acceptable levels.
The anti-war movement should focus its energies on:
-- increasing the war's unpopularity, particularly by emphasizing the horrific loss of life on all sides;
--by highlighting the war's escalating financial cost, and the consequences of war spending for our communities;
--and by disrupting the Pentagon's ability to recruit new troops." http://pittsburghendthewar.org/mamb/content/view/24/53/ |
| Quote: | The Thomas Merton Center -- Pittsburgh's Peace and Social Justice Center, Est. 1972. http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org/
History:
Larry Kessler, founder of the Thomas Merton Center, put it this way in 1973: "we're trying to get this group (ordinary Americans) to understand that peace and justice can be a way of life-.." In its first year from its storefront office on the Southside, the group not only protested the continuation of the war in Vietnam, <....>
James Carroll, whose writings on contemplation and resistance and Dorothy Day (founder of the Catholic Worker movement) were the first two recipients of the Thomas Merton Award, .... Others so honored included Joan Baez; .... Daniel Berrigan,...Marian Wright Edelman of the Children's Defense Fund, people's historian Howard Zinn, ...Voices in the Wilderness. <...>
Members have been arrested protesting ... During the 1980s,... vigils, leaflets and civil disobedience actions. ... In that same period, Pittsburgh delegations traveled to Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador, as part of the Witness for Peace efforts and in creating a Sister City in San Isidro, Nicaragua. More recently, the Haiti Solidarity Committee and the Mexican Solidarity Network meet at the Center. <...> |
Meieran is part of the “Editorial Collective” on the newspaper: "The Newpeople" (Pittsburgh’s Peace and Justice Newspaper, publ. by The Merton Center). Scroll down to see their “projects, campaigns, affiliates and friends” – all the usual suspects, and more.
The Merton Center "history" doesn’t mention their guru “Merton,” so I looked him up – he appears to have been a bohemian sort of monk:
| Quote: | “Merton's Mountainous Legacy” By Richard N. Ostling, 12/31/84 (Time Mag/by subscription)
...A little-known New York writer and teacher whose life had been rakish though not quite dissolute, he converted from irreligion to Catholicism at 23 and stunned friends three years later by joining the Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance, commonly known as Trappists. <...> the cloistered monk became a pioneering Catholic polemicist on civil rights and the immorality of nuclear war. <...> In 1963 the abbot general ordered Merton to cease his writings on war and peace. Merton seethed in a private letter: "Monk concerned with peace. Bad image." He obeyed the directive formally, but distributed mimeographed antiwar pieces. .... While visiting a Catholic retreat center outside Bangkok, he was found dead (Dec. 10, 1968), apparently electrocuted by a faulty fan.
The Death of Two Extraordinary Christians - 12/20/68 (Time Mag/by subscription)
..... Merton returned again and again to themes of social justice and a quiet, but very absolute pacifism. He lent his name to many antiwar organizations, resolutely opposed the Viet Nam war. Just two months ago, he characterized some student activists he met as "real modern monks."....
“Sex, God and Writing,” By Lance Morrow, 4/14/03 (Time Mag/by subscription)
Thomas Merton, who accomplished the only-in-America oxymoronic feat of becoming a celebrity Trappist monk (his memoir, The Seven Storey Mountain, was a best seller in 1948), fathered a child out of wedlock before taking his vows; later, as a middle-aged hermit with a taste for bourbon, he had a brief love affair with a nurse.
Good Books in a Bad Year, by Mayo Mohs - 12/7/70 (Time Mag/by subscription)
.... Merton's opposition to World War II because "if we fight Hitler, we will become like him, too"; <...> his final turning toward Buddhism as a "way" that could complement Christianity; ... Merton was a man of such fevers and contradictions.......
Center of Gravity, 3/22/68 (Time Mag/by subscription)
In the current issue, Trappist Monk Thomas Merton, .... writes about an early Mesoamerican civilization that survived from 1000 B.C. to A.D. 900 without a single war. So attuned to their environment were its members, so at peace with themselves, that they simply felt no need to fight, nor their neighbors to fight with them. Here, says Merton, was a Utopian existence that was not mere fantasy. .... |
(one can see why the Lefties honor this guy... he's got a little something for all of them!)
These Meieran people are, of course, organizing buses for the UFPJ “End the War on Iraq” – a “massive rally, march & festival” on 9/24-26 in Washington... I think they are all hoping this will be their Dewey Canyon considering all the current chatter about it (I'm hoping for their Waterloo...) Note they say end the war “on” Iraq – not “in” Iraq.... – the war “on” Iraq being over some time ago.... the war “in” Iraq is against the terrorists. There is no doubt who these people are supporting. Support the communists, support the terrorists – I suppose if earth had an alien invasion they would support the aliens.... anything and anybody and any method to take America down..... they just cannot stand this country.
----------------------------------------- |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
