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Why did George Elliot retract his criticism of John Kerry?
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DougReese
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
Exactly, Doug,

Elliott denied that he ever said what was reported in the Globe and said that they had completely misrepresented his interview with them.

I only hope that he had a tape recorder going. That'll be the next nice thing to hit the fan. Wink


When he interviews in-person, he does have a tape recorder going.

Prediction: Elliot is an honorable man. He did regret signing that affadavit due to some of the wording. Kranish had that part in quotes, and he isn't a hack. He seems to be a pro to me.

Let's see what Elliot personally has to say (not his wife, or an SBVT spokesperson) about the heart of the article, which has nothing to do with saying he doesn't support the ad or that he doesn't want it to be played on the air.

I want to hear him say he does not regret the wording of his affadavit and/or he agrees with what is in it.

Doug
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DougReese wrote:
ASPB wrote:

250 Eyewitness to what Doug? Obviously not 28 Feb or 13 Mar. But did 250 serve with Kerry in COSDIV 14,13,and 11 and were eyewitnesses to "at least some of " the the events surrounding Kerry's manufactured record or his overall behavior?

Are you forgetting that those speaking out have signed sworn affidavits as to the accuracy of their statements?



250 eyewitnesses to something Kerry did, I suppose. Kinda difficult if you never met the guy in Vietnam. I believe that's the case for the majority of those 250. It's the case for John O'Neill.

And I'm sure they signed affadavits. I just don't expect to see anywhere near 250. I'll be shocked if there's more than 40, and many of those would not be "testifying" to anything of import.

Doug


You'll note if you study the issues and John O'Neill's statements closely that he has nothing to say now or in 1971 regarding Kerry's in-country service but only the anti-war movement and Kerry's generalisms about actions on the ground in Nam. Look at the list of members of the Swiftvets! You're not dealing with wacko moonbats. Kerry's entire peer group (less 1) and the entire chain of command excluding Zummie, who would hammer Kerry if he were alive imho. His son is his surrogate and is hammering him.

Who are Kerry's surrogates for events on the ground! A few 19 year-old kids that he bought with medals then and with money and recognition now?

You're close! it's 36 affidavits of peers and observers of actual events. The rest are signing the letter more in response to the post-war activities. Remember this....this is the prequel....the real story of 250 men plus hundreds of thousands if not millions like me is Wintersoldier.

As Paul Harvey has said thousands of times....

"and after the commercial we'll tell you the rest of the story.

That's the 2nd half of "Unfit For Duty" and the future of our campaign for truth.

Best personal regards always,

Tom
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me, Doug. There are a lot more than 250 "eye witnesses" to Kerry's slander and lies about us after his return to the world.

Many of us just accept what we are told about his scant 4 months in country, but we all saw and can still see what he did to us all afterwards.
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RIslander
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What surprises me is the fact that anybody even remembers Kerry from his tour.

Unless the man personally saved my life, walked on water, or, multiplied the loaves, there is little, if any, chance that I would even know who he was. Of course, Kerry did manage to make a championship a** of himself before he even got out of uniform. That might jog the memory.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIslander wrote:
What surprises me is the fact that anybody even remembers Kerry from his tour.

Unless the man personally saved my life, walked on water, or, multiplied the loaves, there is little, if any, chance that I would even know who he was. Of course, Kerry did manage to make a championship a** of himself before he even got out of uniform. That might jog the memory.


I'll give you a clue. I had maybe 20 guys that served with me and under my command on the boats in Vietnam 35 years ago. I remember only the names of 3 of them.

Two great guys that saved my a** on several occasions and 1 A**hole!....(not Kerry)

John Kerry is an A**hole! Wink We alway remember the best and the worst....It's human.
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Gary L. Smith, USN, Ret.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully support the SwiftVets and the courage they again show for our country. As I served on PBR"s (Boat 120) in 68/69. I condemn the the stories that John Kerry has fabricated of his four months in-country. Any of us who was on river boats know he is a fraud and disgrace to the Navy and our country. I completed 23 years in the Navy and have my share of Medals & Ribbons and can proudly wear them. I don't know how a Naval Officer can disgrace the Navy, his shipmates and other Military members and wants to be our next Commander in Cheif. I have contributed to help pay for the adds you have bravely put together to expose the truth. Keep it up as the truth will prevail.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:21 pm    Post subject: Missed Point Reply with quote

I am a swift boat veteran, I was in An Toi, I was also stationed in Danang, I did a full twelve months, I was on over a hundred combat patrols. NEVER once did I see any Officer, or enlisted commit any atrocities, or shoot at anybody other than return fire when we received it. The officers were professional and to the best of my personal knowledge never hotdogged or put their boats or crews in jeopardy. Swift Boat veterans are larger in number than the 'Band of Brothers" that follow Kerry around. For some reason some people on this site keep wanting to defend Kerry's actions, regardless of what those of us who are Swift Boat veterans post about Kerry's character during the war, and his actions after. If you can come to this guys defense after reading or listening to his SWORN testinony after his return to the United States then shame on you. Do you actually think that many officers and enlisted are not telling the truth about his character, demeanor and abilities. Do you in some way think Kerry's testimony in front of Congress, where he made the accusations of atrocities, and even stated himself that he commited acts that were unlawful, Do you believe that after defaming those of us who remained and completed our tours, After throwing his medals over the fence, after making accusation against the military, after visiting Hanoi and sucking up to that Government, what we are now supposed to roll over and vote for this jerk. Too many decent, honorable young men, were wounded and killed, Kerry made his bed, now let him lie in it. Quit defending this guy, until you actually walk a mile in a Swift Boat sailors shoes you will probably never understand. And by the way there are a hell of a lot more veterans and Swift Boat veterans who understand that Kerry is trying to get his ticket punched now by bring up his so called "hero" status. Yea, he just flip flopped from a certified, bonified, testified, war resister, and champion of the Hanoi Government, now he wants to transform into the war hero veteran, wrap himself in the flag, and get elected to the Presidents job. Those of us who remember won't let him.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our problem is very simple, most of those reporting this story agreed, and still want to agree, with what Kerry had to say about those of us who served in the war.

All of a sudden, Kerry and his ilk have discovered that they honor and respect those serving in uniform. They don't, but they know that the polls show that the general public does, and that is all that really counts to them.

Unfortunately, the honor and respect seems to evaporate when we voice a view which they find to be politically incorrect. If you want to be seen on the evening news, put on some Veteran's organization cap and say you love Kerry. Put on the same cap, say you hate him, give the reasons why, and you will never be seen. To the media, our voices are only worth listening to when we sing the proper tune.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIslander wrote:
Our problem is very simple, most of those reporting this story agreed, and still want to agree, with what Kerry had to say about those of us who served in the war...


You are righton...I was in College and too busy to fight with the bunch of idiots that were occupying(and burning) the campuses when kerry's lies were propagated....Not so now

I will be in DC at the kerry lied rally if i am alive.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DougReese wrote:
I was hoping you had something more current. I anxiously await their "additional documentation".
That bit towards the end of that statement about SBVT having 250 "first hand eye-witnesses" is still flat out false.

I wonder what more Doug needs? Does Captain Elliott have to swear out an affidavit every day? The Boston Globe's Michael Kranish lied in a news report, and Elliott called him on it immediately. He doesn't have to do it again every time Doug thinks about it.

And, 250 Swiftboat Vet supporters do not necessarily have to be "eyewitnesses" themselves in order to reveal the eyewitnesses' accounts of events involving Kerry's actions in Vietnam. Doug needs to refresh his English comprehension.

BTW, who is Human Events quoting when they say, "Additional documentation will follow?" I don't see that anywhere in the affidavits, and it is not otherwise attributed. Nor does Doug seem to recognize that.

How many ways does Doug need to hear that the socialist Left is lying to him, and he is eating it up?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanna asks:

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The 250 that signed onto this signed on stating that Kerry was Unfit to Command. Did they give individual reasons?

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