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New Orleans responsible for their levee system?

 
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FreeFall
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:03 am    Post subject: New Orleans responsible for their levee system? Reply with quote

I found this at
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hurricane-risk-new-orleans.htm

Orleans Levee District, a quasi-governmental body, is resposponsible for 129 miles of earthen levees, floodwalls, 190 floodgates, 2 flood control structures, and 100 valves. The governor appoints six of the board's eight members, and they serve at his pleasure. When a storm approaches it is responsible for closing the hundreds of hurricane protection floodgates and valves on levees surrounding the city. All residents outside of these levees evacuate.

So what is all this Democratic caterwaulling about Bush and the Feds about?

CBS said on 60 Minutes last night it was a floodwall that collapsed, not a levee. They had an Army Corp engineer who said he needed 20 years to strengthen them up, so why wasn't that done after Camille and Betsy? Such a shame.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the lefts latest attempt at slamming Bush. They forget that the President can only recommend a budget and spending. It's Congress that finally writes a budget and passes it.

From what I've read, it was local officials in New Orlans that decided the levees were good enough at category 3 strength. Later, someone said they should be increased to category 5, but that study, passed in 1998, wasn't even slated to begin until next year, 2006. Why an 8 year delay in studying it, no one seems to know.

Foxnews also interviewd an actor named Steve Harvey who was working at one of the shelters. He said he was told by an evacuee who lived alongside the levee that collapsed, that an empty grain barge broke loose from it's mooring and hit the levee, causing it to fail. The evacuee, unidentified, said he lost his family in the surge of water coming over the levee. Since that initial report, no one has repeated it or said anything about it, so who knows?

If true, no amount of preparation would have saved the levee, but then the left would only claim Bush cut funding for adequate ropes and pilings that the barge was tied to Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now Hillary want a 9/11 style Commission
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/343489p-293306c.html
Quote:
Need fed probe into crisis - Hil

WASHINGTON - With many blaming the growing scope of Katrina's devastation on the Bush administration, Sen. Hillary Clinton called yesterday for a 9/11-style probe into how the federal government responded to the crisis.
"It has become increasingly evident that our nation was not prepared," Clinton (D-N.Y.) said in a letter to Bush asking him to set up a "Katrina Commission."

"The slow pace of relief efforts in the face of a mounting death toll ... seems to confirm that our ability to respond to cataclysmic disasters has not been adequately addressed," she said.

Her call echoed statements of Republicans such as Arizona's Sen. John Kyl, chairman of the Technology and Homeland Security Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who plans a hearing and has said the catastrophe in New Orleans could have a lot in common with a terror attack.

A White House spokeswoman deferred comment to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who appeared on numerous Sunday morning broadcasts insisting there would be time to lay blame later.

Clinton has decided at least one thing without waiting for any commission reports. She said she plans to introduce legislation to split the Federal Emergency Management Agency out of the Department of Homeland Security and give it back a cabinet-level director like it had in her husband's administration.

Michael McAuliff

Originally published on September 5, 2005
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/343489p-293306c.html

Let the finger pointing begin.
Don't these democrats realize that most of the fingers will point to democrats. However, if they can get enough of their cronies on the commission it can be perverted to point at Bush and the Replblucan Congress.
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FreeFall
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why doesn't she hold a commission as to why those people weren't evacuated AND why those levees were only a catagory 3 all these years. Camille was almost 40 years ago!

To me this whole thing going on now is that the Dem's are playing CYA regarding the levee system and the failure of New Orleans to evacuate their people. Dems are running Louisiana and New Orleans, but God forbid someone point the finger at them and their leadership.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many years ago I was employed in the Army Corps of Engineers civil works program. I do not know the details behind the collapse of the flood wall, but any improvements have to be both authorized and funded by congress. Bush may have cut back on his budget recommendation, but there is plenty of blame for that at the federal level. What most people do not realize is that some level of cost sharing is required from the local or state governments as well. I have no idea where the state and city were on this project and its funding.

The local levee district is normally responsible for maintenance once the levee or flood wall is in place.

Another interesting fact: The older parts of New Orleans were built on the little high ground available at that time, before levees and sea walls. The newer parts of the city were built below sea level in swamps that had been drained for that purpose. In hindisght a disaster waiting to happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photographic evidence of a barge inside a busted levee
http://pandorasbox.joeuser.com/articlecomments.asp?AID=85915&s=1
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