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coldwarvet
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Is the individual ever held accountable? Reply with quote

Survival starts at the household level

This mentality of expecting a hand out of food, water & shelter within 48 hours of a disaster needs to end. We live in perilous times and natural disasters, along with man made disasters are certain to strike over the next several years.

Survival starts at the household level, then local, then state, then federal, and finally from our friends from abroad.

Every household needs to develop a plan to sustain itself for at least one week without food, water or shelter.

Member Back Packs Each household member should be able to sustain themselves in the event they get separated from the group. Individual packs should be equipped with sturdy shoes, change of clothes, one quart of water, two days food supply, sleeping bag, medicine, first aid, flash light, water proof matches, radio, toiletries, ID, credit card, and cash.

Water ration ½ gallon per person per day. Carry at least a two day supply of water with you at all times. Place one bottle of water in each back pack. Any un-bottled water should be boiled for 3 minutes. Include pot for open flame use.

Food Place all items from refrigerator & freezer into chest cooler. All canned and dry goods distribute between back packs, place all additional food and camping cookware in another pack. Leave your cupboards and refrigerator bare. Cook all perishables as soon as possible return to ice chest. Eat perishables first.

Shelter Tent, ax, propane bottles, lanterns, camp stove, knives, and propane tent heater. In cold weather be certain to manage propane supply.

In the event it appears that your displacement might be months or years you may want to add hunting and fishing gear to your survival package.

Every household should have a plan to bug out in less then five minutes and the ability to sustain itself for at least one week without assistance. And the sooner you evacuate when the order goes out the less likely you will find yourself in traffic unable to get out of harms way. If you find yourself with less then a ¼ tank of gas without the ability to buy more stop & make camp until fuel supplies become available.

The money you save by camping for one week rather then staying at a Hotel will more then pay for your survival gear.

Make your next vacation a camping vacation the skills and preparedness you acquire could be the difference of you and your family being counted amongst the living rather then the dead.

The Katrina casualties would be very low if evacuation orders were followed. Evacuation orders went out and then ignored by those who then found themselves in Katrina’s deadly path. So as the blame game is played is anyone going to hold the victims themselves accountable for not following orders?

Is the individual ever held accountable?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont forget a rifle to keep them pesky looters away! Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and perhaps a side arm or two.
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Armybrat/Armymom
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the individual ever held accountable? Not if your a liberal or in the good graces of a liberal.

I guess these newer generations haven't ever read Aesop's fable "The Ant and the Grasshopper".
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened in New Orleans is an indictment of the Welfare State. Of those poor people left behind, they had no knowledge of looking out for themselves, being used to cradle to grave freebies from Uncle Sugar.

The Socialism the left has been gradually bringing on robs people of their self worth and capability of looking out for themselves and each other. All one needs do is look at the Superdome last week and see the truth of the welfare state.

Maybe our battle cry against socialism should be, "Remember the Superdome."
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coldwarvet
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeWaters wrote "Remember the Superdome"

I like it. Perhaps it will catch on.

It reminds me of the "do not feed the bears story".

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wwIIvetsdaughter
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coldwarvet, I've given thought all day today to what I need in case of an evacuation and I'd like to suggest the additon of a empty gas can plus siphon equipment to that very fine list you put together.
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Armybrat/Armymom
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would take quite a few lawn mowers to fill a 5 gal gas can. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gimme a break! OK#1--water,#2--food (instant)? #3--sanitation?(go figure)#4 Like DaaH-----A boat??????????????, Or stay there and complain?
Or be stupid and live on the Love Boat! Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Water, Food ... yes, of course
NEXT: whatever is appropriate to the area you're inhabiting.
Medical kit sounds good.

i.e.: My house sits at elevation 5480 feet, and an ordinary boat just doesn't sound right in the event of flood waters reaching that level, although I admit local flooding would only have to be about 250 feet deep ... Laughing

AFTER Water and Food, things depend on what disaster occured, and in my area what month the disaster occured in.

I therefore constantly update my secret list of unknown variables and personal foolproof responses to suit in 'real-time'. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:21 pm    Post subject: Don't forget. Reply with quote

Jack Daniels.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't forget. Reply with quote

AMOS wrote:
Jack Daniels.

For sure.
goes with the medical kit. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Is the individual ever held accountable? Reply with quote

This is good. In the past there have been Public Announcements about individual preparedness. The most recent was the Year 2000 event where it was predicted the electric grid and computers would go down. I still have canned soup I bought just in case someone was correct. [Need to toss it now]

Now is not the time to start a public awareness campaign. It would be more ammo for the Democrats to use against Republicans saying they want citizens to be on your own in the face of disaster. But after the political finger pointing dies down a bit, a private group [or bipartisan congressional group] can start a public awareness campaign. With Katrina fresh in the minds of everyone it might be a teaching opportunity.


coldwarvet wrote:
Survival starts at the household level


Survival starts at the household level, then local, then state, then federal, and finally from our friends from abroad.

Every household needs to develop a plan to sustain itself for at least one week without food, water or shelter.

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coldwarvet
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the individual ever held accountable? Reply with quote

Ohio Voter wrote:
This is good. In the past there have been Public Announcements about individual preparedness. The most recent was the Year 2000 event where it was predicted the electric grid and computers would go down. I still have canned soup I bought just in case someone was correct. [Need to toss it now]

Now is not the time to start a public awareness campaign. It would be more ammo for the Democrats to use against Republicans saying they want citizens to be on your own in the face of disaster. But after the political finger pointing dies down a bit, a private group [or bipartisan congressional group] can start a public awareness campaign. With Katrina fresh in the minds of everyone it might be a teaching opportunity.


coldwarvet wrote:
Survival starts at the household level


Survival starts at the household level, then local, then state, then federal, and finally from our friends from abroad.

Every household needs to develop a plan to sustain itself for at least one week without food, water or shelter.

[snip]
CWV


In the media build up to Katrina I did not hear any preparedness messages from members of the media or government officials. But I mostly watched Fox and the weather channel. Perhaps in the local gulf coast media these messages went out.

Did any of the Governors & Mayors get on the tube & say, “if you do not evacuate you should have three gallons of drinking water per person and a weeks supply of food for every member of your household. And then if you find yourself climbing into your attic to escape rising polluted water do not forget to bring an ax with you so you can chop a hole in your roof to escape.”
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't forget. Reply with quote

jwb7605 wrote:
AMOS wrote:
Jack Daniels.

For sure.
goes with the medical kit. Laughing


For snake bite! Laughing
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