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 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:48 am Post subject: Fmr US defence secretary Cohen Terrorists can alter CLIMATE |
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| Quote: | WEATHER WAR ?; NEW EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT AMERICA AND RUSSIA ARE EMBROILED IN AN ASTONISHING - AND ILLEGAL - RACE TO HARNESS THE POWER OF HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES AND EVEN THE SUN TO CREATE NEW WEAPONS. SO ARE WE ON THE VERGE OF A... The Express July 16, 2005
The Express
July 16, 2005
SECTION: U.K. 1st Edition; NEWS; Pg. , 27
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AS THE huge mushroom cloud soared skywards, the captain was gripped by fear, believing his plane was about to be engulfed by the fall-out from a nuclear explosion. After declaring mayday and ordering his crew to don oxygen masks, the experienced pilot had the presence of mind to record that the cloud measured an estimated 200 miles in diameter and was tipped by an eerie light, like nothing he had seen before. Eventually, it soared harmlessly into the atmosphere, leaving the passenger jet to continue safely on its journey from Anchorage, in Alaska, to Tokyo.
But far below, a fleet of fishing boats trawling the sea between Japan and the Soviet Union was drenched by a violent but short-lived downpour before the weather suddenly cleared. Nuclear tests and volcanic activity were later ruled out but scientists concluded that this was not a natural phenomenon. More than two decades later suspicion still exists that the stunned airline crew and fishermen in 1973 were witnessing a sinister Cold War experiment, in which water from the Sea of Japan was blown into the air to create clouds and rain.
British government papers, just released by the National Archives, show that throughout the Seventies there was deep mistrust between the two superpowers over environmental warfare. The documents reveal that both the US, which led the field, and the Soviet Union had secret military programmes with the goal of controlling the world's climate. "By the year 2025 the United States will own the weather, " one scientist is said to have boasted.
Since then, a United Nations treaty has been signed which bans environmental warfare, such as causing earthquakes, melting the polar ice caps and altering climate. But some experts believe that clandestine work to create the ultimate weapon of mass destruction continues.
These claims are dismissed by sceptics as wild conspiracy theories and the stuff of James Bond movies but there is growing evidence that the boundaries between science fiction and fact are becoming increasingly blurred. The Americans now admit that they invested £12million over five years during the Vietnam war on "cloud seeding" - deliberately creating heavy rainfall to wash away enemy crops and destroy supply routes on the Ho Chi Minh trail, in an operation codenamed Project Popeye.
It is claimed that rainfall was increased by a third in targeted areas, making the weather-manipulation weapon a success. At the time, government officials said the region was prone to heavy rain.
However this sort of rain-making experiment was nothing new. In Britain, it has been alleged that before the devastating Lynmouth floods in Devon in 1952, the RAF had been conducting secret rain-making tests. Aircraft showered clouds with silver iodide, on which water droplets formed, became heavy and eventually fell to the ground as rain. In the next 12 hours nine inches of rain fell - 250 times the normal amount for August - and 35 people were killed.
Former North Devon MP Tony Speller, then a 22-year-old soldier who helped in the relief effort, sought answers from the MoD.
"I have no doubt they were seeding in the area because there were RAF log books to prove it, " he says now. "Of course the MoD denied any knowledge but that is not to say it did not happen."
Speller, now 76, adds: "I doubt we will ever know the truth."
Early work on climate control was crude and unpredictable but it is claimed that both the Americans and Russians continued to experiment behind closed doors even after the UN ban in the mid-Eighties, and both now possess sophisticated systems which are capable of controlling the weather - with potentially devastating results.
In the US, the technology was developed under the high-frequency active auroral research programme (HAARP) - originally part of Ronald Reagan's controversial Star Wars defence system. Based in Gokoma, Alaska, the weapon operates by beaming powerful radio waves into the upper atmosphere to alter weather patterns. Some experts claim the system is already up and running, while others say it won't be ready for another 20 years.
Michel Chossudovsky, professor of economics at the University of Ottawa in Canada, who has studied official military documents about HAARP, is in no doubt that the weapon is ready.
"There are very clear statements by the US Air Force to the effect that weather modification technology is available. HAARP will be fully operational by next year and could be used in actual military situations, " he says.
"To claim this system has any nonmilitary purposes is twisting the truth.
I don't think there are any peaceful applications - it is a weapon of mass destruction, capable of major climatic disturbance. Part of the beauty is that the enemy might never know that a weapon had been used. I believe the UN agreement is certainly being violated."
He claims that at least one British firm has been involved in its development.
"It is time people began focusing on these weapons instead of concentrating solely on global warming, " Chossudovsky adds. "Both are a serious threat."
The Russians are thought to have their own "weather steering" system, called Woodpecker, involving the transmission of low-frequency waves which are capable of disrupting the atmosphere and altering the path of the jet stream. It is claimed that a prolonged drought in California in the Eighties was caused by the blocking of warm, moist air for many weeks.
According to Damian Wilson, a physicist with the Met Office, controlling climate is a reality but not a precise science. "Clearing fog by dropping dry ice into clouds is a proven technique which has been around for decades, " he says.
"Large amounts of research have been invested in seeding clouds to generate rain and it is done in countries where there are water shortages. The problem is that it is unpredictable and you need clouds to start with. The technology does not exist to make rain fall from clear blue skies so it cannot be used in the desert to end droughts and famines."
WILSON believes it is possible to alter the course of a hurricane, which could have enormous life-saving potential. The current mayhem in the Caribbean and America's Eastern seaboard also shows what a destructive weapon a well-targeted storm could prove.
The Americans used cloud seeding to try to control a hurricane in 1947 but the tactic backfired when it picked up strength and hit Savannah, Georgia.
It is known that the US carried out further hurricane-manipulation experiments between 1962 and 1983, under the codename Project Stormfury, after it was calculated that a single hurricane contained as much energy as all the world's power stations combined. More recent projects have involved pouring tens of thousands of gallons of vegetable oil on to the sea.
"Hurricanes gather their strength from the warm sea surface, " says Wilson. "By spreading a large film of oil on the sea it would reduce the intensity by cooling the surface. In theory it is possible to change the path of the hurricane this way. It would not surprise me if military research into controlling the weather goes on. As we suffer more summer droughts in the south-east of England I would also expect to see pressure for cloud seeding to be introduced in this country."
It is not just the weather that has attracted the attention of the military.
Scientists have also researched ways of triggering earthquakes. By setting off small quakes, pressure could be released and a disaster averted. But military scientists believe it is also possible to direct powerful energy beams into vulnerable fault zones, causing the Earth's plates to shift, creating a massive earthquake. Along fault lines beneath the oceans, the same technology could be used to launch devastating tsunamis.
Part of the problem in banning experiments involves agreeing a definition of what environmental warfare is. It has been argued that the famous Dambusters mission during the Second World War, when bouncing bombs were used to flood the German industrial heartland, were a form of environmental warfare.
Half a century later, the threat is still being taken sufficiently seriously.
Former US defence secretary William Cohen warns: "Terrorists are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes and volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."
Owen Greene, director of research at Bradford University's department of Peace Studies, believes efforts are continuing in secret to develop weapons that harness nature.
"There is so much money within the Pentagon that it would surprise me if they were not looking into it, " he says. "I suspect it is going on in both the US and Russia. You can't stop people researching the weather. As for earthquakes, you don't even need to spend money on active military programmes because there is so much other work going on which could easily be adapted. Some of the ideas are quite credible."
Another defence source says: "The risk is that by fooling around with nature, we may unleash irreversible damage and change our entire planet's atmosphere."
Despite these stark warnings, such is the immense power of nature, it seems inevitable that Man will continue to play God. |
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| I doubt this. Katrina was nearly four hundred miles in diameter and released an equivalent of one ten megaton explosion every twenty minutes. We are paltry beings in the shadow of Nature. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Anyone who believes that a human or human made device, on even the grandest scale, could alter the weather is just delusional. We might be able to seed a few clouds and create rain over a city sized area, but hurricanes are a whole other class. Only the sun is capable of the energy requirements for weather or climate changes. When the sun goes into various cycles of activity and solar storms; and, when the earth receives additional radiation in the form of solar flares, we see the Aurora Borealis and communication interference and a slight increase in the radiant energy received by the earth. If you track solar activity versus the global temperature changes you will see much more of a correlation than if you track the global temperature against the left's theory of greenhouse gases and ozone holes.
Changing the climate and creating hurricanes is best left to Hollywood and their ability to scare the pants off the ignorant with really great computer generated special effects.
The biggest and probably the only player in weather activity is the Solar Constant. The Earth receives 1.37 kW per square meter of projected area. It used to be thought that this was constant and invariant, but studies of sun spots and solar flares have shown that the Solar Constant varies a few percent with the 11 year solar cycle and the sun spot and flare activity. If you ask the environmental fools, they will blame man for this. The solar activity has even been shown to be responsible for the global warming of Mars over the past score of years. I'm waiting for some leftie environmental nutbar to declare this to be the fault of man also.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think that someone has been reading/viewing entirely too much
violent Japanese anime/manga. Sounds like something from one
of the many "Gundam" series to me. 
OK. So I'm an anime freak. Comes from swearing off on Hollywood.
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For those interested in some 'out of this world' physics.
http://www.cheniere.org/books/ferdelance/
http://www.cheniere.org/books/index.html
According to Mr. Bearden, the Soviets have been creating MATTER in the laboratory for some 30 yrs. now.
They also have the ability to influence electromagnetic pressures and hence the weather to some extent at a distance although they lack control to this date.
Our Western physicists are having a hard time grasping the concepts of this 'new' physics mainly because they refuse to let go of some long standing Eintein principles regarding matter.
Namely that matter only exists as RESULT of being in a higly stressed space. Take away the stress, and ALL matter disappears instantly. This is what the Soviets have been able to demonstrate in the lab.
In other words, we are in a highly stressed sphere. Highly stressed with static electricity pressure until matter erupts as a storehouse of excess energy.
That's about as simple as I can say it. The reading of Tom Bearden's books can explain this in much more detail although he tends to believe the stressed space is open-ended.
This research goes far beyond HAARP.
Almost all of it is based on Nicola Tesla's experiments.
A link to some 'Woodpecker' information.
http://www.cheniere.org/books/ferdelance/s63.htm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I find it odd that almost all have commented on the concept, rather than the substance. Not one person has mentioned the quote from the former sec of defense. Keep in mind that this story was published a month and a half before Katrina.
The story suggests that the Russians have the ability to "steer" the storm, not create it from scratch. Doesn't anyone find it ironic that both Katrina and Rita were aimed at our refineries? Isn't the impact of this going to effect our Economic well being for years to come?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard Steve Scott ( former Idaho weatherman) on Glen Beck (gag me) this morning and Scott does sound credible. Call me crazy. |
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SBD, reference my post above.
I haven't been following this scientific progression in several yrs.
The Soviets may have figured out some control parameters by now. That they can influence weather patterns at a distance (read around the world) is beyond question. Just the precisness of that control is an open question.
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I would put this whole concept in the same basket as the old Philadelphia Experiment story, i.e., BUNK.
As for the former Secretary of Defense.
William Cohen might have been the Secretary of Defense for the Clintons, but as far as I know he only had a B.A. in Latin from Bowdoin College and a law degree from Boston University Law School. None of this qualifies him as having insight into climate meteorology or anything that might have been useful in understanding any scientific reports or studies. All I can see is that he is another environmentalist who has hopped on the Junk Science bandwagon; and now he has credibility based only on a former political position to mask statements that he is not personally qualified to make.
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| BuffaloJack wrote: | I would put this whole concept in the same basket as the old Philadelphia Experiment story, i.e., BUNK.
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Aaaahhh, the good old USS Eldridge. A real ship that a real experiment to make a ship invisible to enemy radar actually took place on.
The movie took a lot of movie show license with it but the basic truth of what happened is well documented in some obscure locations. A huge coverup attempt was made and you have to dig very deep to find information, much of which the govt. has tried it's best to discredit.
The redacted documents dealing with the subject create more questions than they answer.
Basicly there was a specially wired alternator placed on board the Eldridge. Now this was a machine created straight from some of Tesla's papers.
This was Tesla's 'umbrella of protection' machine which he envisioned would protect the whole country from ICBMs.
This particular alternator was wired so that instead of power being drawn off of it in a normal manner, no power was drawn off. This caused a buildup of a static electro/magnetic charge. What they didn't expect and still to this day don't understand is what went wrong. That something did go wrong and men were entombed within steel plates is correct as reported by eyewitnesses to the event.
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Invisible to Radar is a lot different than the invisible man type invisible.
We do invisible to radar with stealth technology daily, but you can still see them with your eyes.
That bit with people stuck in decks and bulkheads is just so much hooey.
The Brits came closest to invisible man invisible by putting light bulbs all over a vehicle and having a means of allowing the light level to track the background lighting. It was an optical illusion but did make the vehicle appear to be the same as the background, hence, invisible.
The Eldridge may have been a real ship, but the legends about it are just gullible people believing what they want to believe.
Any experiment radiating microwaves to hide a ship would probably have resulted in lots of burn victims and a coverup to avoid lawsuits and bad publicity.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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We carried a SLC42 (sic) an ECM device that used microwaves to replicate and return active radar signals in mega-potentials to fry the originating transmitter and blind them. That sucker could cook a bird in flight...too bad they couldn't be cleaned first.
Nikolas Tesla was a mad genius. He managed to trigger an harmonic tremor on Wall Street and though starting as an Edison France employee he eventually upended Edison's world. I read one biography of him that told the story of his 'free electricity' project wherein he proposed to throw super-potential current into the atmosphere to rebound from the anti-pod, return for harmonic re-enforcing pulse so that a pervasive current existed globally and anywhere on the planet you could power electrical appliances wirelessly. His test site reportedly generated a 150' arc on the first return when it melted the Colorado Springs power plant with a load estimated about 6 million volts. The site was demolished and the documentation was still classified in the 70s. Always an eccentric and prickly he became more unpalatable and virtually unhinged thinking Marconi's wireless was a ripoff and alienated any wouldbe sympathizers.
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Marconi did use Tesla's patents to make his wireless device. And in 1956 or so the credit was removed from Marconi and transferred to Tesla.
He was a genius who was ahead of not only his time but ours still. Our top physicists still have no idea how he did some of the things he did or what he was even talking about.
The ulf waves we use to talk to our subs was a Tesla invention. He was the first to accurately calculate the resonate frequency of the earth and did cause a localized several block earthquake in NYC.
He was the first to define ZPE (zero point energy) that the foremost physicits of today are struggling as we speak to understand and harness.
I keep saying that if they find the switch, (short to ground) they will turn off the Universe.
The Navy also did do the aforementioned experiment in which the ship disappeared from view for almost 3 hrs.
The govt. has convinced most of the general public that it never happened. I've read enough on it to know that it did.
Tesla also suffered from obsesive/compulsive disorder.
We would have free electricity today if George Westinghouse had not pulled his funding for Tesla's free electricity project. Westinghouse had just paid Tesla a million dollars for the rights to build ployphase generators and distribute AC so he had a vested interest in making sure juice didn't become free.
All this is a matter of documented history.
Oh, and lets don't forget Alternating Current from polyphase generators which he has the patents for.
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| How can I buy that the Soviets can steer Hurricanes when they couldn't even save their own mini-sub this past summer? Remember the Brits came to the rescue? As for Tesla, I have read part of a book about him too. I guess he didn't have a good PR person because most people do not know the name whereas everyone knows Einstein or Edison. We only have about a hundred years of reliable weather data. Given that the Earth has had numerous Ice Ages, I've read (Ghosts of Vesuvius) that the Sun probably has periods of activity/solar flares/sunspots in intervals we are just begining to understand that influence greatly Earthweather. |
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