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shawa · CNO Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004

Harriet Miers for Supreme Court. I'm disappointed. Really wanted it to be Janice Rogers Brown.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051003/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_scotus
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GM Strong · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject:

The nomination of Harriet Miers seems to have thrilled the Republican base with the sound of a soft Bronx cheer and the cacophany of one handed applause instead of a high five.

I am personally baffled.
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shawa · CNO Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004

Hmm. I've been trying to figure out the 'WHY' of this nomination.
I'm thinking maybe it's because President Bush wants a quick confirmation
to get O'Conner out of the Court right away. There are some really important cases scheduled for this session of the Court, #1 being an abortion case. With O'Conner still on the Court, we know that it would be a 5-4 decision in favor of pro abortion argument. Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy can be counted on, but we need O'Conner out of there!!
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GM Strong · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject:

shawa · CNO Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004

Agreed. This nomination does not preclude that.
BUT, apparently Harry Reid told the president that he should consider Miers. When I read that, I was immediatedly cautious!! Is she a strong conservative?
From the President's remarks, he said he got good advice from 80 Senators. Looks like she is definitely confirmable.

I have to trust the President's judgement on this. So far, he has put strong conservatives on the courts. I see no reason to believe that this nomination isn't another 'wily fox' choice.
Initial reactions of conservatives are angry, wanting an avowed conservative, and we are not sure about where she will stand on the issues.

But the President knows her well, and he "KNOWS HER HEART", as he said in his remarks.

That's enough for me.

Snipe · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject:

Does anyone that the left will keep their word in confirmation
hearings, or anything else for that matter. He should have gone
with Janice Rogers Brown and then dropped the nuke on them
if they tried a "filibuster". I'm still of the old school where a filibuster
means one very long session. Just saying "filibuster" then going on
with life is garbage. What I wonder is when the Repubs are finally
going to get it in their heads that they are the MAJORITY party and
act like it.
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Anker-Klanker · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject:

Most of the posters on this forum have said at one time or the other that they'd hate to play poker against Bush.

His objective was to get the most conservative person he could get nominated on the Court. He knows her personally, and he has some very competent advisers who know a heck of a lot more about real-time politics than all the arm-chair politicians who have expressed their opinions since his choice was announced.

Beldar has some interesting thoughts on this if you're interested in a "professional" opinion.

shawa · CNO Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004

I think I like this lady. The President describes her as his "pitbull in size six shoes". She is not the swayable type! A devout Christian and strong Constitutionalist.

Like I said, I trust the President's judgement.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3379583

GM Strong · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

I listened to El Rushbo's interview with VP Cheney and I am willing to wait and see. It has to play out and we cannot be to quick to blow it here. Pres. Bush has suckered these Libs many times and this may be another. We know we are not happy with McCain-Fiengold, excessive spending etc. but we have wait and see. I'm going to be optimistic. On this one we simply have to trust.
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Schadow · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject:

I believe that Ms. Miers will be confirmed, albeit with a few nays from Republicans. This could be a classic 'stealth' candidate. It is inconceivable that the President does not know exactly her positions on all the major issues of the day and would not have put her forward unless those positions are his own. I believe she is a Conservative.

It would have been a gamble to nominate a strong, identifiable Conservative. If Bush were to win after bloody fights with the Left, he would have scored points, to be sure. But losing or having to withdraw a candidate would be an unneeded blow.

Miers' lack of a big paper trail will deflate the Dems on the committee because their biggest weapon is parsing memos for damaging statements. She'll have to do the Ginsburg dance about not forecasting how she will vote on issues but, other than that, the hearings should be pretty calm and short.

And we'll wind up with another Justice who will most likely be to our liking.

But then, I'm an optimist.

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homesteader · PO3 Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 294 Location: wisconsin

I was going to start a new threat titled LIBERAL NUKE MELTDOWN COMING but decided to post here instead until the subject matter is confirmed.

In his intro of Ms Miers this AM the President mentioned that she had been involved with Exodus Ministries. There is an Exodus Ministries that helps gays leave the lifestyle. They maintain that homosexuality is a choice and can be repudiated. It has strong evangelical Christian ties.

If Ms Miers was in any way connected to this particular organization, the left is going to come unglued. There may be other ministries by the same name that have nothing to do with homosexual "rehabilitation" but when their "dirt diggers" start doing their thing they are going to come across the name. If she was involved, she is going to have to stick to her principles under great pressure. If the Exodus she was involved with has nothing to do with homosexuality, she is going to be under pressure to distance herself from something with which she was not associated.

I find it interesting that the President stuck it right out there, in their faces, so to speak. One way or the other he was acting with confidence.

jwb7605 · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject:

homesteader · PO3 Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 294 Location: wisconsin

As a follow up to my earlier post about Ms Miers and Exodus.

The overwhelming response on google to Exodus Ministries associates the name with ministry to gays and exgays.

There was one reference to a ministry to help "exoffenders". This most likely is what Ms Miers did as an lawyer.

We will soon find out.

USS Endicott · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure how much faith I have in a Bush nomination. Remember, George Sr. gave us David Souter, aka "Take the peasants land David", as his stealth candidate for the Supreme Court. I prefer a candidate with a record that we can all see, than a stealth candidate that only the President can really vouch for. Why does President Bush even think he needs a stealth candidate? He did win the election, right?

Of course, there is no guarantee of how a nominee will turn out. O'Connor was pro-2nd Amendment before she was anti-2nd Amendment. At least she got the Kelo VS City of New London decision right. Three of the five decisions on that case were from Republican appointed Justices.

From what I've read about her, I really was hoping he'd appoint Janice Rogers Brown. Why in the world didn't he?

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GM Strong · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:05 pm Post subject:

I think we all had a big letdown today after all the spineless things that went before. We wanted a fight and won't get one, especially after McCain and the Gutless 7 waffled. Could we still trust those clowns in a tough fight? McCain in particular? Souter was an unknown quantity proposed by Sununu and unknown to Bush 41 and in response to Democrat obstruction when they were the majority. W knows this woman. We have to stick with this for awhile and see. There is more at work here than we know. There will be more in the next 3 years. Likely Stevens and Ginsburg will go. Think about it.
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