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 Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely says...Wilson 'outed' wife in 2002 |
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Glad to see this written up. I first saw it on a FReeper thread from someone who was listening to the interview on the John Batchelor show.
Seems Mr Wilson is quite talkative about his wife's supposed secret identity. Hope more people come forward now...
Fitzgerald ranted on and on and on about how terrible it was to expose this woman...
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| Quote: | THE PLAME GAME
Analyst says Wilson 'outed' wife in 2002 Disclosed in casual conversations a year before Novak column
November 5, 2005 By Art Moore 1:00 a.m.
A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controversy, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, revealed wife Valerie Plame's identity in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was "outed" by the White House through a columnist.
Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA operative in at least three, possibly five, separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts.
Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the U.S. faced off with Iraq in the run-up to the spring 2003 invasion.
Vallely says, according to his recollection, the first time Wilson mentioned his wife's job was around February or March of 2002 – more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as "an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."
WND learned of Vallely's claim through his interview Thursday night on the ABC radio network's John Batchelor show.
Vallely told WND that, in his opinion, it became clear over the course of several conversations that Wilson had his own agenda, as the ambassador's analysis of the war and its surrounding politics strayed from reality.
"He was a total self promoter," Vallely said. "I don't know it if was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he's created so much turmoil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath."
The only indictment in Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's two-year investigation came one week ago when Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of making false statements and two counts of perjury in the case. He could face up to 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines if convicted on all five counts.
Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife.
"That was pretty common knowledge," he said. "She's been out there on the Washington scene many years."
If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, "he would not have paraded her around as he did."
"This whole thing has become the biggest non-story I know," he concluded, "and all created by Joe Wilson."
Fitzgerald has been investigating whether Plame's identity was leaked by the White House as retaliation against Wilson for his assertion that the Bush administration made false claims about Iraq's attempt to buy nuclear material in Africa.
Wilson traveled to Niger in February 2002 on a CIA-sponsored trip to check out the allegations about Iraq and wrote up his findings in a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion piece titled "What I Didn't Find in Africa."
White House defenders insist the aides simply were setting the record straight about Wilson, seeking to put his credibility in context by pointing out it was Plame who helped him get the CIA consulting job. Wilson denied his wife's role initially, but a bipartisan report by the Senate panel documented it.
Wilson declared in the column that his trip revealed the Iraq-Niger connection was dubious, but his oral report to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence actually corroborated the controversial "16 words" in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Libby's charges pertained only to the investigation itself, not the 1982 act that made it illegal to blow a covert U.S. agent's cover.
The Washington attorney who spearheaded the drafting of that law told WND earlier this year that Plame's circumstances don't meet the statute's criteria.
Victoria Toensing – who worked on the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence – said Plame most likely was not a covert agent when White House aides mentioned her to reporters.
The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United States within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a covert agent nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.
Kristof said the CIA brought Plame back to Washington in 1994 because the agency suspected her undercover security had been compromised by turncoat spy Aldrich Ames.
Wilson's own book, "The Politics of Truth," states he and Plame both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997 and never again were stationed overseas – placing them in Washington at least six years before the 2003 "outing."
Moreover, asserted Toensing, for the law to be violated, White House aides would have had to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowledge that they were disclosing a covert agent. |
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dayum this is heating up fast
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| Quote: | THE PLAME GAME
Joe Wilson fumes over Vallely charges in WND
Demands retraction of statements alleging he 'outed' wife in Fox studio
Posted: November 5, 2005
10:10 p.m. Eastern
By Joseph Farah and Art Moore
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – Ambassador Joseph Wilson's attorney is demanding Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely retract a statement he made to WND that the man at the center of the CIA leak case "outed" his own wife as a CIA employee in conversations more than a year before her identity was revealed in a syndicated column.
A demand letter was sent by Christopher Wolf, partner at Proskauer Rose LLP and counsel for Wilson, to both Vallely and WND tonight.
It disputes Vallely's claim that Wilson mentioned Valerie Plame's status with the CIA in conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington as they waited to appear as analysts.
"As you know, that assertion and the claim that Ambassador Wilson revealed to you or to anyone that his wife worked for the CIA is patently false, and subjects you and anyone publishing your statements to legal liability," states the letter.
It continues: "We are writing to demand that you immediately retract the assertion attributed to you and to insist that you stop making the false allegation. In addition, we request that you identify all persons or entitites (sic) to whom you made any claim that Ambassador Wilson revealed his wife's employment at the CIA to you."
The e-mail received by WND included earlier comments by Wilson to his attorney.
"This is slanderous," Wilson wrote. "I never appeared on tv before at least July 2002 and only saw him maybe twice in the green room at FOX. Vallely is a retired general and this is a bald faced lie. Can we sue? This is not he said/she said, since I never laid eyes on him till several months after he alleges I spoke to him about my wife."
WND attempted to reach Wilson and Wolf for a phone interview, but Wolf responded in an e-mail, saying: "We do not wish to make a statement. Our demand for retraction of the false and libelous statments (sic) stands. We demand that the article be removed from your Web Site and that any printed versions be retracted, and that an official retraction and apology be issued."
In a subsequent e-mail, Wolf explained that he had not intended to append an e-mail from Wilson.
"The earlier version appended additional e-mails that were not intended for you and I would ask you to discard them, please," he wrote. "Specifically, you do not have permission to re-produce or quote from those e-mails sent to you in error.
The authors of those e-mails retain all rights in those ommunications, including copyright and rights under applicable privilege law. Please be advised that your use of those e-mails in any way will compound your liability for the publication of the libelous statements which prompted my letter."
Those e-mails were sent twice to WND, prior to Wolf's attempt to withdraw them.
Vallely said he won't respond directly to Wilson or his attorney.
"I think he's panicked that somebody is going to take him on," said Vallely tonight. "He can make statements, and yet he's not brought in under oath."
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known, proven liar Wilson wants us to believe he's more credible than Vallely?
the Major General doesnt sound like he's going to give any retraction
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Here is another photo of the Media WHore and his secret wife. Notice how distraught and serious they both look. 
July 2005 Vanity Fair. Talk about vanity.  
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| GM Strong wrote: | Here is another photo of the Media WHore and his secret wife. Notice how distraught and serious they both look.
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Their neighbors are in on the act as well. Saw one of them on TV discussing how she was a soccer mom and how amazed he was to discover her secret agent life. He was a bout as believable as a kid declaring their dog ate their homework.
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more from johnbatchelor
<snip> | Quote: | | I have been in communication with Vallely and Farah all evening, and both will be on my show on Monday night 7 November at 1005 pm est. Vallely is certain of his memory. Farah is certain of his report. I am certain of them both. |
wonder if Vallely has already obtained logs of these appearances on Fox 
and from
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| Quote: | Far out
General Vallely says Wilson offered up to him the information that his wife was a CIA employee, well before the Novak article.
Joseph C. Wilson, revealed wife Valerie Plame’s identity in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was “outed” by the White House through a columnist.
Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame’s status as a CIA operative in at least three, possibly five, separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel’s “green room” in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts.
Victor Davis Hanson says in another Green Room encounter pre-Novak column, Wilson made the same disclosure to him.
Fred Barnes has said everyone knew Plame was in the CIA..
Andrea Mitchell says this as well.
Add this to the Ames outing of Plame, and the Agency’s subsequent inadvertent outing of her to the Cubans, one has to ask how in the world this investigation can be justified and why, if we all know this, the Special Prosecutor didn’t.
If he did, why did he keep this nonsensical and expensive inquiry alive?
A more interesting inquiry, apparently would be, who didn’t know Plame was with the CIA?
Clarice Feldman 11 05 05 |
Wilson aka pathological liar, caught in his own trap
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Here's a conundrum. Given two statements, whose would you believe? Joe Wilson or Bill Clinton? YIKES!!!!
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| Quote: | WEST POINT RALLIES AGANST WILSON
By: John Batchelor · Section: Diaries
WEST POINT RALLIES AGAINST WILSON.
Lt. General Tom McInerney, USAF (ret), West Point '59, will join his colleague Maj. General Paul Vallely, USA (ret), West Point '61, on my show Monday 7 November (1005 pm Eastern Time on ABC Radio Network) to repeat and expand upon Vallely's memory that Joe Wilson more than once in 2002 in the green room at Fox New Channel in Washington D.C. boasted about his wife the "CIA desk officer." McInerney has the same memory and more, since both he and Vallely were on FNC between 150 and 200 times in 2002 each.
You will recall that Vallely received a threatening e-mail from Wilson's attorney Christopher Wolf on Saturday 5 November, demanding Vallely retract his remarks on my show Thursday November 3, and to WorldNetDaly.com on Friday November 4. Vallely has not such intention.
Included in the threatening e-mail was an attached e-mail from Wilson himself, calling Vallely's remarks "slanderous."
Also, I have written my regular correspondent Victor Davis Hanson to ask after his reported memories of Wilson boasting to him in a green room meeting that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA.
Joseph Farah, editor of WorldNetDaily will join us, since Farah's website has covered this tale closely since last week, and has received the same sort of threatening e-mail from Wilson's attorney Wolf to retract published remarks by Vallely about the incidents.
The tale grows incrementally and steadily, like history. Questions for those concerned: Did Russert of NBC, or Cooper of Time Warner, or Miller of NYT ever have a similar conversation with Wilson in a green room, or know someone who did? Did Fitzgerald's lengthy investigation ever concern itself with green room conversations, contacting such as Vallely and McInerney and Hanson?
More: what or who at the CIA decided to refer the revelation of Plame to the DOJ for investigation in 2003, after the publication of Plame's employment by Novak, yet never moved to investigate the green room incidents such as Vallely, McInerney in 2002? Did the CIA know of the 2002 green room incidents? Was this not a concern in choosing Wilson to travel to Niger and report on Niger to the NYT and other publications, and to write of the trip in 2003? Does the CIA know if Wilson continued to boast of his wife's employment in 2003 up to and after her identity was revealed by Novak?
In brief, why did Fitzgerald not investigate Wilson for the same concerns he investigated Libby and Rove and others?
Time for Fitzgerald to start again? New grand jury? Put Wilson under oath along with Vallely and McInerney and all others who remember Wilson's boasting of his wife as a "CIA desk officer" prior to Novak's publication?
For now: Monday November 7, 1005 pm Eastern Time, West Point rallies against Joe Wilson. Who is more credible, two decorated combat heroes with a combined five stars and nearly one hundred years living with their oath to defend the Constitution - or Joe Wilson? |
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From http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/891
Gen Paul Vallely has come forward and claimed Joe Wilson was talking about his CIA wife in the Fox News Green Room - a charge Wilson is denying with threat of legal action.
"This is slanderous," Wilson wrote. "I never appeared on tv before at least July 2002 and only saw him maybe twice in the green room at FOX.
Well, when was Wilson possibly in the Green Room with Vallely? In reverse chronological order:
January 10th, 2003 (Vallely, Wilson). Wilson was on John Gibson's show this day. Which is why Gibson has similar recollections to General Vallely. Vallely was on Cavuto which airs right before Gibson's show.
November 18, 2002 (Vallely, Wilson). Vallely was scheduled for 1:10, Wilson was to be on after 3:00 PM.
October 1, 2003 (Vallely, Wilson). Wilson was on Fox and Friends in the morning, Vallely on Cavuto. Depending on when Vallely came in to tape his section they could have met up.
September 12, 2002 - they were on the same show at 3:00 PM.
August 20, 2002 (Vallely, Wilson). Wilson was on Greta and Vallely on Cavuto. Depending on when/if things were taped the could have run into each other.
Well, four good opportunities to run into Wilson in the Green Room. BTW, all the guests listed in the same days as these make for potential witnesses. Not to mention all the times Wilson was at Fox and other networks. |
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I love Batchelor's comment at AJ Strata:
"Call them West Point Vets For Truth"
Also, Batchelor references Victor Davis Hanson apparently had a green room experience with Joe Wilson.
From a poster at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1444396/posts#35
| Quote: | Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)
35 posted on 07/17/2005 3:36:22 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales |
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It would seem to me that, at least, Fox would be all over this story (I get why msm would be reluctant to disclose, after all, the LL has a lot of their eggs in this 'Wilson' basket which, imo, leads directly to the whole 'Bush Lied Us Into War' mantra!)
How long from blog to cable? I actually have friends who believe this is something Batchelor is scamming. |
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| I love it,,everyone is lying... |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:06 am Post subject: Bumper Sticker |
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I want a bumper sticker that reads:
Honk If You Knew Valerie Plame Was In The CIA
I'd so enjoy wearing it with my Gitmo t shirt. |
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After last night's radio show: (Also, this was mentioned by BRIT HUME in the segment From the Grapevine). I noticed that there is no comment from McInerney re: the 'outing' to him.
WHO TASKED PLAME?
By: John Batchelor · Section: Diaries
WHO TASKED PLAME? On my show November 7, Vallely restated his memory that Joe Wilson told him in a "casual conversation" in the green room at Fox News Network in 2002 that Wilson's wife "worked at the Agency." Valley said that he would not retract his statement in response to a letter of demand from Joe Wilson's lawyer Christopher Wolf. Also, Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily said that he would not retract his publication's articles about Paul Vallely's statements.
Also, John Loftus reported that in e-mail from Joe Wilson to Loftus (who is an admitted friend of Wilson's) Wilson has said that he is adamant he did not say such a thing to Vallely or to anyone, at anytime, at any place.
Later, Tom McInerney called for the whole story from the CIA: why was Wilson sent to Niger in February 2002 despite his lack of WMD knowledge, despite the fact he had not been there in 20 years, despite his lack of training in intelligence gathering? Why didn't Wilson have to make a written report to the CIA when he returned? Why wasn't Wilson required to sign a confidentially agreement? Why didn't the CIA make an effort to conceal the fact that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA? Why didn't the CIA object when Wilson spoke about his Niger trip to Kristoff of the New York Times, who published a reference? Why didn't the CIA require Wilson to submit his op-ed to the review board for vetting and approval? Why didn't the CIA investigate other reports of Wilson speaking of his Niger trip, his wife's job, his own political interpretations of CIA business to the media?
McInerney's answer to these mysteries is that Wilson was part of a CIA smear campaign against the Bush administration.
At the least, these questions deserve answers if we are to have a full accounting of the origins of the investigation (called for by the CIA in September 2003) that has led to the indictment of Libby and the defaming of the Bush administration.
Later in the broadcast, Jed Babbin of American Spectator told me that his investigation of some of the questions raised above points to the Deputy Director of Operations at the CIA.
Who tasked Plame to task her to hire her husband? Who paid Wilson's chits? Who let Wilson go on without a confidentially agreement? If the Wilson report of Niger was classified when it went to the Vice President's office, why wasn't Wilson warned he had classified information that he was unfree to distribute?
And who directed the CIA general counsel to make a criminal referral to the DOJ after Novak's columns in July 2003? Referral on what basis? The 1982 law? Who determined there might be a violation? What name? The same DDO office?
Start with the first name: who tasked Plame, February of 2002, to task her husband to travel to Niger? That name is the beginning of the rest of the story.
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In the RedState comment section someone posted:
"...Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, who said a Bush aide disclosed that his wife is a CIA operative in retaliation for his criticism of the Iraq war, has worked since May (03) as an unpaid adviser to Senator John F. Kerry, offering foreign policy advice and speechwriting tips to the Democratic presidential candidate from Massachusetts. Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie said Wilson's work for Democrats may have motivated him to attack the administration...
...Kerry's advisers acknowledged yesterday that Wilson, who has also donated $2,000 to Kerry this year, [/b]told them about his allegations against the White House involving his wife before going public with them this summer. But Rand Beers, Kerry's top adviser on foreign affairs, said the campaign has not played a role in coordinating Wilson's charges.--
I believe Rand Beers, don't you?"
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In the RedState comment section someone posted:
"...Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, who said a Bush aide disclosed that his wife is a CIA operative in retaliation for his criticism of the Iraq war, has worked since May (03) as an unpaid adviser to Senator John F. Kerry, offering foreign policy advice and speechwriting tips to the Democratic presidential candidate from Massachusetts. Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie said Wilson's work for Democrats may have motivated him to attack the administration...
...Kerry's advisers acknowledged yesterday that Wilson, who has also donated $2,000 to Kerry this year, told them about his allegations against the White House involving his wife before going public with them this summer. But Rand Beers, Kerry's top adviser on foreign affairs, said the campaign has not played a role in coordinating Wilson's charges.--
I believe Rand Beers, don't you?"
If this is repetitive news re: the subject, I apologize....if research has already been done, does anyone know if any of this can be traced back to Kerry? |
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