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[kimberly]

Several (LL) people on another message board I post on are using this and the video as evidence that US troops are targeting civilians and using WMD's on them, and of course, President Bush is being blamed. Is there no end?



http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=2883

US Troops used "Poison Gas" in Fallujah documentary claims
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, November 08, 2005
 
Have you heard this one? We allegedly used poison gas on Iraqi civilians in Fallujah according to a new documentary.
No, really, that's the story:

Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.
Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.
On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."
The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

[Uisguex Jack]

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

The Reds might not be at work in PRC... but they do seem to be at work here at home. They seemed to forget mentioning 'depleted Uranium, and 'cluster bombs', the mantra's of the last thirty years.

Maybe Misseur Kerry can be a spokesman for these issues of using Road side Flairs as conclusive evidence the U.S. is evil incarnate and must succumb to the beloved Islam!!?

[Schadow]

If white phosphorus can be defined as a WMD, we've been guilty of that since WWI. Frog feathers.

Schadow
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[kimberly]

[kate]

from the opening post

[BuffaloJack]

White Phosphorus is NOT poison gas. It is an incindiary material. Upon exposure to air, it will burst into flames and is difficult if not impossible to put out. While burning it creates a cloud of phosphorus oxide. Phosphorus oxide reacts with the humidity in the air to form phosphoric acid, the additive that gives Pepsi, Coke and soda pop its tangy taste and makes it so that Coke will clean rust really well. This stuff isn't poisonous, but it is irritating; it is infact edible if it isn't in a concentrated form. If you got it in your eyes it would sting like lemon juice or vinegar, but it's not going to kill you. The news story is 100% media hype designed to anger the ignorant and ill informed.

How do I know about this stuff? I am a chemical engineer.
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[kate]

The "documentary" is online here if you can tolerate it
Italian RAI News
they have 2 US soldiers appearing for them
one going on and on about the white phosphorus...he is apparently their 'expert'

30 minutes of propaganda
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[LewWaters]

Sounds like old Peter Arnette's work from Viet Nam. Seems we were acussed then too.

Just remember, they support the troops, but not the war

Once they get everyone believing they too are baby killers, guess what comes next, when they get home?

[Schadow]

I could get only about 8 minutes of the film when my player went into an endless rebuffering mode. But what I saw and heard labeled this as pure BS. For instance, the Brit narrator describes napalm drop tanks as "glowing from friction" as they are dropped. I've never heard rarefaction condensate described as "glowing from friction".

Didn't get to the "white phosphorus" part of the film, but from the stills at the bottom of the page I'm afraid I would have to re-identify what I see as magnesium flares.

Does indeed put one in mind of "Winter Soldier".

Schadow
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[kimberly]

thank you all so much for your comments. I am up early this morning, barely got any sleep. I found this to be so disturbing and am hopeful that the story does not have legs, but I feel like the LL is gaining momentum as they seem to find more and more each day to add to their anti-Bush, anti-war rhetoric. My thoughts were also similar to Lew's. God help our troops should this happen again.

Kimberly

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[carpro]

Basically they're claiming that white Phosphorus and napalm are "chemical" weapons.

They're clearly not , but to the uninformed...and those who wish to remain so...

Fuel for the fire.
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[Schadow]

This morning, the news is full of this story and we have "admitted" using white phosphorus at Fallujah.

Again, WP is not classified as a "chemical weapon". Rather, it's primarily a smoke generating device used to create confusion through the enemy not being able to see what's going on around them. In Korea, it was widely used in grenades, mortar rounds and artillery projectiles.

Everything is a "chemical". High explosive is a chemical and the products of exploding it include fragments which kill or maim people. An improvised explosive device could be called a "chemical weapon", but nobody will.

This will probably become the cause celebre of the day since the President is out of town.

Schadow
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[Deuce]

[LewWaters]

This just keeps getting better and better. Our use of "chemical" weapons isn't enough, so now, we throw the "detainees" to the lions