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GM Strong
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 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: Chirac Vows to Punish Rioters |
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Chirac Vows to Punish Rioters
Sunday, November 06, 2005
PARIS — French President Jacques Chirac on Sunday promised arrests, trials and punishment for those sowing "violence or fear" across France — as the urban unrest that has triggered attacks on vehicles, nursery schools and other targets reached central Paris.
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I somehow find this familiar, Gee Whiz, now who said that??? It was after the Trade Center bombing, Kohbar Towers, Two US Embassies, and the USS Cole. For my own sake I'm having a hard time recollecting who declared this. Maybe Hillary Rodham Clinton Rodham knows.
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MrJapan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| I say let the pieces fall in place... it has been edging closer for a long time now.. |
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jwb7605
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| MrJapan wrote: | | I say let the pieces fall in place... it has been edging closer for a long time now.. |
EXACTLY.
Well and concisely stated, MrJapan. |
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Chirac better have a care. The French have been holding impromptu
"elections" by mob for centurys.
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GM Strong
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I don't know what the French word for Cajones is, but Chirac does not have any. He will not make the hard decision and protect his nation. He is a surrender monkey and if any true French patriots are still in that country they need to make themselves known.
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wwIIvetsdaughter
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Punishment? Who is Chirac trying to fool? The French way is to appease, appease, appease. My only question is will the Islamic conquest of Paris take more or less time than the Nazi conquest?  |
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PhantomSgt
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The prophecies say the Islamic invasion will take place in Spain and Italy. The Islamists in France are the advance guard spreading fear and turmoil.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| It is reported that Chirac is soon to surrender the country to the rioters! |
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The traditional values of marriage and family are just SO bourgeois. How much more egalitarian to rely upon unfettered immigration as a means of bolstering a declining native population. 
I'm not much of a Michael Savage fan, but he sure hits the mark with his "borders language culture" mantra, and we need to learn something from France's current travails. "Multi-culturism" is a weapon aimed directly at the heart and soul of this country and we best be about the business of recognizing and eradicating it like the pestilence it is. |
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dcornutt
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Yes,
Their punishment will be to have to stay in France  |
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GenrXr
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | The traditional values of marriage and family are just SO bourgeois. How much more egalitarian to rely upon unfettered immigration as a means of bolstering a declining native population.
I'm not much of a Michael Savage fan, but he sure hits the mark with his "borders language culture" mantra, and we need to learn something from France's current travails. "Multi-culturism" is a weapon aimed directly at the heart and soul of this country and we best be about the business of recognizing and eradicating it like the pestilence it is. |
Well stated.
Most of the frogs problems can be traced to two men.
From Roueseau's The Social Contract (1762), the French formed their distrust of God and government and embraced the individual and general will. Whatever the hell general will is, as the frogs are still trying to figure that one out.
And from Babeuf who started the Conspiracy of Equality in the 1780's a marxist movement which sought egalitarian "communism" which they viewed as a "pure democracy". This was the dawn of the leftist and in its wake left 100's of millions dead through out the world and combined with Roueseau's philosophy 4 tattered French constitutions.
Amazingly, one of Americas most ardent supporters of our constitution was a Frenchman. Tocqueville's 'Democracy in America', took on the challenge of defending capitalism against not only the Left, but also the Churches teachings on materialism. His conclusion was capitalism is the best system flaws and all.
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GM Strong wrote
| Quote: | | I don't know what the French word for Cajones is, but Chirac does not have any. He will not make the hard decision and protect his nation. He is a surrender monkey and if any true French patriots are still in that country they need to make themselves known. |
Chirac and de Villepin are typical Leftists.
Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy would be a much stronger leader. He is more to the right-of-center and appears to have some cajones. Also endorses a free-market economy providing job growth rather than the Left's 'let the government provide'.
| Quote: | French Roast
Debra J. Saunders
Tuesday, November 8, 2005
SOME FRANCE-bashers are taking great delight in the Muslim riots that are burning French neighborhoods and claimed their first fatality Monday. But this 12-night rampage is no laughing -- or gloating -- matter. It is as tragic as it was inevitable.
Coverage of the riots by major American media has been incomplete. Headlines have referred to "angry French teens" and "angry immigrants." That's misleading. According to a French official, most of these rioters are French born -- the children or grandchildren of African and Arab immigrants. The word that is missing in the headlines, and that comes in later paragraphs in news stories is: Muslim. Hence the frequent rioters' cry: Allahu Akbar. God is great. Not that you'll read that in the New York Times.
About 10 percent of France's population is Muslim, largely the children and grandchildren of immigrants from North Africa. Unemployment is rampant among French Muslims, as high as 30 percent or more, by some estimates. Many blame French prejudice against ethnic Arabs and Africans. The government's stated ideal of colorblind integration certainly has failed miserably, as unemployed families simply aren't going to integrate into a middle-class culture.
"It was not a question of if (the rioting) would occur, but when it would occur," noted former U.S. Ambassador to France Howard Leach from his San Francisco office. Leach went on to explain: "The reason it happened in France is that France has not made an active effort to assimilate these folks."
The rioting began after two teenagers, Zyed Benna, 17, and Bouna Traore, 15, were electrocuted Oct. 27 while hiding in a power substation from police in the Parisian suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois. The government said that the police were not chasing the boys, but the Muslim community was outraged at the deaths. Riots ensued. Across France, angry rioters torched cars -- more than 3,500 vehicles, according to the Financial Times -- attacked individuals and fired at police. Authorities found a factory for homemade bombs in Evry, a town south of Paris.
A New York Times editorial predictably blamed Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy for calling the rioters "scum" and "riffraff." Sarkozy's biggest fault is that he is center-right. The editorial did not wag a finger at President Jacques Chirac, but did fault a policy he championed -- a ban on Muslim girls wearing head scarves at public schools.
It may turn out that the scarf ban tactically was a bad idea. Nonetheless, France has as much right to implement said ban as Muslim countries have to require women to wear the veil. Let me add that Muslim activists wanted far more than head scarves at public schools. They also wanted gender-segregated physical-education and history classes expunged of the Holocaust. Change the scarf policy and they still will be dissatisfied.
Meanwhile, the Sarkozy-bashing is all wrong. Sarkozy, it should be noted, ordered police not to fire at rioters. How can critics call him polarizing when, as the Los Angeles Times reported Monday, rioters have fired at police about half a dozen times, but police have not fired back?
Leach sees Sarkozy as a constructive force, who, unlike Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, embraces the sort of Anglo-American free-market economic reforms that should raise employment levels and offer opportunity to the economically disenfranchised.
De Villepin prefers the government-rich model -- government programs and job counseling -- and dismisses the Sarkozy approach as un-French.
There is such a thing as being too French, after all. High unemployment, for example, is very French. Les grèves (strikes) are French. These riots are French.
While critics point to France's shortcomings, violence erupts around the world. London's July bombings sadly demonstrate that a healthy attitude and low unemployment alone cannot ward off extremism. The very-inclusive Dutch were horrified last year when a Muslim jihadist shot, stabbed and almost beheaded filmmaker Theo van Gogh. The killer left a note that warned other jihadists were ready to kill "the enemies of Islam."
The entire planet has been endangered by rogue extremists who promote violence in the name of Islam. Angry young minds are so drawn to the cause that they ignore cooler words -- such as the fatwa issued by a leading French Muslim organization against the riots.
And while critics may gloat at Chirac's discomfit, sadly, it is France's poor that will have paid the highest price. As the Ministry of Tourism noted in a statement, "The violence has occurred mainly at night in districts inhabited by the underprivileged. These persons are themselves the principal victims."
As tempting as it is to blame the French, even Francophobes need to be aware: What started around Paris could happen anywhere. |
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| Phantom, what prophecy are you referring too? |
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GM Strong
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Chirac meets wioth the Rioters to negotiate calm.
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