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GenrXr
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 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: Was 'Brother and Sister' an attack against the black family? |
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I am currently brushing up on John Stuart Mill for an article about to be written and came across something which I believe black people should read. In J.F. Stephens refutation of secular humanism and in particular Comte and Mill, Kirk writes,
| Quote: | | As for fraternity-who really believes in it? "It is not love that one wants from the great mass of mankind, but respect and justice." Are we really brothers? "Are we even fiftieth cousins?" And though we should be, is not this relationship too abstract for any practical action in our vale of tears, with so many more pressing problems about us? To proclaim every man your brother is to deny that any particular man has claims of kinship upon you. |
The Conservative Mind, Russel Kirk 1953 p.314
The black family has suffered greatly under leftist ideology and it is my opinion 'brother' and 'sister' was just another humanist method of destroying the black family unit.
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Uisguex Jack
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I may very well be wrong about this but my sense is the practice of using the word 'brother' as a vernacular African American thing came about a little later.
I have heard the theory put forward that many such terms came about by way of G.I.'s getting thier R+R in Hawaii during the Vietnam era.
This is to say allot of the slang that came about is actually Hawiian slang from the beach.
This said, it looks like your doing some fun reading. |
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GenrXr
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| Uisguex Jack wrote: | I may very well be wrong about this but my sense is the practice of using the word 'brother' as a vernacular African American thing came about a little later.
I have heard the theory put forward that many such terms came about by way of G.I.'s getting thier R+R in Hawaii during the Vietnam era.
This is to say allot of the slang that came about is actually Hawiian slang from the beach.
This said, it looks like your doing some fun reading. |
I did not mean to imply Stephens was referring to black people per se in the 1870's, rather this refutation of the socialist doctrine is applicable to the people who implanted the idea of 'brother' and 'sister' within the black community at a later date.
This is not necessarily a consipracy against the black community as much as an intentional weakening of the black spirit by breaking down their family unit in order to make them more serving to the socialist ideal.
Although secular humanism and its political socialist governmental construct are pure evil, in the mind of the secularist it is paradise and the family unit needs to be destroyed in order to facillitate the fantasy.
So in the socialists view their breaking apart the family unit is positive progress for blacks. In this aspect it cannot be viewed as a conspiracy, rather just crazy kooks who actually pulled off what they thought would be beneficial to the black community.
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homesteader
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kind of off topic.
From the context above it sounds like John Stuart Mill was a secular humanist but he wrote one of the most concise observations about war I have ever read.
WAR IS AN UGLY THING
War is and ugly thing
But not the ugliest of things
The decayed and degraded state
Of moral and patriotic feeling
That thinks that nothing is worth war
Is worse
A man who has nothing
For which he is willing to fight
Nothing he cares about
More than his personal safety
Is a miserable creature
Who has no chance of being free
Unless made and kept so
By the exertions and sacrifices
Of better men than himself
John Stuart Mill |
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| homesteader wrote: | Kind of off topic.
From the context above it sounds like John Stuart Mill was a secular humanist but he wrote one of the most concise observations about war I have ever read.
WAR IS AN UGLY THING
War is and ugly thing
But not the ugliest of things
The decayed and degraded state
Of moral and patriotic feeling
That thinks that nothing is worth war
Is worse
A man who has nothing
For which he is willing to fight
Nothing he cares about
More than his personal safety
Is a miserable creature
Who has no chance of being free
Unless made and kept so
By the exertions and sacrifices
Of better men than himself
John Stuart Mill |
I agree nice poem, and this is how the securalist plays the cards. What is missing in this poem is any definition of mans virtue and how he is able to act virtuous. This poem merely reflects the self. How is it there are moral and patriotic feeling and what gives rise to it and what guides the men who exert and sacrifice for the freedom of the selfish man.
Mill was a contradiction in many ways one of which was as the student of Betham he carried the utilitarian torch from Bentham, yet was also an admirer of Coleridge, whom was one of Betham's most fierce consersative critics.
Utility was a complete break down in logic in man and created much confusion within his reason.
Mill was writing during a period called the "enlightenment" which many conservatives have called the hardly enlightened period. He believed man could be virtuous without any outside force acting upon his nature, yet this is horribly wrong. Conservative philosophy holds that God and his moral code handed down to man is the force which acts upon man to produce virtue. This is in no means fire and brimstone , rather a reflection of the selfish nature of man and his need for something greater then himself for purpose in life. Without this force acting upon mans nature the dark side is revealed and we end up with fascism, communism and islamism. This is historically accurate.
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