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Missle fired at LAX Jet?
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wwIIvetsdaughter
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was a shoulder mounted type missle, wouldn't it of detonated after missing it's target or hit the water with a big splash? The area is heavily populated, this event (if it happened) could have been seen from the ground.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The airlines donated money to Gore's 2000 campaign, that's why his recommendations were dropped.

The TWA800 story is still ongoing, a former pilot is filing a lawsuit with the NTSB about the "zoom climb" theory. An airliner can't continue to climb with it's nose shot off, that was basis for the NTSB's theory to explain what witnesses saw.

Anyone else remember this Malkin/MANPAD/Oklahoma City story from July?

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/manpads.htm

This isn't being widely reported, I think, to keep people from panicing and not flying thus hurting the airlines even more than they are hurting now.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever the Israeli's do we need to do.

nuff said
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wwIIvetsdaughter wrote:
If it was a shoulder mounted type missle, wouldn't it of detonated after missing it's target or hit the water with a big splash? The area is heavily populated, this event (if it happened) could have been seen from the ground.


Maybe? If anyone in Inglewood looked up from snorting a line of coke or dropped their crack pipe, they might have seen something. But they would never tell the "man" about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1529700/posts

Interesting radar images at post 751 on the Freeper site.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreeFall wrote:
An airliner can't continue to climb with it's nose shot off...


I don't know the source for this assertion, but it seems to me to be a gross overstatement of an extremely complex aerodynamic situation. I can easily envision flight dynamics that might well cause the remaining structure to climb rapidly, at least for a short duration. Confused

Also, as this topic relates to the LAX report, let's try to keep it there. If you want to discuss TWA800 or tangential subjects, please start a new topic or resurrect an old one. Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graphics on TWA800 are here, to the right:

http://raylahr.entryhost.com/

The most it could have climbed, if at all, was about 200 ft, the NTSB had it climbing over 3000'; this is the basis for Ray Lahr's lawsuit. He is a former Navy & TWA pilot and a story about his lawsuit is here:

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/k/kovach/2004/kovach071004.htm

Like Sephton, the plaintiff in this “zoom-climb” lawsuit cannot be dismissed as a so-called “conspiracy theorist”. Ray Lahr is a former Navy fighter pilot, who later retired from TWA as an airline captain — and crash investigator. He is convinced that the official government version of the Flight 800 crash is flawed. And, he is now suing the government over some of the “proof” of their official story.

Lahr says that the video, which was released to the news media to support the official story, shows an event that is aerodynamically impossible. And, after the FBI and the NTSB showed the video at a press conference, representatives of Boeing quickly distanced the company from the video (press statement, 18 Nov 1997). For reasons that are unclear, the video was produced by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Captain Lahr believes that the official story about the Flight 800 crash cannot be supported by the evidence. And, when he saw the video, he felt that the public had been duped. He set out to prove what his gut had told him instantly: the scenario shown in the computer-animated video is impossible. Lahr has tried to obtain the calculations used to create the video; but, the NTSB and Boeing have refused to provide them.

In their last major confrontation in court, in December of 2003, the judge made a surprising decision. Judge Howard Matz added the CIA as a defendant in the case. Considering that the CIA produced the video, the decision makes sense. But, common sense is not often so prevalent in court cases, especially against the government.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreeFall wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1529700/posts

Interesting radar images at post 751 on the Freeper site.


Interesting what can be found on the net
(radar images are at post 701)
Quote:
Approximate 1 meg gif of flight path.
Gif is at approximate 2-second intervals.
Note anomaly at approximately 6,000 feet and 12:52 p.m.

Two blips on screen are identified at Flt 612:


also on that page ( and the next 2 pages)
posting of links to, and interpretation of the Audio of AA612 pilot to tower
Quote:
A=American Airlines Flight 612
T=LAX Tower

T: (inaudible) ...flare or a rocket?
A: (inaudbile) ...eh, it looked more like a rocket...
T: American 612 how far away was it from your position?
A: It was about 1/2 way between us and the coastline when we first called uh, in the LAX (he said "lax") center guy (inaudible)


apparently those flight path images, and these tower recordings are freely available on-line

interesting read & discussion
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