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SBD
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 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Newspapers republish Muhammad caricatures |
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What a suprise this story turns out to be. The fact that Seattle published it and France and Germany republished the Muhammad cartoon is amazing.
Do they finally get it??
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Prophet_Drawings.html
Wednesday, February 1, 2006 · Last updated 9:36 a.m. PT
Newspapers republish Muhammad caricatures
By ANGELA CHARLTON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
PARIS -- French and German newspapers on Wednesday republished caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have riled the Muslim world, saying democratic freedoms include the "right to blasphemy."
The front page of the daily France Soir carried the headline "Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God" along with a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud. Inside, the paper reran the drawings.
"The appearance of the 12 drawings in the Danish press provoked emotions in the Muslim world because the representation of Allah and his prophet is forbidden. But because no religious dogma can impose itself on a democratic and secular society, France Soir is publishing the incriminating caricatures," the paper said.
Germany's Die Welt daily printed one of the drawings on its front page, arguing that a "right to blasphemy" was anchored in democratic freedoms. The Berliner Zeitung daily also printed two of the caricatures as part of its coverage of the controversy.
The Danish daily Jyllands-Posten originally published the cartoons in September after asking artists to depict Islam's prophet to challenge what it perceived was self-censorship among artists dealing with Islamic issues. A Norwegian newspaper reprinted the images this month.
The depictions include an image of Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, and another portraying him holding a sword, his eyes covered by a black rectangle. Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet to prevent idolatry.
Angered by the drawings, masked Palestinian gunmen briefly took over a European Union office in Gaza on Monday. Syria called for the offenders to be punished. Danish goods were swept from shelves in many countries, and Saudi Arabia and Libya recalled their ambassadors to Denmark.
The Jyllands-Posten - which received a bomb threat over the drawings - has apologized for hurting Muslims' feelings but not for publishing the cartoons. Its editor said Wednesday, however, that he would not have printed the drawings had he foreseen the consequences.
Carsten Juste also said the international furor amounted to a victory for opponents of free expression.
"Those who have won are dictatorships in the Middle East, in Saudi Arabia, where they cut criminals' hands and give women no rights," Juste told The Associated Press. "The dark dictatorships have won."
Demonstrations and condemnations across the Muslim world continued.
The Supreme Council of Moroccan religious leaders denounced the drawings on Wednesday.
"Muslim beliefs cannot tolerate such an attack, however small it may be," the statement said.
In Turkey, dozens of protesters from a small Islamic party staged a demonstration in front of the Danish Embassy. About 200 riot police watched the crowd from the Felicity Party, which laid a black wreath and a book about Muhammad's life at the gates of the embassy building.
Despite the show of solidarity among Europe's newspaper editors, not all Europeans appreciated the drawings.
Norway's deputy state secretary for foreign affairs, Raymond Johansen, said they encourage distrust between people of different faiths.
"I can understand that Muslims find the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in the Norwegian weekly ... to be offensive. This is unfortunate and regrettable," Johansen said on a visit to Beirut.
There was also anger in France, which has Western Europe's largest Muslim community with an estimated 5 million people.
Mohammed Bechari, president of the National Federation of the Muslims of France, said his group would start legal proceedings against France Soir because of "these pictures that have disturbed us, and that are still hurting the feelings of 1.2 billion Muslims."
French government spokesman Jean-Francois Cope struck a neutral tone, saying France is "a country that is attached to the principle of secularism, and this freedom clearly should be exercised in a spirit of tolerance and respect for the beliefs of everyone."
France Soir, which is owned by an Egyptian magnate, has been struggling to stay afloat and bring in readers in recent years.
French theologian Sohaib Bencheikh spoke out against the pictures in a column in France Soir accompanying them Wednesday.
"One must find the borders between freedom of expression and freedom to protect the sacred," he wrote. "Unfortunately, the West has lost its sense of the sacred."
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Associated Press reporter Jan M. Olsen contributed to this report from Copenhagen, Denmark.
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fortdixlover
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Newspapers republish Muhammad caricatures |
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| SBD wrote: | | What a suprise this story turns out to be. The fact that Seattle published it and France and Germany republished the Muhammad cartoon is amazing. |
These Islamist fanatics have one hell of a dose of chutzpah. True sign of whiners: they can't take even a fraction of what they dole out.
The anti semitic filth cartoons that come forth from their newspapers, for example... what's that, oatmeal?
Just a few DISGUSTING examples from this story which came up on this google search.
-- FDL
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Newspapers republish Muhammad caricatures |
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| fortdixlover wrote: | | SBD wrote: | | What a suprise this story turns out to be. The fact that Seattle published it and France and Germany republished the Muhammad cartoon is amazing. |
These Islamist fanatics have one hell of a dose of chutzpah. True sign of whiners: they can't take even a fraction of what they dole out.
The anti semitic filth cartoons that come forth from their newspapers, for example... what's that, oatmeal?
Just a few DISGUSTING examples from this story which came up on this google search.
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Images not showing up FDL :/ |
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Uisguex Jack
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Here the images are and a link to a good blog about it:
http://democracyfrontline.org/blog/?p=133
I certainly see the point of view of Islam..... these cartoons are certain justification for radomly killing Danes, Swedes and the like..... For sure!
I went to the link FDL provided and instead of the images there is a message in Deutsch which translated says something like this: " | Quote: | | it seems that tonight all data at the server were deleted "haGalil". we are to be clarified thereby the causes.' |
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I B Squidly
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Even Bill Clinton has gotten into the act, decrying “these totally outrageous cartoons against Islam” and huffing self-righteously.
The fact that Bill Clinton is the only American politician who has taken notice of this ongoing controversy, and that on the wrong side, is a travesty.
lifted from:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21127
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Uisguex Jack
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| The thing I'm going to look for is a compiation of every questionable and offensive bit of art produced, or exhibited at the taxpayers expense via the National Endowment of the arts..... during the Clinton Admin. As I recall there was quite a bit over those eight years. |
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SBD
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Here's the one I remember
| Quote: | AT THE CENTER OF THE CONTROVERSY
is The Holy Virgin Mary, a 1996 collage by Chris Ofili, an award-winning British artist, which incorporates elephant feces.
AGAINST "The idea of having so-called works of art in which people are throwing elephant dung at a picture of the Virgin Mary is sick," says New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
Several weeks ago, New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that the city would cut its funding to the Brooklyn Art Museum unless the museum canceled an upcoming exhibition. Titled Sensation, the show included installations containing animals in formaldehyde and sculptures of people with genitalia replacing their faces. The mayor was particularly offended by The Holy Virgin Mary, a 1996 collage by Chris Ofili, an award-winning British artist, which incorporates elephant feces. The CSJ asked Professor of Art Michael Davis, who is teaching a seminar this semester titled The Many Faces of Mary: Representing the Virgin, to put Ofili's piece in context and to comment on the controversy. His comments follow.
Chris Ofili's collage is "shocking," in that it is deliberately provocative and intends to jolt viewers into an expanded frame of reference, and perhaps even toward illumination. In this sense, it relates to the medieval aesthetic of ugliness in which visual dissonance and distortion were used in art to urge the viewer to move beyond the superficial material plane to a higher level of spiritual contemplation. The mayor's reactions appear to be based on the narrow definition that art should only be beautiful and an equally narrow picture of a Virgin Mary who looks like Ingrid Bergman. |
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I B Squidly
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Don't forget the Piss-Christ or the Walk on the US Flag display. Funny, I don't remember any artists murdered or museums bombed but we're just not broadminded enough to accomodate murderous, Islamic psychotics.
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Uisguex Jack
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One of the more ammusing ironies about these nice Muslims is thier stead fast honesty....... The saga continues: http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3533280/
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Imams accused of doublespeak
By The Copenhagen Post
Danish imams are blamed for fanning the flames of the on-going conflict over Mohammed caricatures by saying one thing in Danish and something else in Arabic
PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen lashed out at extremist Muslim leaders in Denmark on Thursday for speaking with two tongues in the on-going row between the country and the Muslim world.
Rasmussen said imams' positive comments in Danish about the recent days' thaw in the dispute over newspaper Jyllands-Posten's publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet Mohammed had been undermined by statements made in Arabic to the media from Muslim countries.
'We have clearly noted that in certain situations, some people are speaking with two tongues,' Rasmussen said after meeting the parliament's foreign policy committee. 'The government watches what news and information is circulated in Arabic countries very closely so we can catch false stories and correct them immediately.'
Rasmussen was referring specifically to an incident in which controversial imam Abu Laban said to television station al-Jazeera that he was happy about the Muslim boycott. Later in the day, Laban said to Danish television station TV2 that he would urge Muslims to stop the boycott immediately.
'If Muslim countries decide to boycott, and if Muslims feel that it is their obligation to defend the prophet, then that is something we can be happy about,' Laban said to al-Jazeera.
Other leading imams have also been accused of misleading Muslims outside of Denmark about the situation.
Earlier this week, imam Abu Bashir appeared on BBC World showing a caricature of Mohammed with a pig's snout and ears to representatives of the Arabic League. Bashir falsely claimed that the caricature was one of the 12 Jyllands-Posten drawings.
Neither Laban nor Bashir were available for comment. |
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I like this one..
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SBD
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From the Counter Terrorism Blog
http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/
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Fabricated cartoons worsened Danish controversy
The controversy over the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed is expanding, as more Muslims join the boycott and protests against Denmark and various European newspapers decide to publish the cartoons, mostly out of solidarity with Jyllands Posten and to make a strong political stand. One issue that puzzles many Danes is the timing of this outburst. The cartoons were published in September: Why have the protests erupted from Muslims worldwide only now? The person who knows the answer to this question is Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, a man that the Washington Post has recently profiled as “one of Denmark's most prominent imams.”
Last November, Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. "We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide," said Abu Laban.
On its face, it would appear as if nothing were wrong. However, the Danish Muslim delegation showed much more than the 12 cartoons published by Jyllands Posten. In the booklet it presented during its tour of the Middle East, the delegation included other cartoons of Mohammed that were highly offensive, including one where the Prophet has a pig face. But these additional pictures were NOT published by the newspaper, but were completely fabricated by the delegation and inserted in the booklet (which has been obtained and made available to me by Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet). The delegation has claimed that the differentiation was made to their interlocutors, even though the claim has not been independently verified. In any case, the action was a deliberate malicious and irresponsible deed carried out by a notorious Islamist who in another situation had said that “mockery against Mohamed deserves death penalty.” And in a quintessential exercise in taqiya, Abu Laban has praised the boycott of Danish goods on al Jazeera, while condemning it on Danish TV.
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“The War is On”
From the desk of Hjörtur Gudmundsson on Fri, 2006-02-03 01:54
Mullah KrekarYesterday (Thursday) Mullah Krekar, the alleged leader of the Islamist group Ansar al-Islam who has been living in Norway as a refugee since 1991, said that the publication of the Muhammad cartoons was a declaration of war. “The war has begun,” he told Norwegian journalists. Mr Krekar said Muslims in Norway are preparing to fight. “It does not matter if the governments of Norway and Denmark apologize, the war is on.”
Islamist organizations all over the world are issuing threats towards Europeans. The Islamist terrorist group Hizbollah announced that it is preparing suicide attacks in Denmark and Norway. A senior imam in Kuwait, Nazem al-Masbah, said that those who have published cartoons of Muhammad should be murdered. He also threatened all citizens of the countries where the twelve Danish cartoons [see them all here, halfway down the page] have been published with death.
It is important, however, to stress again that there are Muslims of great courage. While it is risky to publish the Muhammad cartoons in Europe, it is even riskier to do so in the Middle East. Yet the Jordanian independent tabloid al-Shihan published three of the twelve Muhammad cartoons yesterday. The editor of al-Shihan, Jihad al-Momani, said he decided to publish the cartoons to show what the issue was all about. In an editorial under the headline “Muslims of the world, be reasonable” he pointed out that Jyllands-Posten had apologized for offending Muslims. He deplored that few in the Islamic world seem to be willing to listen to this. “What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?” the editor asked.
The spokesman of the Jordanian government, however, said that the editor had done a great mistake by publishing the cartoons and announced that the government is considering suing the newspaper. Before the day was over the paper’s owners had sacked Mr Momani.
Peter Mandelson, the EU Trade Commissioner, has criticized those papers which publish or republish Muhammad cartoons. According to Mr Mandelson they are „throwing petrol onto the flames of the original issue and the original offence that was taken.” The Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak warned that the decision by newspapers to republish the cartoons could encourage terrorists. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said he is worried about the cartoon issue. His spokesman said that Mr Annan believes freedom of expression should always be used with respect for religion.
This is not, however, the opinion of the French interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy. He said that the reactions of extremist Muslims towards the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which published the original cartoons, and towards Denmark are shocking. Mr Sarkozy praised the Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen for his determination and defense of freedom of expression. “Freedom of expression is not an issue for negotiation and I see no reason to give one religion a special treatment,” Mr Sarkozy said.
Meanwhile the Muhammad cartoons have been published in a number of newspapers in various European countries. The BBC broadcast them in the news so that its audience would understand what the fuss is all about. The French newspaper Le Monde published its own cartoon of Muhammad [see it here] on yesterday’s front page. On Wednesday the editor of the French daily France Soir, Jacques Lefranc, was fired because he had republished the Muhammad cartoons. Journalists at France Soir defended Mr Lefranc’s decision yesterday by publishing a front page and an editorial defending freedom of speech. In Tunesia and Morocco, however, the sale of France Soir has been prohibited.
Yesterday morning armed Palestinians again surrounded the offices of the European Union in Gaza City, demanding its closure and an apology for the cartoons within 24 hours. They threatened attacks on all Danes, Norwegians and Frenchmen in Palestine. “We suggest that all offices and embassies of the three countries will be closed, otherwise we will not hesitate to eliminate them,” their statement said. Norway at once closed its consulate on the West Bank for the public, but has not yet decided to withdraw its staff. On Thursday evening Palestinian gunmen also entered a number of hotels to threaten foreigners. Many Europeans are leaving Palestine before the Cartoon War really starts. |
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I was heartened by all the European editors who staked their lives and careers to reprint these cartoons in solidarity with the Danes. Freedom of speech is a basic tenet of Western Civilization. Notice our own illustrious MSM won't show what all the tempest in teapot is about.
Not so with the US State Department. NEA depictions of Christian icons in urine and feces are ok. Arab rejoicing at 9/11...fine. Daily depictions of Jewish blood sacrifices....hmmm we can live with that. US the Great Satan, bomb our embassies, take a number we deserve it boys. Today, the State Department in the person of Justin Higgins throws the 1st Amendment under the bus. Whether from PC run amok or pragmatic weaseldom he wins the Neville Chamberlain award (Sorry, Hacha. We don't want to offend Herr Hitler.). He decries the Danes for want of tolerance in deference to the raging jihadists who have none.
Where's Condi? This is her department. Where's W she works for him. Is some western politico going to express the obvious? These bombing, murdering, kidnapping thugs are a throwback to an ignorant era. They are a stench in the nostrils of the family of man. [Comment deleted by Admin Lew: Forum decorum]
Ohhh....like they'll target us some more?
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I don't know what to say . You have said it all. I am going to be sooo angry if we wimp on this one. DENMARK is going to do better than the U.S.
A. ? God bless them, but geez, where IS Condi? That State Department nauseating bile was very hard to take.
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