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P. Aaron
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The article is simply an indicator that Democrats are still stuck (on stupid) in the past.
The article also stated that the Swiftees raised and spent some 30 Million bucks on their campaign?
Even if that figure is anywhere near true, the Times never mentions in critical terms the Million$ that MoveOn. org and Soros spent trying to tar President Bush.
Just a bunch of bitter, lying, defeated cretins.
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Anker-Klanker
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Dare I say it? Once again, we're reminded that the only thing consistent about sKerry is his inconsistency.
There's an intriguing strategy question that is being forced upon us. Does the SBVFT group start now (or soon) to get out in front of the sKerry wagon, and defend SBVFT accusations, simultaneously shooting down the new revisionism? Or is it better to wait and hope that sKerry will self-destruct this time in the minds of the voters without any help or push on our part? Or do we wait until after the primaries to see if he survives that cut? |
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rbshirley
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| LewWaters wrote: | Terry, you're not keeping up. In this latest version of the Cambodia trip that is
"seared, seared" into his memory, it is now a team of Navy Seals he delivered
to Cambodia:
John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12:
0800 run to Cambodia."
He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam;
the harbor;the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the
special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the
men reading maps and setting off flares. "They gave me a hat," Mr.
Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it
from his briefcase. "I have the hat." |
The blogosphere (a term I dislike) is awash with reasons why this latest
attempt by Kerry is just another manifestation of his psychological problems.
Are all past Democratic presidential failurEEs obsessed with the same form
of Inconsequential Truth? It would certainly seem so. Place both of these
non-newsworthy media beating dead horse stories in the same SO WHAT file.
As regards to to this latest revelation concerning Christmas in Cambodia and
the magic hat (CIA before it was SEAL before it was ?) Confederate Yankee
has this to say about that:
| Quote: | He may have the hat, but what he needed was a map. John Kerry never
took his swift boat from Ha Tien, Vietnam up the Giang Thanh River into
Cambodia, and if he insists that he did, he is either delusional, or guilty
of telling a lie. |
....... Using this image from my web page about Swift Ops at Ha Tien
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As the narrative on my site states: "A frequent task was to debark Army
and other units to sweep the Vietnamese side of the river bank for signs
of infiltration from Cambodia"
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Also, the February 12, 1969 spot report referenced by Kerry was given
plenty of visibility by the SBVFT (SVPFT) during the campaign (18 months
ago?) and shown to be just back and fill exaggeration measures by the
Kerry campaign and Douglas Brinkley in an attempt to cover up a telling
flaw in the candidate. See the Swift Boat Vets Archive files on this site
Again, all this goes into the SO WHAT file, as does Kerry's political career.
JMHO .... BS
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NortonPete
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Anker-Klanker wrote: | Dare I say it? Once again, we're reminded that the only thing consistent about sKerry is his inconsistency.
There's an intriguing strategy question that is being forced upon us. Does the SBVFT group start now (or soon) to get out in front of the sKerry wagon, and defend SBVFT accusations, simultaneously shooting down the new revisionism? ... |
The NYTimes piece was fluff, not one new fact.
This was the only important item:
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Mr. O'Neill said he "would be thrilled to look at anything he wants to send." Still, he added, "I'm sorry he never apologized for his 1971 speech," referring to Mr. Kerry's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in which he told other soldiers' accounts of ravaging Vietnamese villages and citizens.
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The Truth lasts an eternity, lies need to be constantly revised and retold.
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republicanveteran
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Is it possible that this collossal idiot has lied so much that now he believes his own lies?
The whole latest article is nothing but lies!!!  |
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fortdixlover
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| republicanveteran wrote: | | Is it possible that this collossal idiot has lied so much that now he believes his own lies? |
Yes. And that is the danger when dealing with narcissists in positions of power. They can get really nasty, especially after once being ego-bruised.
This 'wounded animal', already known for blatantly dishonest theatrics in front of Congress and media (US military as little Genghis Khans, Christmas in Cambodia) could worsen.
A concern of mine is that he and his people might resort to, well, "gangster" tactics against the Swiftvets in round 2, if there is a round 2.
Has anyone thought of making contacts with the groups representing soldiers back from Iraq? I believe those soldiers in large part are more ideologically capable and aware of the smears of the left, thanks to alternate media, than the Vietnam vets ever were or could be.
If the Kerry camp starts to pull illegal or unethical stunts against the Swiftvets, the returning folks might be a way to spread the word - since the MSM will cover for them.
Sometimes I think it will take physical pamphleteering on every major intersection of every major city to bring the MSM back to serving this country - instead of trying to change it into their postmodern amoral socialist utopia.
-- FDL
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NortonPete
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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This 'wounded animal', already known for blatantly dishonest theatrics in front of Congress and media (US military as little Genghis Khans, Christmas in Cambodia) could worsen.
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Agreed. Wounded animals need space.
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Has anyone thought of making contacts with the groups representing soldiers back from Iraq? I believe those soldiers in large part are more ideologically capable and aware of the smears of the left, thanks to alternate media, than the Vietnam vets ever were or could be.
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Disagree. Wounded animals should not be allowed to infect others.
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Sometimes I think it will take physical pamphleteering on every major intersection of every major city to bring the MSM back to serving this country - instead of trying to change it into their postmodern amoral socialist utopia.
-- FDL |
Disagree. ( Sorry about that  ) MSM will never be in touch with reality.
They are doomed and will continue to slide into oblivion.
MY TAKE:
Let this go for a bit.
To John Kerry I say : "Me thinks thou protest too much"
Let him twist in the wind.... |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Place both of these non-newsworthy media beating dead horse stories in the same SO WHAT file. |
An appropriate Quotable Quote I remember from a recent Readers Digest concerning this and for the left, "the only thing worse than beating a dead horse is betting on one." |
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Wing Wiper
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My opinion on this is to maintain silence and gather our forces on the chance Kerry is again the Democratic candidate. If at all possible, let him appear as a threat to Hillary, because she'll put a smear campaign against him that will be quite a bit more effective than anything we could muster without MAJOR money. If he survives that and becomes the candidate (not likely), we'll need to go after him again.
But UNTIL he's the candidate, let's not show our hand or spend our limited resources. A statement "the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth stand behind all of the statements we have made regarding John Kerry" should be sufficient, I would think.
He's not going to have Bill Clinton in his corner this time, folks, and that's a big handicap to a lot of Dems.
I hope the Swiftboat Vets don't have to go through another fight against Hanoi John, but if they do, I'm behind you 100% again. |
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Tall Texan
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: SLt. Kerry and his "ways". |
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So, if Lt. Kerry has people watching,,, watch his lies ,
and if you have the time, truth is about also.
ps
were is navy chiefas he is the one who did most of the look up on Lt. Kerry's records at Texas Tech , and other places.
He only went away when it touched on the "strange discharge" the Republicns may have had a hand on by the possible Warner signature, so it could be Lt. Kerry is out and about to hurt some of those who helped find the truth and or those who aided and abeted him prior like Warner
if he did sign the discharge or xPres. Carter for not covering the discharge up good enough.
he is crazy after all
"my dog VC" comes to mind
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scotty61
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| LewWaters wrote: | | Quote: | | Place both of these non-newsworthy media beating dead horse stories in the same SO WHAT file. |
An appropriate Quotable Quote I remember from a recent Readers Digest concerning this and for the left, "the only thing worse than beating a dead horse is betting on one." |
Actually, I think that this falls under the catatgory of beating a dead horse, burying it, digging it up and beating it some more.
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kate
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Isn't it well known that Kerry went and staged videos |
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| NortonPete wrote: | I read numerous times that Kerry had a habit of staging his videos and photographs after the fact. Even to the point of firing live ammo while shooting film.
From the NYTimes article.
>>Mr. Kerry's supporters have also frozen frames from his amateur films of his time in Vietnam
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This would be hilarious if not so sad, his amateur films are being used as his evidence?. Would those be from actual action shots, or the staged re-creation shots??
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| Quote: | Boston Globe October 6, 1996
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pointing to where he brought the boat ashore, and explaining how he returned later with a Super 8 millimeter hand-held movie camera to record highlights of the mission. "That's me right there. One of my crew was filming all this."
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so focused on his future ambitions that he would reenact the moment for film. Kerry says he shot his war footage on a Super 8 camera he bought at the PX in Cam Ranh Bay. Asked how he filmed in the heat of battle, he demonstrated, gripping an imaginary ship's helm and thrusting his camera hand out to the side. "I'd steer, or direct, or fire my gun, and hold onto it when I could," Kerry says. "Sometimes the other guys would pick it up."
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What an image, firing a gun with one hand, a camera in the other 
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Tanya
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Kerry ready to fight over war record
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"Swift boat message boards and anti-Kerry Web sites are still filled with accusations that Kerry faked the military reports that led to his military decorations. Kerry failed to respond to the charges during his 2004 presidential campaign."
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060528-094444-5151r |
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Frogg
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Sweetness & Light Blog has a long analysis also. Here's an excerpt:
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excerpt:
The Times shows a photo which they purport to be the boy, which they crow proves that the boy was not in a loincloth but in a shirt and shorts. (Very important point there, NYT!)
And because the VC is lying face up in the photo (which, however, is very hard to tell), The Times claims the boy was shot "while approaching." Meaning Kerry could not have shot him in the back.
Unfortunately for Kerry and his lickspittles at The Times this does not comport with accounts from Kerry’s own allies, such as Fred Short. Nor does it match the official after action report:
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AND MOVED IMMEDIATELY TO ASSIST. PCF 94 BEACHED IN CENTER OF AMBUSH IN FRONT OF SMALL PATH WHEN VC SPRUNG UP FROM BUNKER 10 FEET FROM UNIT. MAN RAN WITH WEAPON TOWARDS HOOTCH, FORWARD M-60 GUNNER WOUNDED MAN IN LEG. OINC JUMPED ASHORE AND GAVE PURSUIT WHILE OTHER UNITS SATURATED AREA WITH FIRE AND BEACHED PLACING ASSAULT PARTIES ASHORE. OINC OF PCF 94 CHASED VC INLAND BEHIND HOOTCH AND SHOT HIM WHILE HE FLED CAPTURING ONE B-40 ROCKET LAUNCHER WITH ROUND IN CHAMBER. OINC’S OF PCF’S 43 AND 23 LED ASSAULT PARTIES THROUGH BRUSH AND JOINED WITH PCF 94 GROUP. PARTIES FR[O]M 3 ACF’S [PRO]CEEDED TO SWEEP AREA AND [ILLEGIBLE] |
The rest of Kerry’s new "proofs" are similarly dishonest or irrelevant.
This is the best he and his "researcher" could come up with after all this time?
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/times-says-kerry-can-now-prove-his-vietnam-stories/
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This post does bring up a good question.....
"this is the best he and his researcher could come up with after all this time?"
I think all Kerry is gonna do by stirring this up again is simply raise more questions. Who needs that? |
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brityank
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| becca1223 wrote: | Captain's Quarters...
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Had Kerry developed a coherent message on policy and left Viet Nam in the past where it belonged, he would never have had to deal with the Swift Boat vets at all. They only organized because Kerry stupidly put their photos on his campaign material and implied that these veterans supported him. When they angrily demanded a retraction, the Kerry campaign refused -- and they set about telling their stories instead.
con't here: Captain's Quarters |
Checkbook in hand...READY, WILLING and ABLE! |
Thank God for stupidity and ego -- Kerry has both in spades.
God bless our troops -- past, present, and future.
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