SwiftVets.com

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[askmrbill]

Grampa,

[b]edited by Moderator

This is about if John F. Kerry is or isn't qualified to be the next President and CIC of the United States of America! Keep to the topic![/b]

Moderator.

This topic is General Franks on Kerry" and my comments were in response to Grampa's comments, which had nothing to do with Kerry being qualified to be President.

I've removed my posting since you completely changed the context of my "fair and balanced" message. So much for free speech.

USAF-(E5)
1968-1972

[LewWaters]

MrBill, I take exception to your final paragraph. Under the current adminstration, spending for veterans has increased more than during the entire previous adminstration, in much less time.

If you are really worried about tomorrows veterans, the ones fighting right now, look at who voted time after time to deny them the weaponry they need to win the fight and also who voted for the 87 billion dollars to support them, before he voted against it.

Then ask yourself, why was it that a previous candidate from the exact same party did his level best to block absentee military ballots at a time he was calling for it to be essential that ALL votes be counted.

To me, the answer is obvious, you form your own conclusions.
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[KeithNolan]

Well, of course, General Franks is probably going to vote for Bush. As a career military officer, I can only assume that Franks is relatively conservative. I assume he's a Republican.

The point was that General Franks very decidedly would not condemn Kerry for Kerry's having spoken out about war crimes in Vietnam.

Incidentally, General Franks gave an interview in this week's issue of TIME Magazine in which he made reference to Kerry having a "good military record."

Let's boil it down: General Franks thinks that Kerry served honorably in the military, and generally agrees with Kerry that war crimes were a problem in Vietnam.

That Franks ain't gonna vote for a Massachusetts liberal is really beside the point.

Thanks,
KWN

[LewWaters]

Keith, that Gen. Franks won't outright condemn Kerry's actions is his business. He has his reasons why and we can respect that.

Just being a career military Officer does not automatically make one a Republican or Conservative, look at Wesley Clark, for that.

Still, smaller comments were made indicating lack of leadership, including Kerry's name. To the discerning mind, that says a lot, whether he outright condemns earlier actions or not.
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[Scott]

[KeithNolan]

Scott, I think you're splitting hairs. Why would General Franks---a personal friend of the Bushes---go out of his way to praise Kerry for having an "outstanding" military record.

I'm just amazed that Franks has anything good at all to say about Kerry's military service, and that he pointedly refused to condemn Kerry and the VVAW for bringing up the issue of war crimes in 1971.

Oh, as long as we're discussing general officers and the VVAW, it's worth noting that General David M. Shoup, USMC (Ret), who earned the Medal of Honor in WWII, offered his public support of Kerry and the VVAW. Incidentally, Shoup offered this public support AFTER the Winter Soldier investigation in Detroit which was supposedly a forum packed with phonies telling lies.

It appears that General Shoup saw the members of the VVAW for what they were: genuine combat veterans who had turned against a screwed-up, mismanaged war that was getting a lot of people killed to no good end.

I'm amazed that these issues seem so black-and-white to you guys.

Talk to ya later,
KWN

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[loosecannon]

I too find it hard to believe that any vet would dismiss the claims of 250 men as lies and accept the word of less than a dozen, both, who were actually there (isn't that the litmus test according to the DNC?)
I am not talking about the liberal or the liberal leaders actually giving John Kerry his walking papers, but certainly there are provable fact on which we can determine if he lied or not. For instance the "Christmas Day incident" Or perhaps the "secret convoy" into Cambodia" He couldn't have gone alone....Has anyone sworn to those facts?
I am asking for an investigation.... I would like to see if 250 men are lying or are the half dozen crewmembers? In fact are there sworn statements from Kerrys crew?
It appears the newspapers are buring the story... The White House can not get into it because GW has chosen the high road and will not comment on Kerrys questionable service. Why not a lawsuit for the slander of these fine men by any number of people? How about a national letter of protest.

What is the scuttlebutt on why Kerry went back to the US? I had assumed it was the three and out ploy. but keep hearing he was "sent" home.

[KeithNolan]

TO NAVY-NAVY-NAVY: You truly believe the Vietnam War was a black-and-white issue? You truly believe that the subject of war crimes in Vietnam was equally black-and-white?

I'm listening. Please tell me why General Shoup was wrong to support John Kerry and the VVAW. Please give me your take on General Westmoreland's search-and-destroy strategy in Vietnam. Please give me your take on Cam Ne, My Lai, My Khe, Son Thang, Task Force Barker, the Tiger Force, etc., etc., etc.

I'm not being rude here or trying to pick a fight. I honestly would like to know how you can study something like the Vietnam War (which strikes me as a horrible tragedy, the tactics and conduct of which bitterly divided many good men) and come to the conclusion that the issues involved were black and white.

I know you don't like John Kerry's politics, and you think his war record a bunch of exaggerated nonsense---but to attack Kerry, this site also has to attack the VVAW and everyone else who opposed the Vietnam War. I keep hearing that the VVAW was stuffed full of phonies who spouted lies. Who were the phonies? What were they lying about? What war crimes did the VVAW describe that have not shown up in the court-martial record of the war or in memoirs written by Vietnam veterans like Phil Caputo and W.D. Ehrhart?

Again, these are honest questions that go the heart of the SBVFT philosophy, and I await an honest reply.

KWN

[Theresa Alwood]

Actually Mr. Nolan...I did listen to Sean Hannity with General Tommy Franks and General Franks said he is not a republican...He is not a demoncrat...he is a independent! So you were wrong in the regard to General Franks...would not commit either way until Sean Hannity pressed him on the issue before he said he was "leaning toward President Bush".
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[low26]

Yes ,If they look in Syria they will find Iraq's WMD along with many Bathe regime officials and scientists.But since the United Ninnies (U.N.)made Syria a member of the security council you will never find out until it is to late.

[You GottaBeKidding]

Keith,

This site exists because John Kerry is running for president. It's not about any of the other red herrings you keep bringing up.

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