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Me#1You#10 Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: Gore: Bush...paying scientists to dispute GW |
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Our seditionist d u jour, the bulbous St. Al Gore, tosses the BDS gauntlet in Spain...at least CNN was circumspect enough to post it in their "Politics" department...
Quote: | Tuesday, February 06, 2007
Gore says Bush administration paying scientists to dispute global warming
MADRID , SPAIN (CNN) -- Former Vice President Al Gore said in an interview on Tuesday the Bush administration is now paying scientists to dispute global warming since the administration can no longer argue against it.
During an interview with CNN affiliate Cuatro in Madrid, Gore said, "they've lost the argument and they don't want to stop dumping all this pollution into the Earth's atmosphere. The only thing they have left is cash and now they're offering cash for so-called skeptics who will try to confuse people about what the science really say. But it's unethical because now the time has come when we have to act."
Gore was the Democratic nominee against Bush in the 2004 presidential election. His film, An Inconvenient Truth, is up for the best documentary Oscar.
-- CNN's Al Goodman
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BuffaloJack Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1637 Location: Buffalo, New York
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Just how stupid does Gore think people are? As stupid as him? _________________ Swift Boats - Qui Nhon (12/69-4/70), Cat Lo (4/70-5/70), Vung Tau (5/70-12/71) |
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tony54 PO2
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 369 Location: cleveland, ohio
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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There is much more to the "global warming" theory than meets the eye.
Follow the money, they are creating a problem, when we are all convinced there is a problem they will tell us the solution.
The solution will cost us $$$$gazillions, for something that can't be proven?
And just like the UN, we will foot 95% of the bill, me and you.
These are the same people that were warning us of the upcoming ice age in the eighties, they lost that argument big time, so now what?
If the lie is repeated enough, more and more people will buy into it.
The media is all for it, giving it more airtime than the war on terror.
What's that tell you? |
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Me#1You#10 Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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tony54 wrote: | If the lie is repeated enough, more and more people will buy into it.
The media is all for it, giving it more airtime than the war on terror.
What's that tell you? |
It tells me that there's more than a little life left in the MSM/HollyCommie/Democrat ability to manipulate and exploit this issue (see Weather Channel). Better yet, don't see Weather Channel...and let them know it.
On a related note, Drudge is linking to 2 stories on almost identical imbroglios over "State Climatologist" global warming "dissident" positions ...
Can an skeptical "State Climatologist" or local Weatherman now qualify for federal protection under the "Endangered Species" act? |
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BuffaloJack Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Don't be fooled. The dirty little secret about global warming is this: It doesn't exist! We are just experiencing a natural long term global climate cycle (Ice Ages followed by Tropical Times).
The "Inconvenient Truth" to the hype is that socialists have siezed on the Global Warming Big Lie to push a socialist agenda. The Kyoto treaty would create a condition for the global redistribution of wealth. The socialists ultimate goal.
"Global Warming" is just a rallying point for the masses, the real socialists could care less about the climate. The other agenda: All naysayers need to be punished for bringing the truth to light.
"Global Warming" has become the religion of socialism, the Kyoto Treaty is its holy scripture and Al Gore is its Messiah. You either believe or are attacked as a heretic. _________________ Swift Boats - Qui Nhon (12/69-4/70), Cat Lo (4/70-5/70), Vung Tau (5/70-12/71) |
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tony54 PO2
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 369 Location: cleveland, ohio
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Gore says Bush administration paying scientists to dispute global warming
MADRID , SPAIN (CNN) -- Former Vice President Al Gore said in an interview on Tuesday the Bush administration is now paying scientists to dispute global warming since the administration can no longer argue against it. |
All scientists get paid, none work for free!
Some work for colleges, they get paid by the colleges.
Some work for private corporations, they get paid by the corporation.
Some work for our government, they get paid by the government. Right now that would be the Bush Administration right?
The real question for Gore is: Who is paying the 1600 "pro-global warming" scientists Al? And who is paying you?
Like I said before "follow the money!" |
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Bob51 Seaman
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 156 Location: Belfast
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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February 11, 2007
An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change
Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, says the orthodoxy must be challenged
When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works. We were treated to another dose of it recently when the experts of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued the Summary for Policymakers that puts the political spin on an unfinished scientific dossier on climate change due for publication in a few months’ time. They declared that most of the rise in temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to man-made greenhouse gases.
The small print explains “very likely” as meaning that the experts who made the judgment felt 90% sure about it. Older readers may recall a press conference at Harwell in 1958 when Sir John Cockcroft, Britain’s top nuclear physicist, said he was 90% certain that his lads had achieved controlled nuclear fusion. It turned out that he was wrong. More positively, a 10% uncertainty in any theory is a wide open breach for any latterday Galileo or Einstein to storm through with a better idea. That is how science really works.
Twenty years ago, climate research became politicised in favour of one particular hypothesis, which redefined the subject as the study of the effect of greenhouse gases. As a result, the rebellious spirits essential for innovative and trustworthy science are greeted with impediments to their research careers. And while the media usually find mavericks at least entertaining, in this case they often imagine that anyone who doubts the hypothesis of man-made global warming must be in the pay of the oil companies. As a result, some key discoveries in climate research go almost unreported.
Enthusiasm for the global-warming scare also ensures that heatwaves make headlines, while contrary symptoms, such as this winter’s billion-dollar loss of Californian crops to unusual frost, are relegated to the business pages. The early arrival of migrant birds in spring provides colourful evidence for a recent warming of the northern lands. But did anyone tell you that in east Antarctica the Adélie penguins and Cape petrels are turning up at their spring nesting sites around nine days later than they did 50 years ago? While sea-ice has diminished in the Arctic since 1978, it has grown by 8% in the Southern Ocean.
So one awkward question you can ask, when you’re forking out those extra taxes for climate change, is “Why is east Antarctica getting colder?” It makes no sense at all if carbon dioxide is driving global warming. While you’re at it, you might inquire whether Gordon Brown will give you a refund if it’s confirmed that global warming has stopped. The best measurements of global air temperatures come from American weather satellites, and they show wobbles but no overall change since 1999.
That levelling off is just what is expected by the chief rival hypothesis, which says that the sun drives climate changes more emphatically than greenhouse gases do. After becoming much more active during the 20th century, the sun now stands at a high but roughly level state of activity. Solar physicists warn of possible global cooling, should the sun revert to the lazier mood it was in during the Little Ice Age 300 years ago.
Climate history and related archeology give solid support to the solar hypothesis. The 20th-century episode, or Modern Warming, was just the latest in a long string of similar events produced by a hyperactive sun, of which the last was the Medieval Warming.
The Chinese population doubled then, while in Europe the Vikings and cathedral-builders prospered. Fascinating relics of earlier episodes come from the Swiss Alps, with the rediscovery in 2003 of a long-forgotten pass used intermittently whenever the world was warm.
What does the Intergovernmental Panel do with such emphatic evidence for an alternation of warm and cold periods, linked to solar activity and going on long before human industry was a possible factor? Less than nothing. The 2007 Summary for Policymakers boasts of cutting in half a very small contribution by the sun to climate change conceded in a 2001 report.
Disdain for the sun goes with a failure by the self-appointed greenhouse experts to keep up with inconvenient discoveries about how the solar variations control the climate. The sun’s brightness may change too little to account for the big swings in the climate. But more than 10 years have passed since Henrik Svensmark in Copenhagen first pointed out a much more powerful mechanism.
He saw from compilations of weather satellite data that cloudiness varies according to how many atomic particles are coming in from exploded stars. More cosmic rays, more clouds. The sun’s magnetic field bats away many of the cosmic rays, and its intensification during the 20th century meant fewer cosmic rays, fewer clouds, and a warmer world. On the other hand the Little Ice Age was chilly because the lazy sun let in more cosmic rays, leaving the world cloudier and gloomier.
The only trouble with Svensmark’s idea — apart from its being politically incorrect — was that meteorologists denied that cosmic rays could be involved in cloud formation. After long delays in scraping together the funds for an experiment, Svensmark and his small team at the Danish National Space Center hit the jackpot in the summer of 2005.
In a box of air in the basement, they were able to show that electrons set free by cosmic rays coming through the ceiling stitched together droplets of sulphuric acid and water. These are the building blocks for cloud condensation. But journal after journal declined to publish their report; the discovery finally appeared in the Proceedings of the Royal Society late last year.
Thanks to having written The Manic Sun, a book about Svensmark’s initial discovery published in 1997, I have been privileged to be on the inside track for reporting his struggles and successes since then. The outcome is a second book, The Chilling Stars, co-authored by the two of us and published next week by Icon books. We are not exaggerating, we believe, when we subtitle it “A new theory of climate change”.
Where does all that leave the impact of greenhouse gases? Their effects are likely to be a good deal less than advertised, but nobody can really say until the implications of the new theory of climate change are more fully worked out.
The reappraisal starts with Antarctica, where those contradictory temperature trends are directly predicted by Svensmark’s scenario, because the snow there is whiter than the cloud-tops. Meanwhile humility in face of Nature’s marvels seems more appropriate than arrogant assertions that we can forecast and even control a climate ruled by the sun and the stars.
The Chilling Stars is published by Icon. It is available for £9.89 including postage from The Sunday Times Books First on 0870 165 8585
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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whatever the 'fix' is Gore, Kerry etc will have stock in it... or a relative selling it or owning the company that fixes it. |
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BuffaloJack Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Stevie wrote: | whatever the 'fix' is Gore, Kerry etc will have stock in it... or a relative selling it or owning the company that fixes it. |
It's simpler than that. It's like when it's the summer and your kids complain that it's too hot. The fix is that you just need to wait until winter. Nature will take care of itself.
There is no fix for global warming. Nature will take care of things in the long run with long term global climate cycles. Since the socialists and liberals can't do anything to control it, they have transformed it into a religion, because they don't understand it. _________________ Swift Boats - Qui Nhon (12/69-4/70), Cat Lo (4/70-5/70), Vung Tau (5/70-12/71) |
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