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BuffaloJack · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject:

Nobody gets it. Absolutely no one outside of the swifties understands us.
The SVPT is ONLY about keeping Kerry from public office. Nothing else.
The swifties will NOT be coming after Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards or anyone else. Kerry was a swifty; he brought shame upon the swiftvets; and it was up to the swifties to see that he wasn't rewarded with POTUS for his conduct in the early 70s. SVPT won't even go after Murtha, he was a marine. He is the marines' problem not ours.

Individual swifties may have their own personal opinions and act upon them, but they do so as individuals and not in the name of or with the support of SVPT.

Swifties are not all Republican Conservativess. We represent a mix much like our nation, and there are swifties of every political party within our ranks.
The press and the politicians never got it, still don't understand us and probably will never get it.
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Deuce · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject:

buffalojack,

While I agree totally with your sentiment, I think that in your heart of hearts you know that even Carville 'gets it' as to the Mission Statement, etc of the Swifties. That they continue to spin it to their own agenda simply is the campaign platform for the left....lie, lie, then lie again. Unfortunately for the Democrat (ick) Party, the far left has infiltrated so successfully (ie, no need for Greens, Communists, Socialists anymore), the average Democrat is no longer heard. Lotsa Dems 'get it', and consider you Swifties as much heroes as the rest of us.

Oh, and if you caught R. Lee Ermey's "Mail Call" last nite he had a nice segment on the 'Swift Boat' at the tail end of the show...apparently topped out at about 200 PCF brown water boats in Vietnam's waters! Heroes then and Heroes now.

Perhaps we should just say 'thanks for noticing' and leave their fantasies to themselves when the far left doesn't 'get it' (what are the odds of educating someone that far gone?)

Deuce

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

I look at it differently. When I hear someone of the Carville persuasion utilize the term, it's further evidence of the ENORMOUS consequence and damage that the Swiftees and POWs inflicted upon the leftist agenda...and I revel in it. Kerry was their surrogate, and the SVPT tossed him and them out with yesterday's trash.

The SVPT message didn't resonate with America because it was false as the Carvilles of this world will tirelessly protest. It was the TRUTH, bellowed like a clarion call through the echo chamber of the new media...and it hurts them so bad they can taste it...and are still reeling from it.

In so many ways, SVPT has become symbolic to them of their lost ability to totally control and dominate the media message, and I'm convinced that history will and is unerringly putting the lie to the "swiftboat" pejorative.

"Dewey Canyon II", supported and trumpeted by an all-dominant and complicit media, was alone on the playing field of political theatre. There was no means by which a "Swift Vets and POWs for Truth" or a "Gathering of Eagles" could counter it.

It's a new day.

Schadow · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject:

RiflemanDD730 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

Me#1You#10
I look at it differently. When I hear someone of the Carville persuasion utilize the term, it's further evidence of the ENORMOUS consequence and damage that the Swiftees and POWs inflicted upon the leftist agenda...and I revel in it.

I agree. Obviously the lefties and MSM think the SBVT were successful because they lied and Kerry didn't respond fast enough(or respond at all in my opinion). But as time goes on I think that many outside the left will begin to ask why Kerry didn't respond. Then a more rational and unemotional discussion may take place and the SBVT positions will get more credibility among a larger group.

I was disappointed when the SBVT disbanded because I thought an active group defending their positions would be necessary. Your efforts in maintaining this site fulfill that role to a large degree and I commend you and the others working on this site for doing it.

mtboone · Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:47 am Post subject:

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

RiflemanDD730 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

mtboone
Rifleman, you would have to go back to 2004 to try and understand the reason for our objection and our purpose against Kerry. It was only for this POTUS election and nothing else. Assachuettes has to deal with him, not us. I know many of these members hounded by the press and received death threats as recently as three months ago. I am sorry you are "disappointed" when we stood down, but we achieved our objective. I suggest you join a group that wants to continue the action against Kerry and there are many. But do not disparge a group that gave so much and received so much hate, because they did not continue your cause in your name only.

I understand the position of the SBVT and I respect their decision to disband. To have believed in the SBVT cause and to have hoped that they continued to establish their truthful position should not be interpreted in any way as disparagement. In fact it is a statement of support. The cause that is mine is not "against Kerry" but it is to establish that the SBVT are not liars, which unfortunately, the MSM is hell bent on establishing as truth. I have in fact worked on that in my own way by researching the first Purple Heart through a number of FOIA requests. More work is needed and I'll do it as my own personal mission.

RiflemanDD730 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

Me#1You#10

RiflemanDD730 wrote:
...the lefties and MSM think the SBVT were successful because they lied...

May I respectfully disagree. They know all too well that SVPT was successful because they spoke the TRUTH, but acknowledging that was and still is politically undigestible. Hence the need for rhetorical gymnastics of Olympic proportion to explain away and bury Kerry's inability to personally defend his own record.

To have done so would have MANDATED a very public exploration of the issues by the major media, something neither the major media nor Kerry had an appetite for. The last thing he wants is a personal defense of his preposterous fraud...too many lies to juggle at once. Much better to shoot the messengers.

I stand corrected. The lefties and MSM do in fact know that the SBVT told the truth. And I agree that if Kerry had tried to defend his record it would have been more of a disaster for him. My concern is that the MSM propaganda against the SBVT has been too successful among the general public. The lefties don't care about the truth. Their objective is to influence the general public. I'm hopeful that in the future more exposure and discussion about Kerry's lack of defense of his record will highlight the truthfulness of the SBVT in the eyes of the general public.