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Schadow · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Guys, I heed help

I'm in a cyber-fight with a lib who states unequivocally that Kerry, some time ago, signed a Form 180 releasing his complete service records and cites a Boston Globe article from 2005.

It's been my understanding that Kerry's "releases" have never been for the complete file. Can someone verify which it is? Citations would be helpful. Thanks!

Schadow
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Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

Schadow, as I recall, John O'Neill himself was satisfied that Kerry's SF180, as filled out, gave the designees access to Kerry's complete records. However, competency to understand what they reveal and a willingness to reveal it are open questions. Hence, the overriding necessity that his records be open to PUBLIC scrutiny.

How many times during his campaign did Kerry state that his "complete" military file was already posted on his website? Now he claims that the limited release to 3 specific reporters who are known Kerry supporters (and NOT their respective news organizations by the way), is the more complete "complete" records? I mean the guy flat-out LIED about the completeness of his records over and over again. How do we KNOW that this release doesn't contain additional "smoking guns" other than taking the word of 3 Kerry toadys?

Schadow, you're debating with somone more than capable of moving the goalposts. For every Kerry lie exposed, his minions nuance it away or ignore it completely. Why bother?

...and I'll state this again for the umpteenth time in this forum. IMHO, Kerry attempted to BURY Page 1 of his Streuli fitness report and, like Hillary's Rose Law Firm records, it mysteriously re-appeared long after the heat was off. I'm convinced SOMETHING is on that Page 1 that Kerry doesn't want seen, and the reporters who have seen it are either too ignorant or too far in the tank to shed any light on that subject.

Schadow · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that. And, you're right of course that the goalposts get moved easily.

I seem to remember that there are levels of detail or completeness that a signer can specify when signing the 180. Is this true?
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Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

I believe you are refering to a "deleted" versus an "undeleted" authorization (as I recall, the SF180 has an explanation printed on the form itself). The difference escapes me right now (perhaps someone else knows), but I'm sure John O'Neill expressed satisfaction that the form, as signed, was the authorization SVPT was calling for, except that Kerry's was designee-specific as opposed to unrestricted public access.

Schadow · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:54 am Post subject:

Thanks to all who helped me out here. I was able to find images of the three SF 180s Kerry signed in 2005. These 180s were ordered sent to three individual reporters and not to their organizations. The three were sent to a Boston Globe reporter in Washington, DC; an Associated Press writer in Washington and an LA Times reporter at a Maryland address. The 180s specified "all records". They can be viewed (fuzzily) at this Power Line archive.

As to the issue of a less-than-honorable discharge, I wrote the following in my reply to the leftie I was dealing with: