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[BuffaloJack]

I wish he hadn't written any of this.
People tend to associate conspiracy theory stuff with nutbars.
Corsi and O'Neill did a marvelous job on "Unfit for Command". This can only detract from Unfit. With Kerry making overtures for a second attempt, I'd hate to think of the Kerry Camp using this info to advance their cause.
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[kate]

Have to agree Jack, it is very unfortunate

1) Corsi should actually print a correction regarding his comments about expanding Nafta to include Canada ( duh) That was either a horrible misspeak, or he is very uninformed.

2) This is not a secret plan of Bush's. Whether GWB has sympathies of opinion with the NWO stuff - who knows. But they are not a secret - they've been around for decades...hiding in plain sight.

Wonder if he stll has ideas of running for sKerry's Senate seat?
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[joe_madeup]

I'm afraid you're both right.

The Kerry supporters have adopted a unified tactic of simply screaming down O'Neill (or any Swift vet) as flagrant liars, right wing nut cases, etc. Did you see Bob Beckel on Hannity & Colmes a couple days ago? (Go to http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html - click on ":: Video" toward upper right corner - then "Mad About Murtha!" video clip - while it lasts.) O'Neill was great as usual, so, Beckel and Colmes simply drowned him out.

Beckel (or whoever) obviously won't persuade O'Neill or anyone who is informed about Kerry... but he is hoping to make O'Neill "look wrong" to the confused viewer / independent voter who isn't informed. He's hoping to make it seem inconceivable that anyone who criticizes the noble Kerry could be other than a liar or nutcase.

Now again, Corsi may have a point about some people trying to push a North American Union... but when Corsi doesn't do his homework and says plain crazy stuff, he plays into what the Kerry supporters are trying to do. Folks, it WILL be used against SVPfT.

I hope/pray someone is writing a 2nd edition of Unfit that will (a) answer the new details, "responses" or new memoirs that people unveiled when Unfit v1 came out, and (b) de-emphasize Corsi.

Because we basically know Kerry is running in '08.

[Anker-Klanker]

I'm probably going to get steamrolled over this posting, but here goes anyway...

Corsi has taken a position that I think is very regrettable to the Swiftees cause in maintaining credibilty for the coming second round candidacy of Kerry. But Corsi is merely echoing words that are coming out of a well-orchestrated group on the far right. If you really want to know where this is all coming from - including some of the information you see in this thread - you really need to do a Google search for the "John Birch Society," and settle down for some in-depth reading.

Many of you, probably like me, thought that the John Birch Society was pushed off into the fringe element of far-right, ultra-conservative, politics with the defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964. Well, they're b-a-c-k!

If you go to: http://www.jbs.org/ and scan down this front page you will recognize positions on the immigration issue, and you will also see an article titled "United States of North America":
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3746.shtml
which should look very familiar if you've read this thread.

I encourage anyone who is wondering what is going on to poke around on the JBS site and to look through some of the other links that Google will come up with when you do a search for the John Birch Society. I'll warn you that it is virtually impossible to find a "neutral" article dealing with the JBS - either the authors are for 'em, or they're a'gin 'em. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I've had great difficulty with finding anything (in fact, I haven't) that I can recognize as neutral and in the middle.

I'm not a Bircher, but I do tend to agree with many of their positions - as I think many self-described Conservatives will do. What turns me off on the Birchers is their fanatical obsession with conspiracy theories (you'll see plenty of evidence of this at their own site), and with their historical and continued to this day, opposition to "foreign entanglements." While I agree with some, and maybe a lot, of their theories on Communist/Socialst "conspiracy," I think they go way overboard in their obsessions, and you should know that they were discredited by William Buckley some years ago primarily because of their charge that Dwight D. Eisenhower was a Communist agent.

As for their opposition to "foreign entanglements," you should also know that they proudly proclaim on their site (it takes some looking to find it, though) that they marched in opposition to the Vietnam War. And they are reported (from other Google hits) to be very opposed to our presence in Iraq, and by extension, any intervention on our part into Iran.

And don't miss this link:
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/eddlem.php?articleid=8966

Supposedly, according to one Internet site critical of Birchers (but unsubstantiated with real evidence) Birchers have already instituted a petition to impeach George W. Bush. They have taken a hard opposition to the Patriot Act (documented on their site). They dislike, and label as counterfeit conservatives ("among others"): William Bennett, Rush Limbaugh, William Kristol, and George W. Bush.

So each of you will have to be your own judge. But I think you will see that much of the over-heated rhetoric we're seeing coming from the very far right (and which is gaining some traction in today's political dialogue) is coming straight from the resurrgent John Birch Society. In my opinion, it's good to be informed where such opinions are originating from.

[Me#1You#10]

AK, I, for one, thank you for that concise and well-written overview of the issue at hand. It was most educational...and thanks to all for their studied input on this subject.

[SBD]

[joe_madeup]

You're bending over backwards pretty hard there to make a terrible article sound reasonable, SBD.

[Deuce]

[Deuce]

Read in the open light of this week's immigration bill, whoever said 'hiding in plain view' was prescient. This link had some interesting insight, which I know, I for one misread completely. Also the SBD Freeper links are informative. Memorial Day is an ironic day to bring up the New World Order, but the Senate seems hell bent on going there! So be sure to download the PDF document itself...I didn't do that back in 2005 when it came out and now regret that omission!

Deuce

some more links here:
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2005/july05/psrjuly05.html

[DanVCC]

Careful with this one. The joining of the US, Canada and Mexico idea has been around a long time and was a concept pushed by the communist in the late 1940's, early 1950's.
I view the "information" as a possible trial balloon launched by the left to see the reaction. If it fles, then the push to rewrite the US Constitution (a living document, according to leftist) can begin. If the idea does not fly then there is another reason to hate Bush.

[joessoft]