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From "Powerline", another attempt to inject some rationality into the GW cult juggernaut...and another reason to take a look at Fred Thompson...
| Quote: | VOICES OF REASON ON CLIMATE CHANGE
Yesterday's National Post ran an open letter to the Secretary General of the United Nations by 99 scientists on the subject of climate change. The whole letter is worth reading; here are some excerpts:
The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.
The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by government representatives. The great majority of IPCC contributors and reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts. This is a key point. The IPCC Summaries are universally viewed as authoritative in the press, but they are political, not scientific, documents. More:
Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports:
* Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.
* The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.
* Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today's computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.
In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is "settled," significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/wg1_timetable_2006-08-14.pdf) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.
The letter's signatories include some of the world's most eminent scientists, like mathematician/physicist Freeman Dyson.
UPDATE: As I've said a number of times, I haven't been very impressed by Fred Thompson's candidacy. But if he is willing to be the only major GOP contender to blow the whistle on global warming hype--which I'm not sure he's actually done yet, notwithstanding his refusal to join in the groupthink in Iowa--it will be a huge point in his favor.
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Cato Institute Individual Liberty, Free Markets, and Peace vol 15, No. 2, Spring 1992
Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
Richard S. Lindzen
| Quote: | | Major agencies in the United States, hitherto closely involved with traditional approaches to national security, have appropriated the issue of climate change to support existing efforts. Notable among those agencies are NASA, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy. The cold war helped spawn a large body of policy experts and diplomats specializing in issues such as disarmament and alliance negotiations. In addition, since the Yom Kippur War, energy has become a major component of national security with the concomitant creation of a large cadre of energy experts. Many of those individuals see in the global change issue an area in which to continue applying their skills. Many scientists also feel that national security concerns formed the foundation for the U.S. government's generous support of science. As the urgency of national security, traditionally defined, diminishes, there is a common feeling that a substitute foundation must be established. "Saving the planet'' has the right sort of sound to it. Fundraising has become central to environmental advocates' activities, and the message underlying some of their fundraising seems to be "pay us or you'll fry.'' |
For those of you not familiar with Richard Lindzen, he is arguably the world's top climatologist. He is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology and views GW as politics and a serious threat to our nation.
I bought the URL earthunited.org tonight. 
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Me#1You#10,
You said that the article was "well worth reading", and you were right on the mark. For those of you who are are contemplating skipping it, it is only about 65 or 70 lines long, and the single most sensible argument against international Chicken Little-ism that I have seen on the subject ever.
I endorse this position; and Me#1You#10, thank you for posting this article.
If you'd like to see another similar article, actually it's a letter, by one of the IPCC scientists accusing the IPCC committee of fraud and exaggerating the numbers that this very scientist helped generate, then check out
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/current-affairs/41719-ipcc-fraud.html
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Only one thing disturbing that I find. We're increasingly using the acronym "GW" to indicate Global Warming. Where this trend started I don't know but I'm hoping everyone realizes it has NOTHING to do with our current president who's nickname for years has been GW to distinguish him from his father.
While probably not intentional (hmmm, maybe?), this association falls into line with current nutroot ideology of this administration being at fault for all the Global Warming and GW as the head of all that is evil.
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Don't fight, adapt
We should give up futile attempts to combat climate change
| Quote: | Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations
Dec. 13, 2007
His Excellency Ban Ki-Moon
Secretary-General, United Nations
New York, N.Y.
Dear Mr. Secretary-General,
Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction
It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation. |
[List of signatories]
The following are signatories to the Dec. 13th letter to the Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations on the UN Climate conference in Bali:
Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia
William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg
Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany
Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal
Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.
Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin
Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta
R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.
Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand
David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma
Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University
Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia
Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands
Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario
David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak,' Australia
William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame
Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia
R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa
Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany
Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay
Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden
Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project
Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut
Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia
Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona
Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA
Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis
Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia
Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia
Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia
David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand
Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007
William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands
Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands
The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.
Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand
William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.
Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors
Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia
Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia
Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany
John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand
Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.
Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph
John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia
Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand
Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University
Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University
Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway
Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia
Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden
Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia
David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa
James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University
Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia
Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia
R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University
Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota
Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia
Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan
Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences
Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force
R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology
Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.
Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA
S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service
L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario
Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC
Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia
Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia
Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany
Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia
Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia
A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy
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I note with pride and glee that 16 of those signatories are Aussies. That's a lot for a country of only 21m population. Well, I think so, anyway.
Has a much been made of the PNG 'representative" at the Bali conference "dressing down" the USA over there? He's quoted here ad nauseum as having said (near enough to) "If you're not going to lead then get out of the way".
What he actually said was "...leave it to the left... err... rest of us and get out of the way". Now, there's your classic Freudian slip.
Clip is available on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqbV0myiibQ
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| SandiM wrote: | I note with pride and glee that 16 of those signatories are Aussies. That's a lot for a country of only 21m population. Well, I think so, anyway.
Has a much been made of the PNG 'representative" at the Bali conference "dressing down" the USA over there? He's quoted here ad nauseum as having said (near enough to) "If you're not going to lead then get out of the way".
What he actually said was "...leave it to the left... err... rest of us and get out of the way". Now, there's your classic Freudian slip.
Clip is available on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqbV0myiibQ |
You should be proud, that is an impressive list of signatures. Richard Lindzen is tops from America and he is there. I am also not surprised to see so few Americans on the list. We really need to address this situation in our higher level school system. That list should be full of Americans.
There is a new economic cold war developing and those countries targeting the US seem to be absent from the list as well.
China? Russia? France with one? Japan? (very odd Japan is not represented)
You would think China would be against GW, yet they are for it for one reason. It will hurt America, as they plan never to implement anything recommended by others to curb GW. They will only go along with GW in order to hurt America.
Small bit of trivia: Russia did not possess a single toxic waste treatment facility until the mid 90's. It has been said by scientists if not for the sheer enormity of their land mass and the difficulty man has in damaging the planet, that Russia would be a post Soviet wasteland. If the Soviets were unable to lay waste to their environment, surely America with sound environmental concern and care will never lay waste to it.
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Here you go, GenrXr http://www.oism.org/pproject/
This site is called the Petition Project against global warming - or as my friends here in Aus prefer to call it, gerbil worming. Some prefer Gorebal warning.
You will , I hope, be thrilled to see that the Petition Project holds 19,000 signatures of American scientists. Have fun.
It's not just China doing it's best to crush the American economy. It's the UN championing its best chance yet of "redistributing" the wealth of democratic countries to undemocratic countries that never have and never will make their own way and waste the billions we give them in aid every year, achieving nothing.
The left media and academia have swallowed this whole global warming/climate change nonsense whole because it suits their agenda, too. They have not yet learned to be careful what they wish for. Feeding the alligator will not stop it from eating them regardless, first chance it gets.
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nice to see they held the conference in bali.
wasn't a vacation by any means.
they really care.
rush's show said that bali can hold about 11 planes for parking at it's airport,
they had to drop off everyone and fly away till the show was over then do it all over again.
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| GoophyDog wrote: | Only one thing disturbing that I find. We're increasingly using the acronym "GW" to indicate Global Warming. Where this trend started I don't know but I'm hoping everyone realizes it has NOTHING to do with our current president who's nickname for years has been GW to distinguish him from his father.
While probably not intentional (hmmm, maybe?), this association falls into line with current nutroot ideology of this administration being at fault for all the Global Warming and GW as the head of all that is evil. |
Hi there, GoophyDog
We (in Aus) call it AGW, because its proponents claim that humanity is to blame for so-called global warming. Although, since they can't argue against the fact that the earth hasn't warmed since 1998, they've switched to "climate change" (don't get me started on that one). Hence we use AGW - anthropogenic global warming.
If they didn't blame human activity, then they'd have no basis from which to penalise, through "carbon trading" scams, the democratic (rich) countries in favour of the undemocratic (poor) countries. No doubt the UN will cream off its cut somewhere in there. How supposedly intelligent people fall for it escapes me. Well, maybe not. I do have some developing theories on that.
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| SandiM wrote: | | The left media and academia have swallowed this whole global warming/climate change nonsense whole because it suits their agenda, too. They have not yet learned to be careful what they wish for. Feeding the alligator will not stop it from eating them regardless, first chance it gets. |
I don't buy into a notion that they have "swallowed" anything. They are, in fact, part and parcel to both the conception and implementation of this global attack on capitalism and its most successful practitioner. |
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Me#1You#10
Ummhhh...
Perhaps we're viewing from the perspective of your (USA) media versus mine (Aus).
From my perspective:
TV: We have two government-funded national broadcasters here - ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) and SBS (no idea what that stands for - except to say that it was set up to provide foreign language programs - the multi-culti set). Both are blatantly, unashamedly, L-E-F-T! Definitely running an agenda.
Generally the rest of the (TV) channels also favour the l-e-f-t or, at the very least, follow the prevailing dogma - global warming, multiculturalism, Islam etc. I believe this is because they simply pick up the "feeds from the wires" - AP, Reuters, CNN, Sky etc - without spending so much as one minute checking out what they are being fed. They just run with whatever comes down the wire. I truly do not believe that the run-of-the-mill news reader or reporter here has any personal agenda. I think they are just dumb. And lazy.
Newspapers: There some opinion writers/columnists who clearly run an agenda.
Thankfully, we have several brilliant conservative columnists, some of whom also run a blog (any surprise that I'm a contributor?)
Since the election of the Rudd government, the looney lefties are calling for the newspapers that employ the conservative columnists to "clean house" - get rid of them. In other words, silence dissent. Well, gee. These are the same people who screamed incessantly that the Howard government "silenced dissent" but never could say how, when, where, because the fact that they were publishing their whining simultaneously defeated their argument. Are they stupid? - or do they just think we are?
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SandiM wrote
| Quote: | | If they didn't blame human activity, then they'd have no basis from which to penalise, through "carbon trading" scams, the democratic (rich) countries in favour of the undemocratic (poor) countries. No doubt the UN will cream off its cut somewhere in there. |
Tis all about big $$$.
Reminded me of this story I bookmarked a while back. Judi McLeod (one of my favorites) exposes the birth of this great scam with Maurice Strong, a very shady socialist, who teamed up with Algore while he was still
Vice-President and used the DOE Budget to fund his scams: Canada Free Press
| Quote: | Strong is the silent partner, a man whose name often draws a blank in the Washington cocktail circuit. Even though a former Secretary General of the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (the much hyped Rio Earth Summit) and Under-Secretary General of the United Nations in the days of a beleaguered Kofi Annan, the Canadian born Strong is little known in the Unites States. That's because he spends most of his time in China where he works to make the communist country the world's next superpower. The nondescript Strong, nonetheless is big cheese in the world of climate change, and is one of the main architects of the coming-your-way-soon Kyoto Protocol.
Gore is the glitzy, media approved front man in the partnership, the flashing neon lights on the global stage warning the masses of the end of Earth, as we know it, and Hollywood's poster boy for greening the silver screen. ....(cont'd) |
And this great article at Human Events exposing just how big the scam really is. Note how many of Algore's former aides and friends are in place to benefit.
The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore's Carbon Crusade
The game is to make all things compulsory and the threatened mandates
have big corporations lining up for their 'carbon credits'.
UNBELIEVABLE!!
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SandiM
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Thanks for that link, shawa. It makes for very interesting reading.
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