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Theresa Alwood
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: John McCain or Mitt Romney |
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This is a hard election for me. Where are all the real conservatives? Other than Duncan and Thompson and now that Duncan is out and looks like my man Fred will soon be. It is truly a sad day for those of us who are conservative. I do like Mitt Romney and I even like Rudy Giuliani. I just do not like John McCain at ALL.  I truly thought that John McCain was done....sad to see his butt still around. I complain about the conservative base who say they will not vote if Rudy gets the nomination...but I would vote for Rudy over John McCain any day of the week but I wonder what will happen if McCain gets it. Can I actually vote for democrat who calls himself a republican? I just don't know if I can do it. I think I could vote for Ron Paul over McCain and that is a sad day because I think Ron Paul is an idiot...but I think McCain would be my worse nightmare (other than Hillary or Obama....and I not sure if I depise John McCain more than those two).
I sure do hope that Michael Bloomburg keeps his ugly ole self in NYC...we don't want him.
I would be almost tempted to not even vote in this election if McCain get the nomination. I do hope the GOP will wake up and choose Mitt Romney over McCain.
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Me#1You#10
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What's scary to me is that should McCain get the nomination (which I STILL doubt), I guess I become a RINO    |
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dusty
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Not that I'd vote for him but look for Ron Paul to start a bid as an Independent any day now.
The election choices this year are shaping up in the worst way I could imagine. Almost anyone but McCain......please.
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shawa
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Interesting analysis from Jay Cost
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What we thus have in the Republican Party is the makings of a plurality coalition in which a prominent portion - namely, strong conservatives - is not fully a part. McCain has managed to win twice even though he has not won over strong conservatives. Can this continue? I am not sure - though I surely think South Carolina's confirmation of the New Hampshire vote strengthens his hand.
It will be interesting to see how high-profile conservative leaders react. I am sure they will not take this victory as the end of the race. They can hang their hats on this: if there had been a single "conservative" candidate in South Carolina, he might have defeated McCain. There was a split between McCain, Huckabee, Romney, and Thompson among "very conservative" voters. If there had been just a single "conservative" candidate to oppose him - McCain might have lost |
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Anker-Klanker
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Just my rambling thoughts on the subject for whatever they might be worth...
If anyone thinks that Ron Paul is not the worst of the pack (Democrat or Republican), let me educate you privately. Unfortunately, I've been forced to follow Ron Paul's career for over 15 years (long story), and there is still an awful lot that people don't know about him - all bad.
I don't care for McCain either, but he's still better than any of the Democratic alternatives.
For a hopeful message, there are still too many Republican candidates in the hunt. When the field finally collapses down to just one or two, the key question is where will all the supporters of the "losers" go? I really have difficulty thinking that Hunter, Thompson, Guilliani, etc. (all of whom are out or appear to be on their way out) will support McCain over Romney. And there are lots of votes in those blocks (if they don't decide to sit it out - cutting off their noses to spite their faces).
The big news this election cycle seems to be - if anyone's honest - how the "Conservative" cachet and ideology is not winning voters (to date, anyway). The answer to that riddle is what Republicans (and especially "conservatives) should be worried about. |
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Alan Keyes is running for president and I wouldn't mind seeing him win, yet it appears he is completely off the radar. I have the flu and feel like crap right now. Depressed about the state of the republican party as well. An enema is in order. Not for me, but the party.
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1991932
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I've been wanting to post a general comment for a long time, and this seems as good a place as any.
This is my favorite website. You can get unvarnished political talk, probably the most serious available. I attribute this to the tight ship that the mods run. Thanks, and keep enforcing the standards  . I spend a lot more time on Free Republic, but usually come away completely drained, with a slight headache!
As a native of Massachusetts, I've seen a lot of favorite-son Presidential candidates come down the pike.
I did not trust John F. Kennedy in 1960. Today, if he were to be reincarnated, I would probably find him acceptable. He would be unchanged by 45 years of political drift.
Michael Dukakis would've been a disaster, and the country was wise to reject him.
My junior senator, and the raison d'etre for this site (JF'nK), is a fraud. He got too close to the White House. Our judgment as an electorate slipped in 2004.
The current Massachusetts hopeful, Mitt Romney, is a good man and an excellent administrator. He's the best national candidate to put in charge of a 3 trillion dollar business.
Re: the rest of the candidates running for President.
John McCain would make the best Commander in Chief, hands down. He's been a disaster on a couple of other issues, thus making for an interesting race on the Republican side.
IMHO, Fred Thompson is the best overall candidate. Unfortunately, conservatism and chastity are both regarded as outdated, quaint notions these days.
If you want to make me smile, ask me about any of the Democrats: Pant Suit, Empty Suit or $3000 Suit. You decide.
So I return to the premise of that very famous and expensive book Unfit For Command (the remaining copy in my library has cost me several hundred dollars, at least). In the 2008 election, some candidates would be acceptable as CIC, many are unknown quantities, and a few are just plain unacceptable. As a concerned citizen, I'll keep returning to the Swift Boat site for reasonable discussion of this issue.
Admin note: Thank you for your kind remarks 199...we appreciate it.
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shawa
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Me#1 said: | Quote: | | What's scary to me is that should McCain get the nomination (which I STILL doubt), I guess I become a RINO |
I was just reading Henry Holzer's very good review of "To Set The Record Straight" which reminded me of another
reason I could never support McCain:
| Quote: | Now, Bud Day was at McCain’s Washington office, asking his old friend to tone down his criticism of the Swift Vets. Day pointed out, as had Admiral Roy Hoffmann, that the Swifties were witnesses to what Kerry had done in Vietnam, but Kerry was not.” (My emphasis.) (The source for this statement, another POW, is unimpeachable.)
Yes, the man who today would be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, John S. McCain, III, stood up for Fake Warrior (and Senate colleague) John Kerry against the overwhelming evidence that his atrocity stories were damaging lies, eclipsed only by his fraudulent self-created tales of heroism in Vietnam.
Were the full story of McCain’s attempt to undermine the Swifties and bolster the faker Kerry known in detail today, perhaps he would not be doing so well in some of the Republican primaries.
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That, and his buddying with JKerry to destroy the hope of the families of POW's and MIA's just leaves me in a cold fury re McCain.
I can only pray that Romney or even Giuliani gets the nomination.
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent read shawa...thanks for the link.
There is a litany of reasons for dissatisfaction with McCain's politics and we all have our own particular ordered lists.
Right at the top of mine was his knee-jerk, uninformed dismissal and insult to the SVPT...and I have not given up hope that an apology from him in that regard won't, someday, be tendered.
P.S. See Redstate for a discussion of George Will's recent musings on McCain's political pedigree. |
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | Excellent read shawa...thanks for the link.
There is a litany of reasons for dissatisfaction with McCain's politics and we all have our own particular ordered lists.
Right at the top of mine was his knee-jerk, uninformed dismissal and insult to the SVPT...and I have not given up hope that an apology from him in that regard won't, someday, be tendered.
P.S. See Redstate for a discussion of George Will's recent musings on McCain's political pedigree. |
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Me#1You#10
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shawa
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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If it comes down to it I will vote for whoever can stop McCain.
This author is backing Giuliani, and if Romney proves unelectable I am prepared to hold my nose and give Rudy my vote.
I spoke of my fury at McCain for teaming with Kerry against the SVPT, but that's personal because I love all of you Swifties. But I really fear McCain because he is so wrong-headed on key issues that will affect our economy, our freedoms, and our way of life.
| Quote: | Who Will Stop McCain?
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But that raises another, far more important question: if John McCain saves Republicans, who will save Republicans from John McCain?
The voters who support McCain over Giuliani are making a dangerously short-sighted trade. McCain is a suicidal choice for Republicans, because on every issue other than the war, he stands for capitulation to the left.
There are three big domestic issues that will be decided by the 2008 election: socialized medicine, higher taxes, and global warming regulations. The Democrats are in favor of all three--and John McCain won't stop them.
On health care, McCain has attacked pharmaceutical companies as "bad guys" who are using corrupt political influence to profit at the expense of the little guy--campaign rhetoric borrowed straight from one of John Edwards's "two Americas" tirades. McCain uses this rhetoric to support the re-importation of prescription drugs from Canada. The drugs are cheaper in Canada, but that's because Canada has a system of socialized medicine that imposes price controls. So importing drugs from Canada is just an indirect way of importing socialist price controls.
But every student of economics knows that price controls tend to choke off the supply of new drugs. Why should pharmaceutical companies invest billions of dollars in research and testing over a period of decades, if the government is going to steal their profits by dictating arbitrary prices?
Apparently, John McCain doesn't understand free-market economics and won't stand up for the principle of economic freedom. So how is he supposed to stand up to the Democrats on any part of their socialized medicine agenda?
In addition to fighting the Democrats on socialized medicine, a Republican president would also have to fight in Congress for the extension of President Bush's tax cuts, which are set to begin expiring in 2009 and 2010. A failure to extend these tax cuts (or to make them permanent) would mean a massive de facto tax increase. Yet McCain was opposed to the Bush tax cuts when they were first passed.
But the biggest problem for Republicans with McCain's candidacy is his stance on global warming. McCain has been an active promoter of the global warming hysteria--for which he has been lauded by radical environmentalists--and he is a co-sponsor of a leftist scheme for energy rationing. The McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act would impose an arbitrary cap on America's main sources of energy production, to be enforced by a huge network of federal taxes and regulations.
The irony is that McCain won in South Carolina among voters whose top concern is the economy. Don't these voters realize what a whole new regime of energy taxes and regulations would do to the economy?
No matter what happens, there is likely to be a huge debate in the coming years over global warming--whether it's really happening, whether it's actually caused by human beings, and what to do about it. But if the Republicans nominate McCain, that political debate will be over, and Al Gore and the left will have won it--thanks to John McCain.
And speaking of political debate, McCain is against it. The most notorious piece of legislation McCain has co-sponsored with the left is McCain-Feingold, which has the evil distinction of being the nation's first direct attack on the freedom of political speech during an election campaign, precisely when such speech is most important.
For Republicans, there is one form of suicide worse than losing the 2008 presidential election--and that is winning it with a candidate who will put the pro-welfare-state, pro-regulation left in the driver's seat of American politics. Yet that is precisely what Republican primary voters are unwittingly supporting when they vote for McCain.
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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OUCH! That was painful to read. 
Assuming, for the sake of argument, McCain gets the nom and actually wins the election, would his coattails be big enough to regain control of the house and/or senate?
Hopefully there'd be enough backbone remaining in the legislative branch to compensate for McCain's shortcomings. |
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Theresa Alwood
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Now that Fred Thompson has said he is no longer in the bid...I will shift my vote for Mitt Rommey. I guess the next big question is if Ron Paul will run as an independent and take some votes away from Mitt Romney. But I do have some democrats who are Obama supporters and do say that if Hillary gets the nomination they would vote republican  So go Hillary go..LOL
I still can not believe that McCain is considered a front runner for republicans....how disappointing that concept is. I consider John McCain as a democrat more than I ever has had a republican.
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Stevie
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I love this site also. it's my favorite. I read / post on another one more often... but when I'm depressed, ticked off (at politics), frustrated with the liberals on the other board etc... I come here for some sound reasoning and a good grounding! and honesty without nastiness. So much nastiness on my other board. It's just so sad that people feel they have to be like that.
My heart almost broke awhile back when I tried to pull up this site and couldn't get to it.... I was in a panic for several days. felt like one of my life lines had sunk.
I'm really in a pickle about McCain - i don't like him. I've lived in AZ for about 20 yrs now... still don't like him. I still remember Chief's 'letter' on this board about McCain w/ Kerry on the POW commission... it turns my stomach.
but then, the clinton's do also. I liked Romney until the thing about Jesus and Satan being brothers. My mormon friends say they believe that... I went to the Mormon website and it says they believe that... but the 'spokes person' came out and said they don't. And Romney just went with that. He didn't say what HE believed or what the church believed. He just let the 'spokes person's' denial stand. That took him off of my acceptable list.
I knew they believed that and it didn't matter to me as much as his silence on it did.
I even vote for Rudy - but it isn't looking good for him either.
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