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shawa
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 Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: "Conduct in the Presence of the Enemy" |
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Wesley Clark is such a pathetic tool!!
I may not be a big fan of John McCain, but DON'T belittle his grit as a POW!!
Great Commentary at
In From The Cold
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To our knowledge, General Clark has never apologized for that meeting--or his feckless conduct. And, quite predictably, Clark's friends in the MSM have never called him on it.
As for Clark's critique of Senator McCain, it's downright laughable. Too bad Bob Schieffer didn't ask him why Barack Obama's years as a "community organizer" and Illinois State Senator made him more qualified than John McCain to lead our nation's military. Seems that Clark's candidate is the one lacking executive experience.
But, it's about what you'd expect from General Clark--and his friends in the Democratic Party. They are determined to "Swift Boat" John McCain at any cost, using any convenient surrogate.
Still, there are a couple of problems with that approach. First, the "Swift-Boating" of John Kerry was based in truth, thanks to the candidate's own distortions and exaggerations of his Vietnam record. An exhaustive examination of McCain's military service has not revealed similar discrepancies.
Secondly, the Swift Boat veterans who questioned John Kerry had credibility--they served alongside him, in the same small boat unit. General Clark has no combat experience as a fighter pilot, and lost much of his credibility a long time ago.
About the same time he posed in that infamous photo, wearing Ratko Mladic's hat.
Say what you will about his "executive experience." At least John McCain knows how to handle himself in the presence of the enemy. |
note: Topic amended to reflect author's title. Please restrict personal commentary to the body of your posts. Thanks/me#1
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LewWaters
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Wesley Clark has forgotten is own words;
| Quote: | "I live by a simple rule. If you wore the uniform, if you served your nation with honor, and especially if you fought and were wounded in battle, then you have earned the right to be treated with respect."
"That's why I am so outraged that the Republican party has systematically attacked the wartime service and patriotism of veterans who are running for office as Democrats. It is despicable -- the sign of a party more concerned about hanging onto power by any means possible than with giving veterans the respect they have earned." |
Gen Wesley Clark (Ret) securingamerica.com/node/1731 (add the http:// in front to copy and paste to Clark's own web site for the quote)
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Clark may be pandering for a VP slot. Somewhere deep inside this man is a darkness that is palpable. That he has elected to seek some rehabilitation for the disaster that marked the end of his career by groveling to anti-military leftists is sad indeed. |
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TEWSPilot
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Pete Hegseth of Vets For Freedom takes Gen. Clark to task...
| Quote: | Vets For Freedom Letter to General Wesley Clark
On behalf of Vets for Freedom—and thousands of veterans and troops still serving—we suggest you apologize to Sen. McCain for your comments. We also advise you apologize to generations of veterans who served country—in wartime and peacetime. We will be watching to see if the professionalism you showed once while in uniform will finally shine through in your new-found political role.
Dear General Clark,
Yesterday you appeared on CBS “Face the Nation” and made strong statements regarding Senator John McCain and his military service. Amongst other things, you claimed Sen. McCain “hasn’t held executive responsibility” and you criticized him because he didn’t command a “wartime [Navy] Squadron.”
You then claimed, in reference to war, that Sen. McCain “hasn’t been there and ordered the bombs to fall” and concluded your political hatchet job with “I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.” Even the show’s host, Bob Schieffer, let out a puzzled “really?” at the conclusion of your assertions.
Frankly General, you should know better. As a previous Commander of U.S. troops in harm’s way, you should take serious pause in disparaging the service record of a fellow decorated veteran. Even worse, your arrogant and careless words undercut the credibility of all those who served and continue to serve, in wartime and peacetime.
First of all, Sen. McCain’s service record is clear. After volunteering for a combat assignment in Vietnam, Sen. McCain was shot down during his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam and spent 5 ½ years as a Prisoner of War, enduring physical torture and repeatedly turning down preferential treatment and early release. For his service, he received seventeen decorations, including the Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Most Americans would have ended their military career there, but Sen. McCain continued his service and eventually become the commanding officer of the largest squadron in the U.S. Navy. He turned an undisciplined and untrained squadron into one of the Navy’s best, earning the unit a Meritorious Unit Commendation.
So, let’s review your statements and check them against reality:
Senator McCain “hasn’t held executive responsibility.”
FACT: McCain commanded, and revitalized, the largest squadron in the U.S. Navy.
Senator McCain’s military leadership doesn’t count, because it wasn’t a “wartime Squadron.”
FACT: McCain volunteered to serve in Vietnam and upon his return, endured months of physical rehabilitation in order to continue his military career and command a squadron.
Senator McCain “hasn’t been there [war] and ordered the bombs to fall”
FACT: McCain flew twenty-three combat missions in Vietnam in order to drop bombs on the enemy. He was also “there” for 5 ½ years as a Prisoner of War.
“I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.”
FACT: If serving your country, volunteering for combat, resisting the enemy, and receiving seventeen decorations for service does count for anything, then why are you on television, speaking as an “expert” on national security matters? Your personal attacks came not from a General with respect for the uniform, but from a political operative dispatched to attack the military background of a political adversary.
On behalf of Vets for Freedom — and thousands of veterans and troops still serving — we urge you to apologize to Sen. McCain for your comments. We also urge you to apologize to generations of veterans who served our country in uniform. Service matters—anytime, anywhere. We await and appreciate your response.
Even the candidate you represent has said repeatedly that “[Sen. McCain] deserves admiration for his service to our country.” We will be watching to see if the professionalism you showed once while in uniform will finally shine through in your new-found political role.
Regards,
Pete Hegseth
Chairman, Vets for Freedom
Iraq war veteran
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Anker-Klanker
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I think "our side" should not react to this at all. In what has to be one of the most ironic blunders of recent political history, Wesley Clark constructed one of the best (for us) comparisons of the two candidates.
Who can hear or read what he said without asking the question: "And what has your candidate done?" |
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: Very Disgusting Lowlife Tactics |
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There is a disturbing pattern emerging from this new tactic being employed by Obama surrogates. I've heard a number of "so called 'veterans'" calling talk shows today claiming "they served in the military" but they don't consider themselves "heroes". Most also use the Democrat talking points and state that getting shot down flying a fighter (it was actually a fighter-bomber, we called it doing "air to mud" sorties) doesn't make one a "hero" or qualify one to be President.
Do you see what they are trying to imply? Military service isn't to be respected or honored, McCain was an incompetent to get shot down, military service is no more noble than being a "community activist" or an anti-war activist, and in fact, it is probably lower on the "service to mankind" ladder because those other activities don't kill innocent women and children and do good for society...get the idea? How low can the Leftist go in destroying every institution and activity worthy of respect and replacing them with their anti-American rhetoric and agenda? |
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