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Me#1You#10
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| Quote: | | Voter fraud is a felony in Ohio, punishable by up to a year in jail. |
These amoral, too-clever-by-half slugs need to be made an example of. |
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TEWSPilot
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| Don't look for anything to happen to them. The U.S. Supreme Court wasn't interested in forcing Ohio to vet voters or even comply with Ohio law, and the new Supreme Court that Obama will build will probably make registration via ACORN mandatory. |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| TEWSPilot wrote: | | Don't look for anything to happen to them. The U.S. Supreme Court wasn't interested in forcing Ohio to vet voters or even comply with Ohio law, and the new Supreme Court that Obama will build will probably make registration via ACORN mandatory. |
That is not correct. The Supreme Court said that the lower US Court of Appeals had no jurisdiction in the case, and that the case was a state issue, that should have been filed in a state court.
There was further comment concerning the federal law passed under the current President bush about voter suppression, but the main thrust of the Supremes was jurisdiction.
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TEWSPilot
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| Thanks for the correction. Apparently the Republican Party had no standing to bring the case, but it won't matter if parties with standing bring it up through the state courts to the Ohio Supreme Court...the result will be the same. Nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of Democrats stealing this election....NOTHING. |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| TEWSPilot wrote: | | Thanks for the correction. Apparently the Republican Party had no standing to bring the case, but it won't matter if parties with standing bring it up through the state courts to the Ohio Supreme Court...the result will be the same. Nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of Democrats stealing this election....NOTHING. |
If time allowed, it could get back to the Supreme Court, but it would have to start at the state level first. The Republicans have standing alright, as the Ohio Secretary is violating Ohio state law.
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TEWSPilot
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Look for justice on this issue as soon as
I've heard that as many as 1/3 of the voters have or will have voted by Nov 4. Who is going to go back and flush (a little "Joe the Plumber" lingo) all the illegal votes out of the system? |
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zinfella
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Agreed.
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The best article on the Supreme Court "non-decision" regarding voter fraud in Ohio I have seen yet. Read the entire article and see if you don't agree. Funny, the SCOTUS seems to find all kinds of "rights" in the Constitution that aren't there (even rights for illegal combatants captured on a battlefield halfway around the world), but it can't seem to find a rotten, stinking ACORN right under its nose. Why was the ultra-leftist Stevens allowed to handle this one? Doesn't the Chief Justice realize how important this issue is, especially given what happened in 2000 in Florida...and in a few other instances since then? Who's running the store?
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The Supremes vote against the republic
by Ellis Washington
Posted: October 22, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
The Act [Help America Vote Act] helps to ensure that those votes count, or to put it another way, the Act helps to ensure that those votes are not diluted by guarding against voter fraud. The one goal complements the other: Enabling the casting of one vote does little good if another voter fraudulently cancels it out.
~ U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, 9-5 en banc decision
Last Friday, the Supreme Court of the U.S. (SCOTUS) on SCOTUSblog.com published an article, "Court blocks Ohio voter match order." In the case of Brunner v. Ohio Republican Party, the Court overruled a federal judge's order that would have mandated Ohio election officials to institute new regulations to authenticate voter registration across the state in the weeks before the Nov. 4 balloting.
The unsigned ("Per Curiam") order, in my humble opinion, was a gutless and shameful attempt by the high court to hide their shame after abrogating their sworn judicial duty to "solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..." and putting this solemn mandate in the hands of a partisan hack.
The order stops an attempt by the Ohio Republican Party to have access to registration information that would allow the GOP and other interested parties to challenge voters' eligibility at polling places.
The state GOP had argued that the Ohio secretary of state (Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat) had neglected her duty, under federal election procedures law, "to provide the lists of voters whose names in a voter registration database do not match data in the state's driver's license files with county election boards."
The GOP argued that the secretary of state had prevented all attempts to forward the non-matching data and integrate it with all the other authenticated voter rolls in Ohio so that local election officials could evaluate these lists for possible voter fraud. Absent this crucial step in the voter authentication process, the state of Ohio could open itself up to a flood of constitutional challenges and lawsuits by literally tens of thousands of voters.
The Supreme Court demurred on the question whether the state official had violated federal election law. Instead, SCOTUS addressed their opinion on the narrow question of jurisdiction: Does federal election law gives a private party – like the state GOP – a right to go to court to enforce those provisions in the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), an act specifically enacted by Congress in 2002 to avoid the voting catastrophe of Florida's 2000 presidential election?
Justice John Paul Stevens, perhaps the most liberal activist justice on the Supreme Court, wasn't satisfied with granting the secretary of state's plea to stay the federal judge's temporary restraining order, but actually vacated it, thus removing any legal obligation spelled out in that order and effectively rendering HAVA a dead letter.
For the few American citizens out there that still give a damn about preserving this democratic republic we call the United States, SCOTUS' ruling on the Ohio voter match order in essence allowed the secretary of state of Ohio, a partisan liberal Democrat, the tyrannical, unchecked power to validate or authenticate over 200,000 questionable voter registrations forms. This despite the fact that the information on the voter forms doesn't match the public records like driver's licenses, lease or mortgage contracts, etc.
Of course, ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), a community-based organization rooted in Marxism, socialism and every Machiavellian stratagem, is at the center of this Ohio voter fraud controversy. ACORN, a group Obama did legal work for and recently contributed over $800,000 to "help get out the vote," is following its Marxist tactics to the letter in Ohio – win the election for Democrats by any means necessary.
This decision by SCOTUS is outrageous and goes to the very foundation of our republic, based on a written Constitution and infused with moral, ethical and legal values out of the common law and Judeo-Christian traditions of intellectual thought.
If an oligarchy of justices on the high court can so cavalierly dispense with direct elections mandated in black letter text of constitutional law without even the pretense of the entire Court taking the time to hear the case or any meaningful dissent from the press, my fellow Americans, it is truly beyond the pale!
If, God forbid, the election should come down to Ohio again as in 2004, then the willful negligence and treachery of SCOTUS will be complete, and America will be plunged into another "constitutional crisis" that our democratic republic may not be able to recover from this time.
Trial attorney Bill Dyer, writing for Hugh Hewitt's Townhall.com blog, made the following prescient remarks about the Ohio voter fraud case:
1) Today's ruling turned on important but esoteric legal principles that don't have much to do with voting rights in general or the situation on the ground in Ohio in particular, and it ought not be interpreted as the Supreme Court either rejecting or accepting the proposition that there's widespread and systematic voting fraud being undertaken there or anywhere else. 2) It does, however, emphasize that the Supreme Court thinks this is an important topic. And most importantly, 3) Congress desperately needs to further reform the voter fraud and voter registration laws to specify who may sue under them, when, how, and for what relief.
What is that sound you hear, dear readers? No, it isn't our two presidential candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, calling a special joint press conference to vociferously criticize SCOTUS for its outrageous opinion against democracy and against the voters of Ohio. That silence you hear in the Brunner v. Ohio Republican Party case is indifference – it is the tragic silence of the lambs.
As we consider the "indifference" of the Supreme Court in the crucial state of Ohio, allow me to end this article with the poignant words of that angel in the flesh, that intellectual giant and Holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel:
The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference, and the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference. |
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Each Justice is assigned to a circuit for these kinds of appeals. Evidently, Stevens is the one for the 6th. I believe Kennedy is the one for the 9th.
In any case, the "assignment" of Stevens to this, or any other case from that circuit, was a foregone conclusion.
I don't like it, either, but I'm just sayin'. |
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